Re: [computer-go] symmetry optimizations vs statistics?

2008-09-30 Thread A van Kessel
Perhaps this is also among the well-known material (or something There have been discussions about handling symmetry in the past. See for instance Heikki Levanto's group theoretic hashing paper. For 'classic' (non MC) programs, board-symmetries were not important, except for handling joseki/

Re: [computer-go] symmetry optimizations vs statistics?

2008-09-30 Thread Heikki Levanto
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 04:29:12PM +0200, A van Kessel wrote: There have been discussions about handling symmetry in the past. See for instance Heikki Levanto's group theoretic hashing paper. I'm afraid you must have misattributed that - I don't know much about hashing, less about group theory,

Re: [computer-go] symmetry optimizations vs statistics?

2008-09-30 Thread A van Kessel
Oops I confused you with Antti Huima. No offense... I meant: http://fragrieu.free.fr/zobrist.pdf Sorry, AvK ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] symmetry optimizations vs statistics?

2008-09-30 Thread Claus Reinke
Since statistics play such a vital role in modern Go engines, is there a danger that good old-fashioned low-level optimizations interfere with those statistics? Things like not re-evaluating symmetric positions (boar mirroring/rotation, move transposition, etc.) multiple times interacting