Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league.

2017-08-17 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
(unofficial) Final result can be seen https://twitter.com/UgenNihonkiin/status/898109924604919808 Thanks, Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: ""Ingo Althöfer"" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:08 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [Computer-go] Deep Blue the end, AlphaGo the beginning?

2017-08-17 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 17.08.2017 21:35, Darren Cook wrote: The machine-learning methods AlphaGo uses are applicable to practically anything." They (alone) are not good for guaranteed avoiding of mistakes (as is achieved by theorems), or for guaranteed permanent execution by their software, hardware, power

[Computer-go] Deep Blue the end, AlphaGo the beginning?

2017-08-17 Thread Darren Cook
In New Scientist, 3 June 2017, p.42-43, there is an interview with Kasparov (who has just published a book about his defeat by Deep Blue), where he says "Deep Blue is the end and AlphaGo the beginning", and explains: "I'm sure some things were learned about parallel processing... but the real

Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league.

2017-08-17 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Dear Hiroshi, thank you for the results and the sgf data. Congratulations to Zen team, including Hideki! Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 um 11:12 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] CGI won

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo and Perfect Play

2017-08-17 Thread Petri Pitkanen
Has to be truly far. Even in chess best estimates are that current computers are still few hundred ELO points away from perfect. In chess on can make estimates based what draw rates current best ones would get against perfect play. Loads of guess work but still reasonable. In go difference must

Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league.

2017-08-17 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
Zen won. Final game and semi final "Zen vs FineArt" sgf are, (;GM[1]SZ[19] PB[CGI] PW[DeepZenGo] DT[2017-08-17]RE[W+R]KM[7.5]RU[Chinese] ;B[pq];W[pd];B[cp];W[dd];B[qf];W[nc];B[md];W[mc];B[ql];W[ep] ;B[gq];W[cq];B[jp];W[cn];B[bq];W[dq];B[do];W[bp];B[bo];W[co]

Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league.

2017-08-17 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
Hi Ingo, Zen beated FineArt in semi final. Final is CGI vs Zen. Live is available in FoxGo. Thanks, Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: ""Ingo Althöfer"" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:02 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league.

2017-08-17 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Dear Hiroshi, thank you for our information. Can you please keep us informed about the results from the final tournament? Thank you in advance, Ingo. > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 um 02:59 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff:

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo and Perfect Play

2017-08-17 Thread valkyria
Another way of seeing it: the evaluation of a program that can play perfect would tend to give score close to 100% or 0 %. As far as I know Alphago would stay close to 50% for a long time just like most other programs (but with much higher correlation with the actual outcome of course).