Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

2017-01-31 Thread Brian Sheppard via Computer-go
van Engelen <ich.bun...@gmail.com> To: computer-go <computer-go@computer-go.org> Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2017 12:55 pm Subject: Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns? @Gian-Carlo Pascutto, thanks! but identifying the shapes is not the problem=) @Brain Sheppard, Sorry it was

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

2017-01-31 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 31.01.2017 16:39, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: http://senseis.xmp.net/?BasicLivingEyeShapes Warning: these do not include any living eye shapes with inside stones, nor specialities on the edge or in the corner. -- robert jasiek ___ Computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

2017-01-31 Thread Roel van Engelen
ake less than 1% of total > time. Any implementation that achieves that goal will make a noticeable > difference to strength. > > > -Original Message- > From: Roel van Engelen <ich.bun...@gmail.com> > To: computer-go <computer-go@computer-go.org> > Sent: Tue, Jan 31,

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

2017-01-31 Thread Brian Sheppard via Computer-go
h. -Original Message- From: Roel van Engelen <ich.bun...@gmail.com> To: computer-go <computer-go@computer-go.org> Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2017 10:42 am Subject: Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns? @Brain Sheppard Thanks that is a really useful explanation! the way

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

2017-01-31 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 31-01-17 16:32, Roel van Engelen wrote: > @Brain Sheppard > Thanks that is a really useful explanation! > the way you state: "and therefore a 8192-sized pattern set will identify > all potential nakade." seems to indicate this is a known pattern set? > could i find some more information on it

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

2017-01-31 Thread Roel van Engelen
discovery by the Mogo team. > > Note that there are often subtle differences for your program compared to > the published papers. > > Best, > Brian > > -Original Message- > From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf > Of Gian-Carl

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

2017-01-24 Thread Stefan Kaitschick
Finally, somebody asks about the nature of those 8192 patterns.(pardon the Nature pun) ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

2017-01-24 Thread Brian Sheppard via Computer-go
e that there are often subtle differences for your program compared to the published papers. Best, Brian -Original Message- From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Gian-Carlo Pascutto Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:05 AM To: computer-go@

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

2017-01-24 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 23-01-17 20:10, Brian Sheppard via Computer-go wrote: > only captures of up to 9 stones can be nakade. I don't really understand this. http://senseis.xmp.net/?StraightThree Both constructing this shape and playing the vital point are not captures. How can you detect the nakade (and play at a

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

2017-01-23 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 23.01.2017 19:00, terry mcintyre via Computer-go wrote: nakade involves creating a shape (such as three in a row or a bulky five) such that, if captured, it would only form one eye, given the proper placement. Nakade has been defined (e.g., several times by me) reasonably well, but for

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

2017-01-23 Thread Brian Sheppard via Computer-go
. -Original Message- From: terry mcintyre via Computer-go <computer-go@computer-go.org> To: computer-go <computer-go@computer-go.org> Sent: Mon, Jan 23, 2017 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns? I speculate: nakade involves creating a shape (such as th

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

2017-01-23 Thread terry mcintyre via Computer-go
blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I speculate: nakade involves creating a shape (such as three in a row or a bulky five) such that, if captured, it would only

[Computer-go] AlphaGo rollout nakade patterns?

2017-01-23 Thread Roel van Engelen
I am trying to re-create the fast rollout policy as described by deepMind but got stuck on the nakade patterns: "Nakade, # of patterns 8192: Move matches a nakade pattern at captured stone" the "at captured stone" confuses me, my first thought is: "this is only computed if stones have been