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From: Giudici Raphaël raphael.giud...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Subject: [gnugo-devel] (GNU) Open source real time Go server
To: gn...@gnu.org
Cc: campai...@fsf.org
Hi,
I contacted the FSF to talk about the possible creation of an open
If you get a team together I'd be willing to help out with
development, technical writing, and design. Would guess or hope that
the server would be written in C or C++.
-Josh
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On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Dave Dyer dd...@real-me.net wrote:
Back up a bit - what's your primary interest ? I can readily believe that
not many near blind play Go on the internet now, but what makes you believe
a properly supportive server would bring them out of the woods, or that
Hi!
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 07:14:59AM +, petri.t.pitka...@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone tried doing pachi/Fuego + GnuGo hybrid slightly in way
Many FAces is done?
If I understood correctly Manyfaces is mostly a plausible move
generator. And serac is widened via the RAVE.
So simplest
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 09:00:44AM +0100, Ben Lambrechts wrote:
At first I tried to get in touch with the dev person behind KGS to
discuss possible modifications to make kgs usable by near blind
people, but he refuses to talk about opening the client, the protocol
or the server. I wanted to
(i) IGS is derivation of NNGS, which is free software (GPLv2)! It has
even seen some slight development in past few years.
I don't think that's correct - NNGS was a functional copy of IGS created
by duplicating the published (telnet based) interfaces. It eventually
was open sourced before it
In message
88fb322c100118q4420480erfaeb5965f0a13...@mail.gmail.com, Ben
Lambrechts benedic...@fedoraproject.org writes
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From: Giudici Raphaël raphael.giud...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Subject: [gnugo-devel] (GNU) Open source real
Hi
Benjamin Teuber from Germany works for IGS to make the official client more
attractive to western players, e.g. he plans to add a kgs-like-review-tool.
You can tell him your wishes (like making igs usable for near blind people) and
if possible he will add them to glgo in the future.
Hi!
BTW, thanks to Ben for forwarding the original mail.
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:02:52PM +0100, Wolfgang Krames wrote:
Benjamin Teuber from Germany works for IGS to make the official client more
attractive to western players, e.g. he plans to add a kgs-like-review-tool.
You can tell
Thanks for the comment.
On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, David Fotland wrote:
I think you can only evaluate static evaluation in the context of a search
and a tournament between programs. You could start with a simple 1-ply
search and play against gnugo. Strength in life and death or predicting pro
computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org wrote on 18-01-2010 11:34:52:
(i) IGS is derivation of NNGS, which is free software (GPLv2)! It has
even seen some slight development in past few years.
I don't think that's correct - NNGS was a functional copy of IGS created
by duplicating the
computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org wrote on 18-01-2010 09:21:43:
Back up a bit - what's your primary interest ? I can readily
believe that not many near blind play Go on the internet now, but
what makes you believe a properly supportive server would bring them
out of the woods, or that
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 05:43:34PM +0100, Adriaan van Kessel wrote:
computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org wrote on 18-01-2010 11:34:52:
(ii) NNGS might be used as possible base of a modern go server. The
obvious advantage is that _right now_ you have something that you can
(in theory)
Le 18/01/2010 à 10:54, Petr Baudis a écrit :
it would be great to share other information like LD
and semeai critical moves; perhaps GNUGo even provides interface to get
these as well.
yes, via gtp
you can easyly see in gogui :-), and maybe more with gnugo tool (regress.pike ?)
Alain
computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org wrote on 18-01-2010 18:16:28:
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 05:43:34PM +0100, Adriaan van Kessel wrote:
computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org wrote on 18-01-2010 11:34:52:
(ii) NNGS might be used as possible base of a modern go server.
The
obvious advantage
If accessibility is the only criterion, a client would do the trick; it would
need an open protocol.
It's been a bit of an inconvenience that KGS does not publish an open-protocol
interface.
As for other things we'd like to see improved, we could build a list. My pet
peeve is the KGS score
Even though KGS is not open, you can still reverse engineer it, right? Why
not create an accessible web interface to KGS?
terry mcintyre wrote:
If accessibility is the only criterion, a client would do the trick;
it would need an open protocol.
It's been a bit of an inconvenience that KGS
If the protocol isn't open, it can be changed. It is believed that wms did just
that to frustrate open-source clients. There may be some justification to his
argument that buggy clients were causing problems with his server.
From: Michael Williams michaelwilliam...@gmail.com
Even though KGS
The SlugGo team is working towards a Fuego/GG hybrid.
But just as our cluster distributed GG added a few new evaluation
functions, we are working on an additional evaluation module for
Fuego. Work had been slow, but we intend complete the addition to
Fuego prior to integrating that into
Has anyone tried doing pachi/Fuego + GnuGo hybrid slightly in way Many
FAces is done?
We have an experimental version that uses knowledge from my old program
Explorer in Fuego.
It gives a bonus in terms of a number of won simulations to moves considered
good by the knowledge.
As shown in
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Petr Baudis pa...@ucw.cz wrote:
(i) IGS is derivation of NNGS, which is free software (GPLv2)! It has
even seen some slight development in past few years.
...
As tempting as it is, I find it unlikely that incremental improvements
on the current crop of
Giudici Raphaël wrote:
I contacted the FSF to talk about the possible creation of an open
source real time Go server backed up by the FSF. According to John
Sullivan, they are interested by such project and advised me to get in
touch with your team.
Perhaps using the GGZ Gaming Zone
In message 4b54a0f7.1090...@gmail.com, Michael Williams
michaelwilliam...@gmail.com writes
Even though KGS is not open, you can still reverse engineer it,
right? Why not create an accessible web interface to KGS?
Obvious answer: because with the next KGS server upgrade, your client
would
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:57:11PM -0500, Michael Williams wrote:
Even though KGS is not open, you can still reverse engineer it, right?
Why not create an accessible web interface to KGS?
I have been doing that with http://kam.mff.cuni.cz/~pasky/cgoban-h/.
It's a huge amount of work to do _and_
As for other things we'd like to see improved, we could build a list. My pet
peeve is the KGS score estimator, which is often wildly wrong.
an SE can't be any smarter than a computer player that runs in the
amount of time that you're willing to wait for the SE to calculate*.
so don't expect
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 06:21:40PM -0500, steve uurtamo wrote:
As for other things we'd like to see improved, we could build a list. My pet
peeve is the KGS score estimator, which is often wildly wrong.
an SE can't be any smarter than a computer player that runs in the
amount of time that
Le 18/01/2010 à 18:37, terry mcintyre a écrit :
My pet peeve is the KGS score estimator, which is often wildly wrong.
The best thing to do would be to remove the score estimator which
prevent people from thinking.
I bet there would be much less stupid chat during games whithout it :)
Alain.
When I say the SE is wildly off, I'm not referring to positions which only a
pro could evaluate but positions which a double-digit kyu player could
correctly evaluate.
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Your point is obvious but that's a horrible proof since there are usually more
than one legal moves from which to chose (that means it takes more time).
steve uurtamo wrote:
As for other things we'd like to see improved, we could build a list. My pet
peeve is the KGS score estimator, which is
I've tried that idea, using GNU Go as a candidate move generator, a
few years ago but no success though it's not an exhaustive
evaluation.
The code (for Linux) is available at my web http://www.gggo.jp.
That feature is #if'ed by USE_ORACLE in the source code of GGMC Go
or Fudo Go.
#GG here
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