Re: [computer-go] Mega transposition table

2007-01-20 Thread Heikki Levanto
On Fri, Jan 19, 2007 at 10:46:07AM -0500, Don Dailey wrote: On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 12:00 -0200, Mark Boon wrote: What ticked me off with the cuckoo method is apparently it can loop and a rehash is needed. Ouch, that better not happen very often! The whole point is that this cost is

Re: [computer-go] an idea for a new measure of a computer go program's rank.

2007-01-20 Thread Don Dailey
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 15:06 -0500, Don Dailey wrote: Years ago A player in the chess club kept beating me over the head with a non-standard opening move that was difficult to refute. I got sick of this, sat down in the privacy of my own home and didn't get back up until I discovered the

Re: [computer-go] an idea for a new measure of a computer go program's rank.

2007-01-20 Thread dave . devos
- Oorspronkelijk bericht - Van: Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: zaterdag, januari 20, 2007 9:06 pm Onderwerp: Re: [computer-go] an idea for a new measure of a computer go program's rank. Years ago A player in the chess club kept beating me over the head with a

Re: [spam probable] Re: [computer-go] Gnugo vs commercial programs

2007-01-20 Thread Arend Bayer
Hi Sylvain, On 1/10/07, Sylvain Gelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So between the default level (8) and the level 16, there are 7% winning difference at around 50%, which is significant, but do not change by far the results Hiroshi posted. It is far less than 100 ELO right? I did not measure the

Re: [computer-go] an idea for a new measure of a computer go program's rank.

2007-01-20 Thread Don Dailey
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 21:55 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion in Go a game leaves the standard opening book very quickly, usually early in the opening. There are so many ways to play in the opening. If you opponent is trying to manipulate you into his favourite joseki(the taisha

Re: [computer-go] Gnugo vs commercial programs

2007-01-20 Thread Sylvain Gelly
Hello Arend, Unfortunately I don't have the log files anymore. I just remember that it (at least one) was a position with a lot of stones (not a starting position). Sylvain 2007/1/20, Arend Bayer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Sylvain, On 1/10/07, Sylvain Gelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So between

Re: [spam probable] Re: [computer-go] Gnugo vs commercial programs

2007-01-20 Thread Chrilly
I have such games. It was with a expermental version of Suzie, were Suzie played quite aggressive/over optimistic. Gnu-Go calculated very long, but won these games at the end completly When Suzie plays sound and wins or looses only be a small margin, Gnu-Go plays also with level 16 relative

Re: [computer-go] an idea for a new measure of a computer go program's rank.

2007-01-20 Thread Don Dailey
On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 15:34 -0700, Arend Bayer wrote: Hi Don, On 1/20/07, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If what you are saying is true, this is a waste of time. They should not be able to produce better quality moves than what they produce over the board.

Re: [computer-go] an idea for a new measure of a computer go program's rank.

2007-01-20 Thread alain Baeckeroot
Le dimanche 21 janvier 2007 01:23, Don Dailey a écrit : On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 15:34 -0700, Arend Bayer wrote: Hi Don, To put another perspective on it: If I had an hour for every move in a tournament game, I might play good EGF 5d level instead of average EGF 4d. That's a big difference