[Computer-go] tsume-go perception experiment

[djhbrown .]

Dear G and B,

thank you and Haylee for participating.

i have produced a preliminary video of the experiment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVMYMYM7kEM=11=PL4y5WtsvtduqNW0AKlSsOdea3Hl1X_v-S

​i hope you don't mind being presented as a computer-generated voice :)

Please advise whether the cartoon images i derived from your narrative
explanations are adequately representative of the mental images you had
when you performed the experiment.

i received 3 replies to my enquiry, with 3 different perceptions, each of
which i regard as equally meritworthy and informative, even if they lead to
3 different conclusions (something i had not expected to happen).I plan
to make a follow-up video which will discuss how your perceptions and those
of Hajin Lee 3P might be automated, *and the findings of a computer program
tsume-go analysis if anyone can provide one using their own program.*

neuroscientists stick electrodes into monkeys' brains and make MRIs of
human ones to discover how the mind sees, but i think verbal protocols [1]
are equally useful even if they do not permit the investigator to see into
the subconscious of the subject, where most of the information processing
in "blink" fast perception [2,3] takes place.​

As [4] notes, "There is empirical evidence that Go masters come up with
the solutions without any discursive thinking, their eyes fixate on the
vital point under 300 milliseconds [9]. Some sort high-level pattern
matching is done by the master players  [9] Atsushi Yoshikawa and
Yasuki Saito. Perception in tsumego under 4 seconds time pressure. In
Proceedings of the eighteenth annual conference of the Cognitive Science
Society, page 868, 1996."

1. https://psy.fsu.edu/faculty/ericsson/ericsson.proto.thnk.html
2. Malcolm Gladwell  Blink .
3.  Daniel Khaneman.  Thinking Fast and Thinking Slow

.
4.  Attila Egri-Nagy
http://ami.ektf.hu/uploads/papers/finalpdf/AMI_38_from137to145.pdf
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Re: [Computer-go] gtp question - can black make 2 moves in a row.

[Ray Tayek]

On 9/6/2015 12:03 AM, Hellwig Geisse wrote:

On Sa, 2015-09-05 at 23:51 -0700, Ray Tayek wrote:

i am guessing that the client should make the moves if he gets them.

does anyone know for sure?

 From the GTP specification, page 18, 6.3.3 Core Play Commands:

"play:
[...]
Consecutive moves of the same color are not considered illegal
from the protocol point of view.


thanks for the confirmation.

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[Computer-go] gtp question - can black make 2 moves in a row.

[Ray Tayek]

i am guessing that the client should make the moves if he gets them.

does anyone know for sure?

thanks

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Re: [Computer-go] gtp question - can black make 2 moves in a row.

[Hellwig Geisse]

On Sa, 2015-09-05 at 23:51 -0700, Ray Tayek wrote:
> i am guessing that the client should make the moves if he gets them.
> 
> does anyone know for sure?

From the GTP specification, page 18, 6.3.3 Core Play Commands:

"play:
[...]
Consecutive moves of the same color are not considered illegal
from the protocol point of view."

Hellwig

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[Computer-go] maybe interesting Youtube video

[Minjae Kim]

https://youtu.be/uA9mxq3gneE

He talks about computer-go for a while. So seems on-topic.
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Re: [Computer-go] gtp question - can black make 2 moves in a row.

[Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira]

That is clearly stated in the GTP but should also depend on the program.

There are improvements a computer Go program can make assuming it is 
playing only as one of the players, such as cleaning states from a 
transpositions table that cannot be reached anymore. I'd assume if you 
want to benchmark something it would be better to only have each GTP 
player play one of the colors, unless the authors of said program 
explicitly say it doesn't matter.


On 09/06/2015 08:22 AM, Ray Tayek wrote:

On 9/6/2015 12:03 AM, Hellwig Geisse wrote:

On Sa, 2015-09-05 at 23:51 -0700, Ray Tayek wrote:

i am guessing that the client should make the moves if he gets them.

does anyone know for sure?

 From the GTP specification, page 18, 6.3.3 Core Play Commands:

"play:
[...]
Consecutive moves of the same color are not considered illegal
from the protocol point of view.


thanks for the confirmation.



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Re: [Computer-go] gtp question - can black make 2 moves in a row.

[Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira]

Scratch that I misread.

On 09/06/2015 11:28 AM, Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira wrote:

That is clearly stated in the GTP but should also depend on the program.

There are improvements a computer Go program can make assuming it is 
playing only as one of the players, such as cleaning states from a 
transpositions table that cannot be reached anymore. I'd assume if you 
want to benchmark something it would be better to only have each GTP 
player play one of the colors, unless the authors of said program 
explicitly say it doesn't matter.


On 09/06/2015 08:22 AM, Ray Tayek wrote:

On 9/6/2015 12:03 AM, Hellwig Geisse wrote:

On Sa, 2015-09-05 at 23:51 -0700, Ray Tayek wrote:

i am guessing that the client should make the moves if he gets them.

does anyone know for sure?

 From the GTP specification, page 18, 6.3.3 Core Play Commands:

"play:
[...]
Consecutive moves of the same color are not considered illegal
from the protocol point of view.


thanks for the confirmation.


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Re: [Computer-go] open bank

[Erik van der Werf]

http://www.citeulike.org/group/5884/library
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Re: [Computer-go] Autumn SLOW KGS bot tournament, 19x19

[Nick Wedd]

Reminder - it starts in under eight hours.

Nick

On 29 August 2015 at 15:37, Nick Wedd  wrote:

> The autumn SLOW KGS bot tournament will start on Sunday September 5th
> starting at 22:00 UTC, and ending on Wednesday by 14:00 UTC.  It will use
> 19x19 boards, with time limits of 235 minutes each plus very fast
> Canadian overtime, and komi of 7.5.  There are details at
> http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=985
> .
>
> Please register by emailing me, with the words "KGS Tournament
> Registration" in the email title, at maproom at gmail.com .
>
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