LeelaBot now has "Ranked Robot" status. It will still need to play some rated games to achieve a rank.
I propose to run the June KGS bot tournament (9x9) in two divisions. One division will be McMahon, with entry restricted to programs that have "Ranked Robot" status *and* are able to beat GNU Go; the other division will be Swiss, without either restriction. If there are fewer than four entrants to either division, I shall merge them into one, Swiss, tournament. If anyone objects to any of this, please let me know soon, before I rewrite http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/rules.html Nick On 10 May 2016 at 17:07, Hideki Kato <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> wrote: > Gian-Carlo Pascutto: <5731dc19.2020...@sjeng.org>: > >On 10-05-16 11:23, Hideki Kato wrote: > > > >> CGOS is better place for those lower programs, isn't it? > > > >Not really, the pool of opponents is smaller and contains no humans. It > >sort of depends on what the goal of the author is. Even if she's only > >interested in measuring vs other computer opponents, a KGS tournament > >*may* offer a bigger pool because there's more incentive to connect at a > >given time. > > The number of games is the most important point to get correct > ratings. It takes several weeks or more on KGS to have enough > (at least several handreds) games. Also, there are several > hardles to get ranked on KGS. Programs have to be stable and no > serious bugs, for examples. > > >> I'm not against creating lower division, just wonder if it's really > >> necessary. Recently it's easier to implement "large patterns" which > >> is necessary to beat GNU Go on 19x19 using DCNN than Remi's B-T model > >> and so most programs could quickly reach GNU Go level. > > > >I think it's up to the author to decide which approach he or she wants > >to pursue. It's not because everyone is making hand-crafted pattern > >databases with elaborate rules for local tactical search, that you can't > >try just playing out games randomly, for example, even if that approach > >seems weak right now. Maybe it turns out to scale better in the long run. > > > >> If this is correct, creating two divisions might be a bad idea. > > > >Not necessarily disagreeing there. > > > >-- > >GCP > >_______________________________________________ > >Computer-go mailing list > >Computer-go@computer-go.org > >http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- > Hideki Kato <mailto:hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -- Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com
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