Hi,
The most noticeable case of this is with Mi Yuting's flying dagger joseki.
I'm not familiar with this.
I found Hirofumi Ohashi 6d pro's explanation half year ago in HCCL ML.
The following is a quote.
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Hi David,
You are right that non-determinism and bot blind spots are a source of
problems with Elo ratings. I add randomness to the openings, but it is
still difficult to avoid repeating some patterns. I have just noticed that
the two wins of CrazyStone-81-15po against LZ_286_e6e2_p400 were
@Claude - Oh, sorry, I misread your message, you were also asking about
ladders, not just liberties. In that case, yes! If you outright tell the
neural net as an input whether each ladder works or not (doing a short
tactical search to determine this), or something equivalent to it, then the
net
Hi. Maybe it's a newbie question, but since the ladders are part of the
well defined topology of the goban (as well as the number of current
liberties of each chain of stone), can't feeding those values to the
networks (from the very start of the self teaching course) help with
large shichos
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 3:45 AM Hiroshi Yamashita wrote:
> This kind of joseki is not good for Zero type. Ladder and capturing
> race are intricately combined. In AlphaGo(both version of AlphaGoZero
> and Master) published self-matches, this joseki is rare.
>
Hi Claude - no, generally feeding liberty counts to neural networks doesn't
help as much as one would hope with ladders and sekis and large capturing
races.
The thing that is hard about ladders has nothing to do with liberties - a
trained net is perfectly capable of recognizing the atari, this is
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 8:08 AM Rémi Coulom wrote:
> You are right that non-determinism and bot blind spots are a source of
> problems with Elo ratings. I add randomness to the openings, but it is
> still difficult to avoid repeating some patterns. I have just noticed that
> the two wins of
also frankly not a problem for a rating system to handle.
a rating system shouldn't be tweaked to handle eccentricities of its
players other than the general assumptions of how a game's result is
determined (like, does it allow for "win" and "draw" and "undetermined" or
just "win").
s.
On Fri,
