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>Best
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>On 2018-03-05 21:12, Hideki Kato wrote:
>> DCNNs are not magic but just non-linear continuous function
>> approximators with finite freedom and we can provide up to
>> 10^8 samples (board positions) in practice.
>&g
t;> this was before combined value+policy nets and much more training data
>> was available. I do not know what the current status would be.
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Do you think deep learning can understand and solve double
ko, for example?
Hideki
Aja Huang:
speed of
the policy network gets 100 or more times faster then we can
use PN directly in rollouts. This may make VN useless.
Go is still hard for both human and computers :).
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>s.
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Hideki Kato <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>Its rating is more unreliable.
>Could you stop them, and run up to two or three bots which has no BayesElo?
>
>Thanks,
>Hiroshi Yamashita
>
>
>On 2018/02/28 17:12, Hideki Kato wrote:
>> Welcome back Remi!
>>
>> On the 19x19 cgos, recently many LeelaZeros a
t other versions of
>itself. It has just won two games in a row against Crazy Stone.
>
>I hope the other strong engines will reconnect, too.
>
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s is greater
than, at least, 10^20). One more reason, there are no
algorithm to solve double ko. This is not so big problem on
19x19 but 9x9.
Best, Hideki
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>On Feb 23, 2018 4:49 PM, "Hideki Kato" <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> wrote:
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>> That's not the p
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Hi,
CLeelaz9Test1 plays pass without clean-up dead stones.
This makes server mis-score and causes wrong result.
Please capture all dead stones before play pass.
Ref. "CGOS Rules of Play" section at
http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/ .
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No, but "standard" 0.5 pts. Zen supports very wide range of
komi; about -20 to +30 (mainly for the users of
Tencho-no-Igo).
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en-no-Ma (except from Japan, Korea
or China).
http://www.wbaduk.com/
Register (free), download installer, and install the client
"WBaduk." Then run WBaduk (on desktop by default) and
choose Japanese server, although I didn't confirm.
Hope this helps,
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e more interesting and exciting to watch
>> because Zen plays seriously :).
>
>Wow.
>
>> BTW, the games between Zen and professionals can be watched
>> any payed members of Nihonkiin.
>
>Thanks for that information.
>Does the server has the opportunity for Engli
usly :).
BTW, the games between Zen and professionals can be watched
any payed members of Nihonkiin.
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>Ingo.
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>PS. When will AlphaGo start giving handicaps against pro players?
In this year, I hope.
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>Ke Jie or FineArt?
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>> Could someone make sgf's of these games available?
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>On 17-11-17 02:15, Hideki Kato wrote:
>> Stephan K:
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tion mixing policy and value heads.
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>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 02:32:29 +0900
>From: Hideki Kato <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp>
>To: computer-go@computer-go.org
>Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Is MCTS needed?
>Message-ID: <5a0dcba9.8060%hi
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ns which intentionally play close games, etc. and some
have shifted to other games including strategic ones and
imperfect info ones.
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Please read _through_ the paper sequentially.
#I don't have enough skill to describe the reason because
it's not a technical but language issue.
Hideki
>I don't understand which element makes you say that
>section 2 and 3 are all for a 20 block instance
>
>
>Le 27/10/2017 E01:
Go, it
>is likely that this will be the last of the series of KGS bot tournaments.
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at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS
>Tournament Registration" in the email title.
>With the falling interest in these events since the advent of AlphaGo, it
>is likely that this will be the last of the series of KGS bot tourna
Xavier Combelle: <62b977d7-d227-a74d-04b7-0d46db6a7...@gmail.com>:
>It is just wild guesses based on reasonable arguments but without
>evidence.
Yes, of course. Due to not enough info provided by Google.
Hideki
>Le 26/10/2017
à 07:51, Hideki Kato a écrit :
>> You can b
>Of what I understand same network architecture imply the same number of
>block
>
>Le 25/10/2017 à 17:58, Xavier Combelle a écrit :
>> I understand better
>>
>>
>> Le 25/10/2017 à 04:28, Hideki Kato a écrit :
>>> Are you thinking the 1st ins
>
>Le 24/10/2017 à 20:20, Hideki Kato a écrit :
>> David Silver told Master used 40 layers network in May.
>> According to new paper, Master used the same architecture
>> as Zero. So, Master used 20 blocks ResNet.
>>
>> The first instance of Zero, 20 b
(a fair comparison) Zero is weaker than
Master.
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tions, such as
>bent 4 in the corner, thousand year ko, rotating ko, etc.
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>it seems that the KGS bot tournament did not start, yet.
>What is the matter?
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>> Gesendet: Samstag, 01. Juli 2017 um 07:11 Uhr
>> Von: "Hideki Kato" <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp>
>> An: computer-go@
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>> Jie Game #1?
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>On 23-05-17 10:51, Hideki Kato wrote:
>> (2) The number of possible positions (input of the value net) in
>> real games is at least 10^30 (10^170 in theory). If the value
>> net can recognize a
y?
>Synthesized by inference from the (much larger than mine) policy network?
Demis Hassabis said in a talk:
After the game with Sedol, the team used "adversarial learning" in
order to fill the holes in policy net (such as the Sedol's winning
move in the game 4).
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>On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Hideki Kato <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp>
>wrote:
>
>> Agree.
>>
>> (1) To solve L, some search is necessary in practice. So, the
>&g
cutto <g...@sjeng.org
>>>>>> > <mailto:g...@sjeng.org>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > ... This heavy pruning
>>>>>> > by the policy network OTOH seems to be an issue for me. My
>>>>>> program has
>>>>>> > big tactical holes.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Do you do any hard pruning? My engines (Steenvreter,Magog) always
>>>>>> had a
>>>>>> > move predictor (a.k.a. policy net), but I never saw the need to do
>>>>>> hard
>>>>>> > pruning. Steenvreter uses the predictions to set priors, and it is
>>>>>> very
>>>>>> > selective, but with infinite simulations eventually all potentially
>>>>>> > relevant moves will get sampled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With infinite simulations everything is easy :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In practice moves with, say, a prior below 0.1% aren't going to get
>>>>>> searched, and I still regularly see positions where they're the
>winning
>>>>>> move, especially with tactics on the board.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Enforcing the search to be wider without losing playing strength
>>>>>> appears
>>>>>> to be hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I think that's fundamental; you can't be wide and deep at the
>>>>> same time, but at least you can chose an algorithm that (eventually)
>>>>> explores all directions.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW I'm a bit surprised that you are still able to find 'big tactical
>>>>> holes' with Leela now playing as 8d KGS
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Erik
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I assume that the page will be updated when the games
>actually start... or are about to.
>
>Yours Faithfully,
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>On 22 May 2017 at 09:07, Hideki Kato <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> wrote:
>
Three hours earlier, DeepMind twitted:
>The Future of Go Summit begins tomorrow. Catch all #AlphaGo17
>matches live from 23-27 May at https://goo.gl/pVjexr
Check https://twitter.com/search?q=%23AlphaGo17 !
Hideki
Hideki Kato: <59228e17.7176%hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp>:
>Probabl
Probably here.
http://events.google.com/alphago2017/
"Below, you can find out the game schedule, watch the games live
or replay the highlights."
Hideki
Joshua Shriver:
//www.gokgs.com/tournEntrants.jsp?sort=s=1113
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-Igo, Mynavi.
This version will be about one stone weaker on a gaming PC
(eight-core Intel with GTX-1080, for example) and two stones or
three weaker on a laptop.
Best,
Hideki
>Regards,
>Pawel
>
>
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>>
>> Hideki Kato: <58d26196.6952%hideki_ka.
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7th CGI
>> 8th Julie
>> 9th DolBaram
>>
>> Top 16 program will play tommorow tournament.
>>
>> Remi's post is useful.
>> https://twitter.com/Remi_Coulom/status/843115954473070593
>>
>> There was a lot of media this year. Maybe because of "Fine Art"
>> (very str
Fine Art"
>> (very strong program made by Tencent)
>>
>> Thanks,
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>Dear all,
>
>The 10th UEC will be held on this weekend. The final will be
>live broadcast on the internet by Go-remium (in Japanese; free
>but registration required). The live will start 3/19 2:30 PM
>JS
are I use to build the crosstable had stopped
>working, and I hoped that it would be repaired (it is still broken). Then I
>was overtaken by other commitments for a few days.
>
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>> It will be a Swiss tournament, with eight rounds. See
>*https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1100
>> <https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1100>*
>>
>> Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the word
r nodes and relies on the
>faster node generation zen used before cnn for deeper nodes?
>
>I can not believe, that the policy network is so much stronger than the
>ones of all the others?!
>
>
>Any ideas
>
>
>Detlef
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No, who offered the prize is not the team but Koriki 9p and
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>We need the possibility to discuss this topic in realtime.
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>Thx, ingo.
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Where can computer programmers apply on behalf of their bots?
>* Will there be a qualifier tournament for bots?
>
>Looking forward to this event with big eyes,
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Chizu Kobayashi 6p is seeking automatic Go game recorders. Does
anyone know about that? An application for mobilephones is the best
but any system is appriciated.
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You're welcome. I've finished the game.
More Human vs Computer games at
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Xavier Combelle: <d21c12c5-4c1c-ea51-c34a-8d35a9174...@gmail.com>:
>thanks a lot
>
>
>Le 24/11/2016 à 12:31, Hideki Kato a écrit :
>> Ah, yes. Mayb
Ah, yes. Maybe he didn't push "resign".
Hideki
Xavier Combelle: <1d25b061-1f25-497e-c270-ee2040602...@gmail.com>:
>Hi Hideki
>
>Sorry in kgs, the game has no result in kgs, did it ended with pro
>resignation ?
>
>
>Le 23/11/2016 à 23:03, H
Unfortunately, in Japanese software market, unlike Western, patches
are provided almost only for bug fixes, not updating.
Hideki
Michael Markefka:
games).
Hideki
David Fotland: <06c901d245a8$d41405f0$7c3c11d0$@smart-games.com>:
>Congratulations to Zen for playing so well against a strong pro. It won't
>be long until anyone can get a pro strength go program that runs on their
>ordinary PC.
>
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>Hi all,
>
>the match was in German TV (ZDF) today, in an 8 second snipet.
>
>It included a scene from the press conference:
>http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6322.0;attach=5391;image
>
>I recognise Cho Chikun in the center and Hideki Kato
These games will have English commentary by Michael Redmond 9p and
Antti Tormanen 1p.
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv281949598
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv281949974
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv281950196
Best,
Hideki
Hideki Kato: <58232219.6505%hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp>:
>Th
rstand.
>
>For me (and likely for many in the Western world) it would be nice
>if for instance Hideki Kato could explain what is to come.
>
>Thanks in advance,
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suggestions were told her by voice of a robot or showed up
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>Korea Baduk Association June or July
>http://english.baduk.or.kr/
I believe it was canceled due to the AlphaGo shock.
>FuzzIEEE 2016 July 25-29
>http://www.wcci2016.org/
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Gian-Carlo Pascutto: <5731dc19.2020...@sjeng.org>:
>On 10-05-16 11:23, Hideki Kato wrote:
>
>> CGOS is better place for those lower programs, isn't it?
>
>Not really, the pool of opponents is smaller and contains no humans. It
>sort of depends on what the goal of t
rating.
>
>Maybe we could combine the two suggestions. Have two divisions: upper
>division McMahon, with entrants required to have KGS ratings of 7k or
>better; lower division open. I would like to hear people's views on this -
>and any mor
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>By the way: Will you come to Leiden this year?
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n the computer Go part of that event.
>You can watch them here:
>http://althofer.de/tilburg-2011-go.html
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>Ingo.
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people without any knowledge of Japanese (like me).
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>Tsuchi-oto,
>Ingo.
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forget a/the link?
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>By the way: Currently there are two bots in the top-100
>of KGS: CrazyStone on rank 36 and Zen on rank 52 (both 7 dan).
>http://www.gokgs.com/top100.jsp
>
>Ingo.
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>> Gesendet: Montag, 21. März 2016 um
of the executive
committee of UEC cup.
#Ohashi pro (6d) is looking into the screen with me.
Hideki
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Attached is my _personal_ copy of the final game. All official
game records will be available soon, though.
#After move 295, the operator resigned.
#Official results of the second day:
http://jsb.cs.uec.ac.jp/~igo/eng/result2.html
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Pawe Morawiecki:
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Congratulations to DeepMind team! What an excellent full-board
perspective.
Hideki
Lukas van de Wiel:
Go's playing
>strength (or its scaling), or merely a minor tweak?
>
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> Thanks,
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I think the error is defined as the difference between the
output of the value network and the average output of the
simulations done by the policy network (RL) at each position.
Hideki
Michael Markefka:
gt;
>> > Did you strip the games before 1800AD, as mentioned in the FB paper? I
>> > did not do it and was thinking my training is not ok, but as you have
>> > the same result probably this is the only difference?!
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>>
t;> http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/19x19/bayes.html
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hiroshi Yamashita
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ess than 100 watt.
Hideki
>Ingo.
>
>PS. Dietmar Wolz, my partner in space trajectory design, just told me
>that in his company they started woth deep learning...
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Aja Huang:
Thanks, it's very reasonable :)
Hideki
Michael Markefka:
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>On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Hideki Kato <hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp> wrote:
>> I was, btw, really surprised when Zen beat fj with two sto
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