Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

the logical, rule-driven part of the human thought process; it is much more akin to the "intuition" or "subconscious" of a highly experienced player, wrapped together with a very logical process akin to what we humans call "reading."  Terry McIntyre <terrymcint...@

Re: [Computer-go] Source code (Was: Reducing network size? (Was: AlphaGo Zero))

I'm sorry, did I miss soemthing here?  On Friday, October 27, 2017, 5:46:19 AM EDT, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: On 27-10-17 00:33, Shawn Ligocki wrote: > But the data should be different for different komi values, right? > Iteratively producing self-play games and

Re: [Computer-go] dealing with multiple local optima

"seeing" is complex when the input is just a bunch of pixels.  Terry McIntyre Unix/Linux Systems Administration Taking time to do it right saves having to do it twice. On Friday, February 24, 2017 12:32 PM, Minjae Kim <xive...@gmail.com> wrote: But those video games ha

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I speculate: nakade involves creating a shape (such as three in a row or a bulky five) such that, if captured, it would only

Re: [Computer-go] Are the AlphaGols coming?

blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } During its training, AlphaGo played many handicap games against a previous version of itself, so the team and the program are

Re: [Computer-go] it's alphago

. Google designed an ASIC specifically for the task of accelerating their neural networks, and made thousands of them available for massive tests and training.  Terry McIntyre <terrymcint...@yahoo.com> Unix/Linux Systems Administration Taking time to do it right saves having to do it tw

Re: [Computer-go] Nice graph

blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } It's never wise to generalize too much from one data point.   AlphaGo 2.0 is very very good at defeating AlphaGo 1.0.  This

Re: [Computer-go] Finding Alphago's Weaknesses

blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } According to the paper, AlphaGo did not use an opening book at all, in the version which played Fan Hui. Hypothetically, they

Re: [computer-go] Re: Open source real time Go server

When SE fails, it is often blatantly obvious: a group is dead or in seki, but judged to be alive; or vice versa. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Re: Open source real time Go server

It's all about expectations -- at this point, we don't expect any SE to say at move 10: This is a half-point win for white. ( I recall a pro making such an observation; I was willing to accept his expertise on the matter. ) But if it says at move 160: White wins by 5 points, it should be in the

Re: [computer-go] Re: Open source real time Go server

estimator, which is often wildly wrong. I've heard complaints about the implementation of the rules, and some have argued that it is not terribly bot-friendly. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state wants to live

Re: [computer-go] Re: Open source real time Go server

is not open, you can still reverse engineer it, right? Why not create an accessible web interface to KGS? terry mcintyre wrote: If accessibility is the only criterion, a client would do the trick; it would need an open protocol. It's been a bit of an inconvenience that KGS does not publish

Re: [computer-go] Re: Open source real time Go server

When I say the SE is wildly off, I'm not referring to positions which only a pro could evaluate but positions which a double-digit kyu player could correctly evaluate. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [computer-go] problem which current programs have difficulty solving

players would miss it too. You can't force life and you can't force connection. The either-or is easy to miss. Stefan - Original Message - From: terry mcintyre To: computer go Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 7:03 PM Subject: [computer-go] problem which current programs have

[computer-go] problem which current programs have difficulty solving

. GnuGo rejects the winning move as unsafe. Btw, GoGui/Gnugo have a method to find dragon status; is there something comparable with Fuego/GoGui? Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “Politics should be limited in scope to war, protection of property, and the occasional precautionary beheading

Re: [computer-go] Re: Hahn system tournament and MC bots

From: Vlad Dumitrescu vladd...@gmail.com I'm sorry to bother you, but I don't get it. There must be some subtle detail that escapes me... Please try to explain why the hahn calculation isn't working in a normal game so as to ensure a win. I'm talking about

Re: [computer-go] Hahn system tournament and MC bots

In my experience, go players (I include myself) rarely count territory until they reach the low-kyu level. It's all about slaying dragons and adventure. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even

Re: [computer-go] Re: Hahn system tournament and MC bots

and Simon, Cognitive Science, Chunking hierarchies ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chunking_%28psychology%29 Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others. - Edward

Re: [computer-go] Re: Hahn system tournament and MC bots

see http://senseis.xmp.net/?BangNeki Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others. - Edward Abbey ___ computer

Re: [computer-go] Shodan Go Bet: Nov '09 Update

was two years ago. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others. - Edward Abbey ___ computer-go mailing list

Re: [computer-go] Elo move prediction

. If one stone is played at a time, what does this change? Recomputing anything 361 times for each move of each playout is likely to be sluggish. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise

Re: [computer-go] Go Programming Language

Perhaps it is time to switch to the Korean name, baduk? Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others. - Edward Abbey From

Re: [computer-go] Re: Joseki Book

Robert, Your post is the first usage of sum-style that I have seen -- and I haven't turned up anything at senseis.xmp.net. What is sum-style? Can you elucidate? Do I have to read the book? Thanks! Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Anarchism is founded on the observation that since

Re: [computer-go] Re: Joseki Book

When building a joseki database, there is a caveat which may not be obvious to kyu-level players: Some joseki sequences depend upon ladder relationships. When the ladder succeeds, the joseki move may be brilliant. When the ladder fails, the same sequence leads to disaster. Smart opponents

Re: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] Joseki Book

One approach might be to combine some well-known joseki and fuseki books with such books as 100 tips for Amateur Players, which explain some of the pitfalls, tricks, and traps behind popular joseki. Nihon Kiin publishes some detailed and thorough joseki books. Slate and Shell published a

Re: [computer-go] Joseki Book

From: Alain Baeckeroot alain.baecker...@laposte.net Le 09/11/2009 à 08:04, Jessica Mullins a écrit : Hi, I am wondering what is the best way to build a Joseki Book? I am a student at Lewis Clark College and am working with Professor Peter Drake to

Re: [SPAM] Re: [computer-go] First ever win of a computer against a pro 9P as black (game of Go, 9x9).

-analyse the semeai and think I need not respond to that move and takes sente. The stronger the player, the more accurate these assessments are. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com And one sad servitude alike denotes The slave that labours and the slave that votes -- Peter Pindar

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to AyaMC!

Is there a way to implement I don't understand that command? a NAK, perhaps? Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com And one sad servitude alike denotes The slave that labours and the slave that votes -- Peter Pindar From: Nick Wedd n...@maproom.co.uk

Re: [computer-go] Generalizing RAVE

From: Brian Sheppard sheppar...@aol.com I have another way to fail to improve on RAVE. :-) Well, that's great news. Thomas Edison was once asked if he felt discouraged by 10 thousand failed experiments, and he said Not at all; I now know ten thousand ways

Re: [computer-go] Generalizing RAVE

Peter Drake wrote: The more I study this and try different variants, the more impressed I am by RAVE. Boards after the current board is a very clever way of defining similarity. Also, recorded RAVE playouts, being stored in each node, expire in an elegant

Re: [computer-go] Dead stones in human-bot games

Is there no way for the bot to dispute the other player's decision? I recall something of the sort in human-to-human play -- both have to agree before the scoring phase. I do not know whether the KGS API works the same way. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com And one sad servitude alike

Re: [computer-go] any mac programmers out there?

Cool! Have you had a chance to experiment with the gcc-llvm and clang versions of fuego? From: David Doshay ddos...@mac.com The best way to do it is to use darwinports to install the boos libs. That means installing the ports infrastructure first and using

[computer-go] any mac programmers out there?

compilation to multiple architectures, including GPUs; Grand Central Dispatch, which provides very light-weight concurrency; and CLANG, a new compiler which is said to be quite an improvement over GCC. Open CL, which leverages LLVM to program GPUs. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com And one

Re: [computer-go] any mac programmers out there?

From: Jason House jason.james.ho...@gmail.com On Sep 5, 2009, at 10:41 AM, terry mcintyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com wrote: Found an interesting article on Snow Leopard at Ars Technica ... 20-some pages. http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10

Re: [computer-go] MoGo policy: capture stones anywhere?

tests fail; the cost would be amortized over many trials. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com And one sad servitude alike denotes The slave that labours and the slave that votes -- Peter Pindar From: Peter Drake dr...@lclark.edu To: Computer Go computer-go

[computer-go] congrats to Fuego! from US Go email

us to use his machine with its 80 cores. - photo of Chou Chun-Hsun by Jimmy Lin Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com And one sad servitude alike denotes The slave that labours and the slave that votes -- Peter Pindar ___ computer-go mailing list

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic komi at high handicaps

that they balance evenly, but perhaps they do not. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.” -- Aesop From: Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [computer-go] Erlang and computer go

Peter Drake, I know Orego was written in Java. How do you handle memory allocation? Is there an equivalent of the C method of pre-allocating a large chunk and managing the nodes internally, instead of billions of alloc/free cycles? Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic komi at high handicaps

One reason dynamic komi seems a bit odd is that the numbers are pulled out of thin air. Why should the komi be X instead of Y? When should the value be changed? Going back to the original thought experiment: the komi at the start of the game should reflect the expert assessment of how far

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic komi at high handicaps

an equitable balance against good play. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.” -- Aesop From: Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Thursday, August

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic komi at high handicaps

I have never heard a pro say I estimate my chances of winning this game to be 50.3%, but you will hear black is ahead by 3 points or white wins by 1/2 point. -- they'll make this evaluation based on the alternation of equally competent play. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic komi at high handicaps

the win rate versus strong opponents? The usual range of computer opponents is fairly narrow. None approach high-dan levels on 19x19 boards - yet. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.” -- Aesop

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic komi at high handicaps

- losing by only 50 points; losing by only 10 points. The changing goal permits you to discriminate in a field which would otherwise look like a dark, desolate, win-less landscape. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic komi at high handicaps

loses the war. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.” -- Aesop From: Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:11:58 PM

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic komi at high handicaps

with a handicap _should_ win big. Second, they'll need to behave gracefully as that initial advantage is whittled down. Existing programs don't do either of those two things well. They're tuned toward even-game strategy. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic komi at high handicaps

In practical terms, the problem to solve is the reverse: how do we encourage weak programs to hang on to as much of their advantage as possible, against stronger players? In 2020, we can worry about how to beat pro players who take large handicaps against computer programs. Terry McIntyre

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic komi at high handicaps

As for how to beat weaker players ... the strong players whom I have observed make strong, stable positions; they wait for the weaker player to make mistakes. The stronger player will leave things unresolved for longer, knowing that there will be time to extend in one direction or another later

Re: [computer-go] Congratulations to Aya!

Nick, Many thanks for organizing this tournament! Did intend to reverse simplebot and :weakbot50k in one of the duplicate simplebot descriptions? Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.” -- Aesop

[computer-go] The AGA e-journal reports Man vs Machine Rematch

. It was easier to play Many Faces -- though it may be the stronger program -- because I could predict what it was going to do. Many Faces made better shape, but MoGo had better reading. I’d really like to see both programs play each other and see what happens.” Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com

Re: [computer-go] RAVE problems

Perhaps the context attached to RAVE needs to be more subtle than a static 3x3 pattern - tactical and efficiency considerations may apply - a move may be good when it defends or kills a group, but bad if it has no effect upon the status - it may be wasted in such cases. Terry McIntyre

Re: [computer-go] Re: Myungwan Kim 8P versus Many Faces of Go

Friday the 7th. You may check ManyFaces1 on KGS -- this is the program which will be playing - it is using 8 cores now - may be using more cores by Friday. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.” -- Aesop

[computer-go] Myungwan Kim 8P versus Many Faces of Go

, Virginia. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.” -- Aesop ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer

Re: [computer-go] CiteULike

I can't speak to that question, but the group was founded by Urban Hafner, and is still owned by him. The last post I have seen by Urban Hafner was July 15, so he's probably still using that email account. Urban, are you there? Thanks! Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang

[computer-go] demo with pro at Go Congress in Fairfax

I'm trying to set up a demo game between Myungwan Kim and Mogo at the Go Congress in Fairfax, VA Who should I speak with on the Mogo team? Will you be available? The Congress is from Aug 1-8. What times look good for you? Thanks! Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty

Re: [computer-go] demo with pro at Go Congress in Fairfax

I'd be happy to receive multiple offers; speak up! Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.” -- Aesop From: Peter Drake dr...@lclark.edu To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent

Re: [computer-go] Dead stones at end of game

. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.” -- Aesop From: Jason House jason.james.ho...@gmail.com To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:27:28 PM Subject

Re: [computer-go] Re: Dynamic komi in commercial programs

Maybe we should go back to the question which dynamic komi is an attempt to solve: how to obtain better discrimination when every move seems to be clustered near I am so freaking dead or I am so far ahead, as the case may be. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty

Re: [computer-go] Re: Dynamic komi in commercial programs

to read seki properly. As players move up in rank, they read life-and-death at an earlier point. Human players, with practice, discover the weaknesses of their particular opponents. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office

Re: [computer-go] Re: Dynamic komi in commercial programs

enough granularity to cope with the structure of a particular game. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.” -- Aesop From: Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com To: computer-go computer-go

Re: [computer-go] Dynamic komi in commercial programs

The go-playing literature offers a bit of advice: when ahead, make moves which simplify the game and preserve your advantage. When behind, take some risks to grab more than you are entitled to - but not too many. Computer programs seem bizarre in this regard, they tend to play quite

Re: [computer-go] Scoring - step function or sigmoid function?

To properly test any method of playing with a handicap, today's programs will need to play against much stronger opponents. Self-play, or play against other roughly-equal programs, won't test the ability to eke out a win against a professional go player. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com

Re: [computer-go] Prediction

--- On Wed, 7/8/09, Michael Williams michaelwilliam...@gmail.com wrote: From: Michael Williams michaelwilliam...@gmail.com Prediction: First, developers and algorithm gurus will expend huge amounts of effort to parallelize code to take advantage of multi-core chips. Then, hardware engineers

Re: [computer-go] Really basic question

of this theme a few times. I believe that when the playout component knows as much about life-and-death, corner plays, nakade, running fights, semeai, and seki as a dan-level player, the power of the tree search will leverage that knowledge far better than at present. Terry McIntyre terrymcint

Re: [computer-go] Experimentation

or less, but it might be easier to progress stepwise - first tweak the top-level design, then tweak the performance - in order to separate out the different inputs to the experiment. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office

Re: [computer-go] Hash tables

Considering that memory keeps getting cheaper, would it make sense to dynamically choose how much space to use? Nowadays most new computer purchasers start with 2 GB, and go up from there. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones

Re: [computer-go] Fuego or Fuego?

From merriam webster entry for terra del fuego, it can be foo-ay-go or fway-go It's a Spanish word -- have to ask some Spanish speakers their opinions. http://forvo.com/word/fuego/ -- to my ear, it sounds like foo eh go -- three distinct syllables. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We

Re: [computer-go] MCTS, 19x19, hitting a wall?

From: Don Dailey dailey@gmail.com My basic observation is that over the several year period I have been in this forum, I have detected a huge amount of resistance to the idea that hardware could have anything to do with computer go strength, despite

Re: [computer-go] MCTS, 19x19, hitting a wall?

of oneself. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.” -- Aesop ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] US Go Congress

computer go program nowadays? Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com “We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.” -- Aesop From: David Doshay ddos...@mac.com To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:56

Re: [computer-go] bots and handicaps (Re: New CGOS)

programs rise to the level of even play against pros, human-computer matches will be handicap games. It makes sense to develop the ability to play handicap games well. It would be sad if a program with a seven stone handicap frittered away its advantage instead of hoarding it jealously. Terry

Re: [computer-go] bots and handicaps (Re: New CGOS)

of view) has motivated me to discover (and hopefully repair) weaknesses in my reading skills. Playing against opponents of my level only encourages me to be a little trickier - to push problems beyond the horizon of my opponent's skills (and often my own). Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com

Re: [computer-go] New CGOS

might have an incentive to find a way to leapfrog over their opponents. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Any system of entrusting the government to judge and correct its own abuses is the same as appointing the accused criminal as his own judge and jury: don't expect many convictions

Re: [computer-go] Re: Implications of a CPU vs Memory trend on MCTS

than the other, or why a particular joseki matches the overall position, and another is a failure. Building up a tree over time which knows something about the various choices might be helpful. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com On general principles, when we are looking for a solution

Re: [computer-go] Implications of a CPU vs Memory trend on MCTS

when they were needed. Not every bit of information needs to be available Right Now; if we map access needs to the access capabilities, an SSD can be a great way to extend RAM cheaply. This is all the more true when newer flavors of SSD become available in the next few years. Terry McIntyre

Re: [computer-go] Implications of a CPU vs Memory trend on MCTS

Are we approaching a point where it would be practical to precompute the opening tree to some depth, cache the results on SSD, and incrementally improve that knowledge based upon subsequent games? Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com On general principles, when we are looking

Re: [computer-go] Implications of a CPU vs Memory trend on MCTS

How long has it been pondering? Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com On general principles, when we are looking for a solution of a social problem, we must expect to reach conclusions quite opposed to the usual opinions on the subject; otherwise it would be no problem. We must expect

Re: [computer-go] Re: Implications of a CPU vs Memory trend on MCTS

In the opening, among reasonably clueful players, the branching factor is much closer to 10 than to 361. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com On general principles, when we are looking for a solution of a social problem, we must expect to reach conclusions quite opposed to the usual

Re: [computer-go] Re: Implications of a CPU vs Memory trend on MCTS

observe Gee, opponent X does this a lot, and I have discovered a good refutation Y. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com On general principles, when we are looking for a solution of a social problem, we must expect to reach conclusions quite opposed to the usual opinions on the subject; otherwise

[computer-go] a ladder example

it initiated the ladder, but a few moves later, it became aware of the looming shadow of a great doom. There are a few large captures later in the game. The corner fight at the end had me biting my nails. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Here you can see how slightly a people needs

Re: [computer-go] a ladder example

of the players pursuing a ladder has usually made a fatal error; Hugh Grant Important to know. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Here you can see how slightly a people needs to be governed. - Carl Schurz, immigrant, 1848. What happened since? From: David Fotland

Re: [computer-go] Monte-Carlo Simulation Balancing

is recommended. The pro knows six moves in advance that he'll need to read that ladder, before the ladder is actually on the board. These are the simplest expositions I've seen; things get more complex from there. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Government is an association of men who do

Re: [computer-go] Roadmap 2020 - using analysis mode to improve programs

of confidence. Even better, especially for double-digit-kyu players, would be an exposition of why a group is live, dead, seki, unstable, etc. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us. - Leo Tolstoy

Re: [computer-go] Roadmap 2020 - using analysis mode to improve programs

this thread with the contention that analysis mode can help developers find problems, I hope this example explains why. My theory is that if a program could reliably recognize the outcome of such capturing races five or ten moves sooner, it could crush the likes of me. :D Terry McIntyre terrymcint

Re: [computer-go] Reply to Lukasz and Don + Roadmap 2020

the same as a true ladder, and the program can be tricked into trying to capture my ladder-like position. This sort of predictable flaw might provide a clue to improve the next version. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us

Re: [computer-go] Could be that nobody is playing?

From: Jason House jason.james.ho...@gmail.com CGOS requires us to use new names on the server each time we change our bots. It computes the strength using all games (heavilly biased with the results of the first 100 games) Hypothetically speaking, if a

Re: [computer-go] COGS bug in Ko detection?

/hanezeki_abstract.pdf Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com From: Robert Jasiek jas...@snafu.de megasnippage hane-sekis are also pretty ugly. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http

Re: [computer-go] Fast ways to evaluate program strength.

From: Łukasz Lew lukasz@gmail.com I was wondering what are the good (fast/accurate) ways of evaluating program strength. The most accurate one is to play many games against gnugo or on KGS. But it is quite slow as many games are needed. Another one is to have set of labeled positions

Re: [computer-go] Fast ways to evaluate program strength.

. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com -- People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war or before an election. - Otto von Bismarck From: steve uurtamo uurt...@gmail.com To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 5:12:27

Re: RE: [computer-go] Pseudo liberties: Detect 2 unique liberties?

From: Heikki Levanto hei...@lsd.dk On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 05:07:41PM +0200, Isaac Deutsch wrote: This may seem slow, but it has a couple real advantages. First, it works with the cache to maximize locality. Second it is very simple. This *does*

Re: [computer-go] CGT approximating the sum of subgames

From: Jason House jason.james.ho...@gmail.com On Feb 17, 2009, at 4:39 PM, dave.de...@planet.nl wrote: I've been looking into CGT lately and I stumbled on some articles about approximating strategies for determining the sum of subgames (Thermostrat,

Re: [computer-go] static evaluators for tree search

From: dhillism...@netscape.net dhillism...@netscape.net Perhaps the biggest problem came from an unexpected quarter. MC playouts are very fast and neural nets are a bit slow. (I am talking about the forward pass, not the off-line training.) In the short time

Re: [computer-go] Fuego performance

Does Fuego make use of multiple cores? Does it require some switch setting to do so? How do I control the time used by Fuego? ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Poll: how long until computers are as strong as pros?

From: Bob Hearn robert.a.he...@dartmouth.edu How long until a computer beats a pro -- any pro -- in an even game? How long until a computer can routinely beat the best pros? We've recently seen a program with a 7 stone handicap beat a pro, so we're a little bit closer than when you made

Re: [computer-go] GPGPU

- Original Message From: Petr Baudis pa...@ucw.cz There has been some talk about implementing monte-carlo playouts on GPUs in the past, I have heard rumours about Polish bachelor student doing libego - GPGPU conversion as a project, etc. but I know of nothing concrete ever

Re: [computer-go] time measurement

I would not want to discourage remote players - some systems are designed to take advantage of large supercomputers which are not very portable. However, remote players need to accept the trade-off. They get to avoid the trouble of packing up and shipping a trailer full of computer gear to the

Re: [computer-go] time measurement

This is the timeseal web site: http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~chess/soft/timeseal/ Looks like an interesting read. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com -- Libertarians Do It With Consent! - Original Message From: Jeff Nowakowski j...@dilacero.org To: computer-go computer-go

Re: [computer-go] time measurement

- Original Message From: Gian-Carlo Pascutto g...@sjeng.org Heikki Levanto wrote: No amount on crypto-mumbo-jumbo will solve the problem that the server will have to trust the program, and its author. Signing can provide some little assurance that the program running today is

Re: [computer-go] time measurement

Further information, including a helpful diagram: http://www.edcollins.com/chess/lag.htm Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com -- Libertarians Do It With Consent! - Original Message From: terry mcintyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org Sent

Re: [computer-go] RAVE and memory allocation considerations

will need a quick method of clearing old information from previous nodes. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com -- Libertarians Do It With Consent! ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [computer-go] Re: GCP on ICGA Events 2009 in Pamplona

worldwide. I have been told by a Korean professional that the popularity of Baduk in Korea is rising quite rapidly. Terry McIntyre terrymcint...@yahoo.com -- Libertarians Do It With Consent! ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http

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