Re: [computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

2008-02-03 Thread Don Dailey
The mini study so far ... games against gnugo-3.7.11 PLAYERTIME/GME RATING GAMES WIN% --- - --- Mogo_01 0.10 1002.4189 0.53 Mogo at 64 play-outs Mogo_02 0.14 1197.0156 2.56 Mogo at 128 play-outs Mog

Re: [computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

2008-02-03 Thread Hideki Kato
Don Dailey: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >Rémi, > >After sending this last message to the list I thought of a couple of things. >Just a few >weeks ago I lowered the default rating about 400 ELO.The default rating is >the initial >rating you receive by default. Although I don't know your idea be

Re: [computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

2008-02-03 Thread Don Dailey
Rémi, After sending this last message to the list I thought of a couple of things. Just a few weeks ago I lowered the default rating about 400 ELO.The default rating is the initial rating you receive by default. I didn't believe this would be a problem because if you play someone who h

Re: [computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

2008-02-03 Thread Don Dailey
Rémi Coulom wrote: > I believe the main problem is that the Elo-rating model is wrong for > bots. The phenomenon with Mogo is probably the same as Crazy Stone: if > there are enough strong MC bots playing to shield the top MC programs > from playing against GNU, then they'll get a high rating bec

Re: [computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

2008-02-03 Thread Rémi Coulom
I believe the main problem is that the Elo-rating model is wrong for bots. The phenomenon with Mogo is probably the same as Crazy Stone: if there are enough strong MC bots playing to shield the top MC programs from playing against GNU, then they'll get a high rating because they are efficient a

Re: [computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

2008-02-02 Thread Hideki Kato
Don Dailey: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >But FatMan is still 1800!I wonder if FatMan improved causing the >deflation? :-) FatMan-1 is running as was :). GNU Go's, gnugo-3.7.10-l10F and gnugo-3.7.11-l10F, are also getting lower, though I forgot to mention. They were close to 1800 but now 1739 an

Re: [computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

2008-02-02 Thread Yamato
Don Dailey wrote: >But FatMan is still 1800!I wonder if FatMan improved causing the >deflation? :-) Don, why don't you use MoGo as the second anchor? -- Yamato ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mail

Re: [computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

2008-02-02 Thread elife2008
Oh, how silly I am not understanding Don's humor :-( I think it's since cgos's rating system depends on the opponents you played with and the order of opponents you played with. On 2/3/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Isn't FatMan an anchor and has a fixed 1800 rating? > > On 2/3

Re: [computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

2008-02-02 Thread elife2008
Isn't FatMan an anchor and has a fixed 1800 rating? On 2/3/08, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But FatMan is still 1800!I wonder if FatMan improved causing the > deflation? :-) > > - Don > > > Hideki Kato wrote: > > Hmm, mogo-pr-1core is also getting lower rating these days. It had >

Re: [computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

2008-02-02 Thread Don Dailey
But FatMan is still 1800!I wonder if FatMan improved causing the deflation? :-) - Don Hideki Kato wrote: > Hmm, mogo-pr-1core is also getting lower rating these days. It had > been over 2500, 2525 at max I remember, but is 2476 today. > > -Hideki > > Yamato: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Gi

Re: [computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

2008-02-02 Thread Hideki Kato
Hmm, mogo-pr-1core is also getting lower rating these days. It had been over 2500, 2525 at max I remember, but is 2476 today. -Hideki Yamato: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>I'm not sure what to think about the following: >> >>Leela 0.3.0 vs Leela 0.3.7, 455 game match >>177 v

Re: [computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

2008-02-02 Thread Yamato
Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >I'm not sure what to think about the following: > >Leela 0.3.0 vs Leela 0.3.7, 455 game match >177 vs 278 => +78 ELO points for Leela 0.3.7 > >CGOS rating > >Leela_0.3.0_1CPU 2335 >Leela_0.3.7_2CPU 2333 > >Hmm..but also > >Zen-0.9 2386 >Zen-1.0 2385

[computer-go] CGOS Deflation or Self-Play delusion?

2008-02-02 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
I'm not sure what to think about the following: Leela 0.3.0 vs Leela 0.3.7, 455 game match 177 vs 278 => +78 ELO points for Leela 0.3.7 CGOS rating Leela_0.3.0_1CPU 2335 Leela_0.3.7_2CPU 2333 Hmm..but also Zen-0.9 2386 Zen-1.0 2385 or more: Uct-200801122348 Uct-200801132334