Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league.
(unofficial) Final result can be seen https://twitter.com/UgenNihonkiin/status/898109924604919808 Thanks, Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: ""Ingo Althöfer"" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league. Dear Hiroshi, thank you for the results and the sgf data. Congratulations to Zen team, including Hideki! Cheers, Ingo. ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] Deep Blue the end, AlphaGo the beginning?
On 17.08.2017 21:35, Darren Cook wrote: The machine-learning methods AlphaGo uses are applicable to practically anything." They (alone) are not good for guaranteed avoiding of mistakes (as is achieved by theorems), or for guaranteed permanent execution by their software, hardware, power supply and circumstances of natural forces. They (alone) are not enough for GAI also because many applications need some interface between the machine-learning methods and the domain-specific requirements. They are inapplicable to what is proven to be, or their application can be unpredictable in some sense for what is proven to be non-deterministic. They can pretend to simulate but cannot replace religion, meta-physics, ethics, emotions. However, it may be an open debate whether they can assume self-consciousness some time. If we give them too much power (incl. self-regulated access to physical ressources), they can render extinct mankind. -- robert jasiek ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] Deep Blue the end, AlphaGo the beginning?
In New Scientist, 3 June 2017, p.42-43, there is an interview with Kasparov (who has just published a book about his defeat by Deep Blue), where he says "Deep Blue is the end and AlphaGo the beginning", and explains: "I'm sure some things were learned about parallel processing... but the real science was known by the 1997 rematch... but AlphaGo is an entirely different thing. Deep Blue's chess algorithms were good for playing chess very well. The machine-learning methods AlphaGo uses are applicable to practically anything." Agree or disagree? Darren -- Darren Cook, Software Researcher/Developer My New Book: Practical Machine Learning with H2O: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920053170.do ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
[Computer-go] The 1st World AI Go Open 2017
http://www.intergofed.org/igf-news-feed/2017-citic-securities-cup-the-1st-world-ai-go-open.html -- Honesty is a very expensive gift. So, don't expect it from cheap people - Warren Buffett http://tayek.com/ ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league.
Dear Hiroshi, thank you for the results and the sgf data. Congratulations to Zen team, including Hideki! Cheers, Ingo. > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 um 11:12 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league. > > Zen won. > > Final game and semi final "Zen vs FineArt" sgf are, ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo and Perfect Play
Has to be truly far. Even in chess best estimates are that current computers are still few hundred ELO points away from perfect. In chess on can make estimates based what draw rates current best ones would get against perfect play. Loads of guess work but still reasonable. In go difference must be higher 2017-08-17 8:24 GMT+03:00 Xavier Combelle : > According to what happen in chess and according to the tee size of go game > I would say that astronomically far from perfect play is an astronomical > understatement. > > Le 17 août 2017 07:17, "Cai Gengyang" a écrit : > > Does anyone here know how far AlphaGo is away from perfect play ? > Estimations ? > > GengYang > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league.
Zen won. Final game and semi final "Zen vs FineArt" sgf are, (;GM[1]SZ[19] PB[CGI] PW[DeepZenGo] DT[2017-08-17]RE[W+R]KM[7.5]RU[Chinese] ;B[pq];W[pd];B[cp];W[dd];B[qf];W[nc];B[md];W[mc];B[ql];W[ep] ;B[gq];W[cq];B[jp];W[cn];B[bq];W[dq];B[do];W[bp];B[bo];W[co] ;B[ap];W[dp];B[cm];W[bn];B[bm];W[dn];B[dm];W[an];B[cf];W[fd] ;B[fm];W[oo];B[np];W[no];B[mp];W[ol];B[pj];W[qm];B[rm];W[rn] ;B[qn];W[pm];B[ro];W[rl];B[sn];W[qk];B[qj];W[rj];B[ri];W[nj] ;B[sj];W[rk];B[pk];W[pl];B[nh];W[mo];B[pn];W[on];B[nm];W[nl] ;B[mm];W[po];B[qp];W[oi];B[qh];W[lp];B[om];W[oq];B[km];W[ll] ;B[lm];W[pr];B[qr];W[kq];B[lj];W[mi];B[or];W[qo];B[rn];W[rp] ;B[op];W[ko];B[sl];W[pp];B[qq];W[lk];B[jk];W[in];B[kj];W[lh] ;B[jo];W[jn];B[kn];W[hp];B[kp];W[lo];B[jq];W[nq];B[mq];W[jr] ;B[lq];W[kr];B[nn];W[lr];B[mr];W[ms];B[nr];W[iq];B[mn];W[pi] ;B[qi];W[jl];B[il];W[ik];B[ij];W[hk];B[kl];W[hl];B[fo];W[en] ;B[fn];W[em];B[el];W[fl];B[eo];W[bp];B[hr];W[ir];B[cp];W[io] ;B[ln];W[bp];B[ek];W[cp];B[gl];W[hj];B[fi];W[dg];B[ii];W[hi] ;B[di];W[fp];B[ee];W[de];B[nf];W[ih];B[df];W[ef];B[eg];W[ff] ;B[fg];W[lf];B[kg];W[lg];B[lc];W[ld];B[nd];W[ne];B[gf];W[fe] ;B[le];W[kd];B[od];W[oc];B[ke];W[me];B[oe];W[mf];B[je];W[kc] ;B[of];W[jg];B[lb];W[kb];B[hg];W[if];B[ge];W[ie];B[gd];W[hc] ;B[cc];W[bd];B[bf];W[gc];B[cd];W[dc];B[cb];W[rd];B[qc];W[qd] ;B[db];W[eb];B[pc];W[pb];B[qb];W[ob];B[rb];W[rc];B[sb];W[ra] ;B[re];W[qa];B[jm];W[am];B[bk];W[ak];B[aj];W[bl];B[cl];W[al] ;B[cj];W[dk];B[dj];W[oj];B[ip];W[gp];B[sk];W[ql];B[qe];W[sc] ;B[hq];W[fq];B[fb];W[ea];B[pe];W[sa];B[hd];W[id];B[fc];W[ed] ;B[hm];W[hh];B[ho];W[hn];B[ic];W[ga];B[mj];W[ni];B[jd];W[ib] ;B[ce];W[ec];B[hb];W[gb];B[jb];W[jc];B[fr];W[hs];B[ka];W[ja] ;B[kh];W[kf];B[jh];W[gh];B[gg];W[go];B[gr];W[er]) (;GM[1]SZ[19] PB[FineArt] PW[DeepZenGo] DT[2017-08-17]RE[W+R]KM[7.5]RU[Chinese] ;B[pd];W[dp];B[qp];W[dc];B[fq];W[cn];B[lq];W[pm];B[op];W[qj] ;B[qh];W[kp];B[de];W[kq];B[lp];W[lo];B[ko];W[mo];B[np];W[jo] ;B[kn];W[ip];B[dr];W[cq];B[ep];W[gp];B[do];W[eo];B[co];W[dn] ;B[bp];W[bo];B[cp];W[bq];B[dq];W[ap];B[dp];W[bm];B[hr];W[kl] ;B[ec];W[eb];B[ed];W[fc];B[fb];W[gb];B[db];W[fa];B[cc];W[qf] ;B[pf];W[pe];B[qe];W[oe];B[qd];W[pg];B[rf];W[qg];B[rg];W[ph] ;B[ge];W[od];B[hc];W[rh];B[cj];W[ob];B[pb];W[ej];B[ic];W[cb] ;B[da];W[cd];B[dd];W[bc];B[dc];W[ch];B[bg];W[bh];B[cg];W[dh] ;B[fo];W[en];B[jn];W[in];B[lm];W[ll];B[mm];W[nn];B[jm];W[ik] ;B[jk];W[jl];B[im];W[hn];B[il];W[hk];B[gm];W[fn];B[ml];W[po] ;B[pp];W[lj];B[mj];W[mi];B[mk];W[li];B[pk];W[qk];B[on];W[om] ;B[no];W[mn];B[jj];W[lk];B[gk];W[gj];B[ql];W[ok];B[fk];W[fj] ;B[oj];W[pj];B[ni];W[oi];B[nj];W[nm];B[nh];W[mg];B[pl];W[rl] ;B[of];W[og];B[mh];W[lh];B[lg];W[ng];B[ji];W[jh];B[hj];W[hi] ;B[ij];W[ih];B[hl];W[fl];B[ek];W[dk];B[el];W[fm];B[dj];W[cl] ;B[gn];W[go];B[fp];W[iq];B[bk];W[fh];B[gq];W[hq];B[dl];W[ck] ;B[bl];W[cm];B[ho];W[hp];B[kr];W[jq];B[bj];W[an];B[gi];W[gh] ;B[ii];W[hh];B[ei];W[fi];B[al];W[am];B[ar];W[aq];B[br];W[qm] ;B[oc];W[nc];B[pc];W[aj];B[nd];W[bi];B[ne];W[lf];B[kg];W[kh] ;B[kf];W[ke];B[mf];W[jf];B[le]) Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: ""Ingo Althöfer"" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league. Dear Hiroshi, thank you for our information. Can you please keep us informed about the results from the final tournament? Thank you in advance, Ingo. Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 um 02:59 Uhr Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" An: computer-go@computer-go.org Betreff: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league. Hi, CGI won against FineArt and Zen in preliminary league. https://twitter.com/UgenNihonkiin/status/897771608743399424 Top 8 programs will play today's final tournamet. World AI Go Open https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/6ge1ul/the_1st_world_ai_go_open/ Thanks, Hiroshi Yamashita ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league.
Hi Ingo, Zen beated FineArt in semi final. Final is CGI vs Zen. Live is available in FoxGo. Thanks, Hiroshi Yamashita - Original Message - From: ""Ingo Althöfer"" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league. Dear Hiroshi, thank you for our information. Can you please keep us informed about the results from the final tournament? Thank you in advance, Ingo. Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 um 02:59 Uhr Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" An: computer-go@computer-go.org Betreff: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league. Hi, CGI won against FineArt and Zen in preliminary league. https://twitter.com/UgenNihonkiin/status/897771608743399424 Top 8 programs will play today's final tournamet. World AI Go Open https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/6ge1ul/the_1st_world_ai_go_open/ Thanks, Hiroshi Yamashita ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league.
Dear Hiroshi, thank you for our information. Can you please keep us informed about the results from the final tournament? Thank you in advance, Ingo. > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 um 02:59 Uhr > Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita" > An: computer-go@computer-go.org > Betreff: [Computer-go] CGI won against FineArt in preliminary league. > > Hi, > > CGI won against FineArt and Zen in preliminary league. > https://twitter.com/UgenNihonkiin/status/897771608743399424 > > Top 8 programs will play today's final tournamet. > > World AI Go Open > https://www.reddit.com/r/baduk/comments/6ge1ul/the_1st_world_ai_go_open/ > > Thanks, > Hiroshi Yamashita > > ___ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo and Perfect Play
Another way of seeing it: the evaluation of a program that can play perfect would tend to give score close to 100% or 0 %. As far as I know Alphago would stay close to 50% for a long time just like most other programs (but with much higher correlation with the actual outcome of course). Magnus On 2017-08-17 07:24, Xavier Combelle wrote: According to what happen in chess and according to the tee size of go game I would say that astronomically far from perfect play is an astronomical understatement. Le 17 août 2017 07:17, "Cai Gengyang" a écrit : Does anyone here know how far AlphaGo is away from perfect play ? Estimations ? GengYang ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go [1] Links: -- [1] http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
