RE: [computer-go] rave and patterns

2009-09-21 Thread David Fotland
To: computer-go Subject: Re: [computer-go] rave and patterns On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:06:01PM -0700, David Fotland wrote: Depends on what you mean by basic UCT. I think I had no UCT priors then, just a 1.1 or 1.2 K. The playouts included no self atari, no eye filling, no retake ko, and some

Re: [computer-go] rave and patterns

2009-09-21 Thread Petr Baudis
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 08:18:37AM -0700, David Fotland wrote: In the original Mogo paper it's the initial value for the children, rather than try every child once. Ah, you mean the First Play Urgency! Thanks, I will try that. Anyway, I'm happier; after fixing many bugs and improving my

Re: [computer-go] rave and patterns

2009-09-20 Thread Petr Baudis
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 08:49:15AM -0700, David Fotland wrote: Simple playouts with no eye fills and mogo 3x3 patterns and basic uct beat Gnugo 40% (at version 120) ..snip.. All win rates are on 9x9 vs gnugo 3.7.20 level 10 with 5000 playouts. After this I switched to testing 19x19, and

[computer-go] rave and patterns

2009-09-17 Thread Brian Sheppard
Olivier and David both: a huge thank you for sharing your secrets. I think David makes clear that his large patterns apply only to the UCT process, and then only after a significant number of trials are reached. I gather that the lifecycle of a node is something like this in MFGO: 1)

RE: [computer-go] rave and patterns

2009-09-17 Thread David Fotland
: computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Brian Sheppard Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:10 AM To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: [computer-go] rave and patterns Olivier and David both: a huge thank you for sharing your secrets

[computer-go] rave and patterns

2009-09-15 Thread David Fotland
I implemented RAVE first. Simple playouts with no eye fills and mogo 3x3 patterns and basic uct beat Gnugo 40% (at version 120) Adding RAVE boosted the win rate to 57% (about 30 more versions of tuning). I was trying to duplicate the mogo results before adding my own stuff, to make sure

Re: [SPAM] [computer-go] rave and patterns

2009-09-15 Thread Olivier Teytaud
Thanks for sharing all this information, David. It would be easy to turn off rave and run some tests to do the win rate. Would take about a day to get significant results. I think RAVE still helps a lot. I agree that it's easy to turn off rave, but I think that for a fair comparison you