[computer-go] Negative result on using MC as a predictor

2009-06-05 Thread Brian Sheppard
In a paper published a while ago, Remi Coulom showed that 64 MC trials (i.e., just random, no tree) was a useful predictor of move quality. In particular, Remi counted how often each point ended up in possession of the side to move. He then measured the probability of being the best move as a

Re: [computer-go] Negative result on using MC as a predictor

2009-06-05 Thread Magnus Persson
Hi Brian! In my tests with Valkyria I have something like a 4-5% improvement in winrate against gnugo using ownership. But I think you need to be much more careful in how you test these things. Testing on CGOS is a no-no for me, because the opposition changes from hour to hour, so unless

Re: [computer-go] Negative result on using MC as a predictor

2009-06-05 Thread Peter Drake
On Jun 5, 2009, at 6:39 AM, Brian Sheppard wrote: In a paper published a while ago, Remi Coulom showed that 64 MC trials (i.e., just random, no tree) was a useful predictor of move quality. In particular, Remi counted how often each point ended up in possession of the side to move. Which

Re: [computer-go] Negative result on using MC as a predictor

2009-06-05 Thread Don Dailey
When I complete the new server, I hope that it will be easier to collect larger samples of games. I think this will help the situation a little. There will be multiple time controls, but they will be in sync, so that your program can always play in a shorter time control game without missing a

Re: [computer-go] Negative result on using MC as a predictor

2009-06-05 Thread dhillismail
: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 9:39 am Subject: [computer-go] Negative result on using MC as a predictor In a paper published a while ago, Remi Coulom showed that 64 MC trials (i.e., just random, no tree) was a useful predictor of move quality. In particular, Remi counted how often each point ended up

[computer-go] Negative result on using MC as a predictor

2009-06-05 Thread Brian Sheppard
Which paper was this? Computing Elo Ratings of Move Patterns in the Game of Go ICGA Journal, Vol. 30, No. 4. (December 2007), pp. 198-208. http://remi.coulom.free.fr/Amsterdam2007/MMGoPatterns.pdf ___ computer-go mailing list

Re: [computer-go] Negative result on using MC as a predictor

2009-06-05 Thread Mark Boon
I've also tried a variety of ways to use point-ownership in combination with RAVE. By no means was it an exhaustive study, but I failed to find an intuitive way to improve play this way. I didn't try enough to be able to come to hard conclusions, but at the very least it didn't turn out to be