Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-11 Thread Darren Cook
> https://games.slashdot.org/story/17/01/04/2022236/googles-alphago-ai-secretively-won-more-than-50-straight-games-against-worlds-top-go-players The five Lee Sedol games last year never felt like they were probing Alpha Go's potential weaknesses. E.g. things like whole board semeai, complex whole

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-06 Thread Xavier Combelle
re this work. > >> I can offer Aya, it is not open-source though. Maybe > Ray(strongest open > >> source so far) is better choice. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Hiroshi Yamashita > >> > >> - Original Messa

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-06 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: "Andy" <andy.olsen...@gmail.com> To: "computer-go" <computer-go@computer-go.org> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago What is Ray? Strongest ope

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago (How to get a strong value network)

2017-01-06 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
). Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: "Detlef Schmicker" <d...@physik.de> To: <computer-go@computer-go.org> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago (How to get a strong value network) Hi, this sounds interesting! Al

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-06 Thread daniel rich
I don't know when the progress will stop by this loop. >>> >> But if once strong enough selfplay games are published, everyone can >>> make >>> >> pro level program. >>> >> 30 million is big number. It needs many computers. >>> >&

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-06 Thread Marc Landgraf
I can offer Aya, it is not open-source though. Maybe Ray(strongest open >> >> source so far) is better choice. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Hiroshi Yamashita >> >> >> >> - Original Message - From: <fotl...@smart-game

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-06 Thread daniel rich
n offer Aya, it is not open-source though. Maybe Ray(strongest open > >> source so far) is better choice. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Hiroshi Yamashita > >> > >> - Original Message - From: <fotl...@smart-games.com> > >> T

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-06 Thread Lukas van de Wiel
; >> - Original Message ----- From: <fotl...@smart-games.com> >> To: <computer-go@computer-go.org> >> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 4:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago >> >> >> Competitive with Alpha-go, one developer, not possible

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-06 Thread Andy
.@smart-games.com> > To: <computer-go@computer-go.org> > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago > > > Competitive with Alpha-go, one developer, not possible. I do think it is > possible to make a pro level program with one

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-06 Thread Sebastian Scheib
.@smart-games.com> > To: <computer-go@computer-go.org> > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago > > > Competitive with Alpha-go, one developer, not possible. I do think it is > possible to make a pro level program with one

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago (How to get a strong value network)

2017-01-06 Thread Detlef Schmicker
ough. Maybe Ray(strongest open > source so far) is better choice. > > Thanks, > Hiroshi Yamashita > > - Original Message - From: <fotl...@smart-games.com> > To: <computer-go@computer-go.org> > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 4:50 PM > Subject

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-05 Thread fotland
-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Petrescu Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 10:36 AM To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago As an individual? Probably, yes. On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-05 Thread Yamato
Hello, On 2017/01/06 3:34, Xavier Combelle wrote: >> Honestly I got a little frustrated that many people didn't think that >> was AlphaGo. It was almost clear to me because I know the difficulty of >> developing AlphaGo-like bots. > thanks for this insight, if I understand well developing a bot >

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-05 Thread anoniem
The sheer amount of processing power required is kinda frustrating.. Not able to use my computer for a whole month in order to train knowing it is only 1/100th the training time AlphaGo was trained with.. Yet it is extremely satisfying to see it grow stronger and surpass oneself.. I hope at some

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-05 Thread Xavier Combelle
I mean as a company too, until this point none has succeed Le 05/01/2017 à 19:35, Adrian Petrescu a écrit : > As an individual? Probably, yes. > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Xavier Combelle > > wrote: > > > > Le 05/01/2017 à

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-05 Thread Lukas van de Wiel
It helps a lot if you have to do it as a job, as a paid researcher. I once tried it as a volunteer job for a company I worked for at the time, but we only got the basic infrastructure going, after half a year of work, with two people. We were trying a neural network approach, while everybody said

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-05 Thread Xavier Combelle
Le 05/01/2017 à 02:16, Yamato a écrit : > Yes, it is AlphaGo. I am relieved that DeepMind clarified this. > > Honestly I got a little frustrated that many people didn't think that > was AlphaGo. It was almost clear to me because I know the difficulty of > developing AlphaGo-like bots. thanks for

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-05 Thread terry mcintyre
It's one thing to know the recipe; it's another to have an industrial-size kitchen. Google was able to throw truly gargantuan amounts of computing resources at this problem. A few years back, a researcher - was it  Remi Coulon? - was able to scrounge a few thousand cores for a tournament.

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-05 Thread Stefan Kaitschick
> Honestly I got a little frustrated that many people didn't think that > was AlphaGo. It was almost clear to me because I know the difficulty of > developing AlphaGo-like bots. > I feel with you. People seem to think that the Nature paper gave away the full recipe.

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-04 Thread Yamato
Yes, it is AlphaGo. I am relieved that DeepMind clarified this. Honestly I got a little frustrated that many people didn't think that was AlphaGo. It was almost clear to me because I know the difficulty of developing AlphaGo-like bots. I hope Aja can comment here, also about GodMoves :) Yamato

[Computer-go] it's alphago

2017-01-04 Thread Ray Tayek
https://games.slashdot.org/story/17/01/04/2022236/googles-alphago-ai-secretively-won-more-than-50-straight-games-against-worlds-top-go-players -- Honesty is a very expensive gift. So, don't expect it from cheap people - Warren Buffett http://tayek.com/