Re: [computer-go] Positions illustrative of computer stupidity ?
alain Baeckeroot wrote: Le mercredi 22 novembre 2006 20:44, Rémi Coulom a écrit : Hi, Hi Rémi I am in search of Go positions that are easy to understand for humans, and difficult for computers. One incredibly simple example for human, where GNU Go horribly fails. The only move is tengen (center of the board). I don't know if its a simple bug, or a more difficult evaluation problem. It happens even if all databases are disabled (fuseki and joseki). Thanks to Aloril, who tell it to Min-u Kang (my go teacher :) Cheers. Alain. Thanks Alain. Again, this position is very easy for Monte-Carlo programs. Even on 19x19, Crazy-Stone finds tengen rapidly (in about 30s with a single thread on a 3.4GHz PIV, but this varies a lot depending on randomness). Rémi ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
RE: [computer-go] .. if Monte-Carlo programs would play infinitestrong
Shodan players are far, far, from perfect play. Shodan players have a good understanding of most basic concepts, and can solve simple tactical problems during a game, but that's about it. I'm 3 Dan, and almost every move I make is a mistake of some kind. The gap in skill between a shodan and a professional player is huge. David This is something that should not be neglected because shodan players approach perfect play. Will MC development show some kind of ceiling? Who knows, but it certainly could be. Jacques. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] .. if Monte-Carlo programs would play infinitestrong
I assume in Go the difference is also a very large handicap. i think that this has come up before, but at one point someone suggested that top pros are only a few stones' handicap away from perfect play. i think that komi might be the right way to think about this at that level, as handicap stones aren't fine-grained enough. in any case, i think that the difference is probably much larger than just one or two stones. :) s. Sponsored Link $420k for $1,399/mo. Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] .. if Monte-Carlo programs would play infinite strong
At 04:24 AM 11/26/2006, you wrote: This is something that should not be neglected because shodan players approach perfect play ... pm4ji, and i may have the context wrong, but shodan players are about 10 stones from perfect play. if you have a pro review a shodan's game, *many* of his moves are 1) not the best locally, and/or 2) not in the biggest area of the board to play in (globally). thanks --- vice-chair http://ocjug.org/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
