Re: [computer-go] Hall of fame for CGOS

2007-12-15 Thread Don Dailey
Hideki, It was not my intention to disrespect you.I think the word you are looking for is condescending which is when you talk down to someone as a child. If it came across this way I'm sorry.I tried to make it easy to understand because it seems to me that English is not your first

[computer-go] Lisp time

2007-12-15 Thread Isaac Gouy
Stefan Nobis wrote: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ To clarify: I don't really like these non-scientific benchmarks (in many cases I assume no one or only really few people (not including me) really understand what each micro-benchmark is really measuring). [Off Topic] What do you

Re: [computer-go] Lisp time

2007-12-15 Thread Isaac Gouy
--- Stefan Nobis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isaac Gouy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - are you thinking of specific methodological objections? Yes, quite some methodological objections. To be fair: I'm no expert in this field and I haven't looked on the site for quite some time. Thank you

Re: [computer-go] Lisp time

2007-12-15 Thread Darren Cook
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ To clarify: I don't really like these non-scientific benchmarks (in many cases I assume no one or only really few people (not including me) really understand what each micro-benchmark is really measuring). I posted the link to the Shoot-out site as it

[computer-go] RE: several million nodes

2007-12-15 Thread David Fotland
When MF evaluates a position it does local tactical search to see if blocks of stones can be captured. It does this for every block with 3 or fewer liberties, and for points at the diagonals of eyes, and to see if connections are solid by trying to cut and doing a search to see if the cutting

Re: [computer-go] Lisp time

2007-12-15 Thread Darren Cook
the OS is constant, they seem to offer benchmarks on 4 different hardware platforms Sorry for the noise. I mis-read the top page: they use two platforms, Gentoo on Pentium 4, and Debian on AMD Sempron. (They are very roughly the same, but java6-server stands out as being considerably quicker on

Re: [computer-go] Hall of fame for CGOS

2007-12-15 Thread Eric Boesch
For what it's worth, Hall of Fame can mean anything from the Baseball Hall of Fame (serious business) to the Mullet Hall of Fame (a total joke). To me this looks like a pretty clear misunderstanding. Don and Hideki have both contributed usefully to the mailing list, and it would be too bad if this

Re: [computer-go] Re: Lisp time

2007-12-15 Thread Heikki Levanto
On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 03:00:02AM +1800, Nick Apperson wrote: In theory, and ONLY in theory, assembly is the fastest programming language. I do agree with most of what you said, but I have to squeeze in a comment that assembly is not necessarily the most optimized way to write code, when

Re: [computer-go] Hall of fame for CGOS

2007-12-15 Thread Hideki Kato
Thank you very much Don. I was very surprised as I couldn't expect such kindful message. Don Dailey: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hideki, It was not my intention to disrespect you.I think the word you are looking for is condescending which is when you talk down to someone as a child. If it came