Re: [computer-go] ICGA 2007 MoGo-Steenvreter

2007-06-15 Thread Sylvain Gelly
Hello all, thank you all for all your precise comments. It becomes pretty complicated and technical for me, I'll try to find out everything :). Bye, Sylvain 2007/6/15, Łukasz Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: This is my analysis. It may be flawed but I hope it has some value. It would be very interest

Re: [computer-go] ICGA 2007 MoGo-Steenvreter

2007-06-15 Thread Łukasz Lew
This is my analysis. It may be flawed but I hope it has some value. It would be very interesting to see what mogo "thinks" on those variations. Best Regards, Lukasz On 6/14/07, Sylvain Gelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Sanghyeon, thank you for your comments. > > After white (mogo) H2, M

Re: [computer-go] ICGA 2007 MoGo-Steenvreter

2007-06-15 Thread Sanghyeon Seo
2007/6/15, Magnus Persson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: If this line is correct then it was Steenvreeter that played a bad move at 51, but Mogo failed to take advantage of this subtle mistake and lost with move 52. Now of course this line is not correct either because after 50 black A6 H4! H5 J3 F9 B8! E

Re: [computer-go] ICGA 2007 MoGo-Steenvreter

2007-06-15 Thread Magnus Persson
Quoting s i <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: So I think that white 50 is a losing move. I have another opinion. After 50, F9 A6 A5 C6 B5 D1 C9 B1 E9 A2 D8 A4 C9 C4 Yes, if black plays F9 this looks correct to me. But black can live and win with 0.5 this sequence After 50 A6 C9 F9 E9 J3! J1 H4 B8 C6 Th

Re: [computer-go] ICGA 2007 MoGo-Steenvreter

2007-06-14 Thread s i
>So I think that white 50 is a losing move. I have another opinion. After 50, F9 A6 A5 C6 B5 D1 C9 B1 E9 A2 D8 A4 C9 C4 Sil ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] ICGA 2007 MoGo-Steenvreter

2007-06-14 Thread Sanghyeon Seo
2007/6/14, Darren Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Beyond that, the only thing I've concluded so far (this *is* a complex position) is that white H2 was the only choice at that point. White seems to die quickly in the alternative moves I looked at (G1, H3, B3), and the white chain in the middle is too b

Re: [computer-go] ICGA 2007 MoGo-Steenvreter

2007-06-14 Thread Darren Cook
> The game: > http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/round.php?tournament=169&round=9&id=2 > > Sylvain posted some anaylsis from MoGo side. Following are my comments > (KGS 4k) as I understand the situation: > >> After white (mogo) H2, MoGo was estimating 74%, and expecting: >> H2 G1 H3 B1 A1 B3 H

Re: [computer-go] ICGA 2007 MoGo-Steenvreter

2007-06-14 Thread Sanghyeon Seo
2007/6/14, Sylvain Gelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hello Sanghyeon, thank you for your comments. > > After white (mogo) H2, MoGo was estimating 74%, and expecting: > > H2 G1 H3 B1 A1 B3 H1 F8 B5 H4 > This is far too optimistic. Why would black play H2? :-) Sorry, white played H2. The sequence I gave

Re: [computer-go] ICGA 2007 MoGo-Steenvreter

2007-06-14 Thread Sylvain Gelly
Hello Sanghyeon, thank you for your comments. > After white (mogo) H2, MoGo was estimating 74%, and expecting: > H2 G1 H3 B1 A1 B3 H1 F8 B5 H4 This is far too optimistic. Why would black play H2? :-) Sorry, white played H2. The sequence I gave starts with white move :). Black was expecting to p

[computer-go] ICGA 2007 MoGo-Steenvreter

2007-06-14 Thread Sanghyeon Seo
The game: http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/round.php?tournament=169&round=9&id=2 Sylvain posted some anaylsis from MoGo side. Following are my comments (KGS 4k) as I understand the situation: After white (mogo) H2, MoGo was estimating 74%, and expecting: H2 G1 H3 B1 A1 B3 H1 F8 B5 H4 Thi