[computer-go] 2007 Cotsen Open wants your program to enter
David thanks for the report. Mark On Thu Sep 20 14:06:53 PDT 2007 David Doshay wrote: SlugGo entered the first year as a 9 kyu and won 1 game. One other game was clearly won on the board (more than 100 points) but the opponent was clever enough to start playing very complicated moves that I could see were not going to work, but took SlugGo a long time to reply to, and SlugGo lost on time. After that we put in time management code. The second year I made a silly mistake, and the graphical front end (GoBan) was mistakenly set to announce atari. The announcement was something that the multi-processor message passing code did not understand, so SlugGo lost all games by crashing in response to the first atari of the game. I figured this out minutes after the last game. SlugGo had been entered as a 10 kyu the second year. I felt horrible accepting the cash prize for best program, but it did help offset the $1250 cost of a handicap van that I had to rent to transport the cluster to Los Angeles. The Cotsen open is 5 games. I think the bracket ran from 8 to 12 kyu. I did not do anything to narrow my guess of the rating. I will look for the games. Cheers, David ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] 2007 Cotsen Open wants your program to enter
SlugGo entered the first year as a 9 kyu and won 1 game. One other game was clearly won on the board (more than 100 points) but the opponent was clever enough to start playing very complicated moves that I could see were not going to work, but took SlugGo a long time to reply to, and SlugGo lost on time. After that we put in time management code. The second year I made a silly mistake, and the graphical front end (GoBan) was mistakenly set to announce atari. The announcement was something that the multi-processor message passing code did not understand, so SlugGo lost all games by crashing in response to the first atari of the game. I figured this out minutes after the last game. SlugGo had been entered as a 10 kyu the second year. I felt horrible accepting the cash prize for best program, but it did help offset the $1250 cost of a handicap van that I had to rent to transport the cluster to Los Angeles. The Cotsen open is 5 games. I think the bracket ran from 8 to 12 kyu. I did not do anything to narrow my guess of the rating. I will look for the games. Cheers, David On 20, Sep 2007, at 10:19 AM, Mark Schreiber wrote: On Thu Sep 13 16:14:36 PDT 2007, David Doshay wrote: SlugGo won the award for Best Computer Program both of the last 2 years David, thanks for telling us about the Cotsen Open. Where can I find more about SlugGo's games at the Cotsen Open? How many games were played? What were the scores? What were the ratings of the opponents? Did you compute a performance rating for SlugGo? Mark Schreiber ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] 2007 Cotsen Open wants your program to enter
I am more than willing to provide a binary version of my program if someone else provides the operator and (refundable) entrance fee. While I doubt my weak program would get best of the year, if it did win, I'd be fine with giving the extra $$ to whoever paid the entrance fee. On 9/13/07, Ray Tayek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:49 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote: ... I would also like to list the results from past years, as far as computer participation goes. But I can't find any Cotsen results listed on the web. Do you happen to know what program won in the last two years? we've only done this twice. slug beat smart go the first time and slugo was the sole program entered last year. i know the time is short, but i am hoping that we have more programs in the mix this year. thanks --- vice-chair http://ocjug.org/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] 2007 Cotsen Open wants your program to enter
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ray Tayek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes details are here: http://web.mac.com/thelec/iWeb/Go/Index.html. please make a note that you are entering a program on your entry form and also send me a note. Are platforms provided, or do entrants have to bring their own? Do programs that pre-register qualify for the free buffet? (And this list is the wrong place to mention it, but I am unsure how many parallel events are being held. The sentence The Cotsen Open, 6 Dan and up, Cotsen Handicap Tournament, open to all ranks, except as noted to the left is unclear. My best guess is that there are two events, with the Open one being very far from open.) Nick -- Nick Wedd[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] 2007 Cotsen Open wants your program to enter
This is speaking as a participant over the past 2 years who has brought my program, SlugGo. Programs are treated much like any other participant in their rank, except that AGA rules do not count games against computers, so before the parings are selected, people have been allowed to decline to be paired against a program. In the past the people who have declined fell into 2 classes: 1) people who lived in remote areas and do not get much person-to-person playing, and 2) parents who did not want their children playing against the computer. Because SlugGo runs on a cluster, I have always brought my hardware. I had to build a traveling cluster just for this event, although obviously I can use it back at home just like any other cluster. 2 years ago Anders brought his SmartGo and ran it on his laptop. That year he and I met the day before the tournament and played 2 games between our programs, so we asked the TD not to pair us against each other and that is what happened. I have been allowed to eat the buffet, which has a wide variety of choices. I would say that there is one event and 2 brackets more than 2 events. Because none of the programs can claim 6 dan or better, I don't see a problem. The mechanics of play in this tournament is that there is a real board and the program must have an operator that transfers moves from board to screen and screen to board, all with a clock running. Thus, the program has a slight time disadvantage. The event has been great fun for me each year, and as the only human tournament I am aware of that welcomes self-ranked programs, I do my best to support it each year by being there. There has been a cash prize each year for the best program. It was $250 the past 2 years, but I do not know what the plans are this year. Cheers, David On 13, Sep 2007, at 9:17 AM, Nick Wedd wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ray Tayek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes details are here: http://web.mac.com/thelec/iWeb/Go/Index.html. please make a note that you are entering a program on your entry form and also send me a note. Are platforms provided, or do entrants have to bring their own? Do programs that pre-register qualify for the free buffet? (And this list is the wrong place to mention it, but I am unsure how many parallel events are being held. The sentence The Cotsen Open, 6 Dan and up, Cotsen Handicap Tournament, open to all ranks, except as noted to the left is unclear. My best guess is that there are two events, with the Open one being very far from open.) Nick -- Nick Wedd[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] 2007 Cotsen Open wants your program to enter
At 09:17 AM 9/13/2007, you wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ray Tayek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes details are here: http://web.mac.com/thelec/iWeb/Go/Index.html. ... Are platforms provided, or do entrants have to bring their own? you must bring your own hardware. Do programs that pre-register qualify for the free buffet? sure. (And this list is the wrong place to mention it, but I am unsure how many parallel events are being held. The sentence The Cotsen Open, 6 Dan and up, Cotsen Handicap Tournament, open to all ranks, except as noted to the left is unclear. My best guess is that there are two events, with the Open one being very far from open.) noted on the left? ... can't see anythign there. i have been going to this for about 10 years. there are just 2 sectons open and handicap. thanks --- vice-chair http://ocjug.org/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] 2007 Cotsen Open wants your program to enter
At 12:49 PM 9/13/2007, you wrote: ... I would also like to list the results from past years, as far as computer participation goes. But I can't find any Cotsen results listed on the web. Do you happen to know what program won in the last two years? we've only done this twice. slug beat smart go the first time and slugo was the sole program entered last year. i know the time is short, but i am hoping that we have more programs in the mix this year. thanks --- vice-chair http://ocjug.org/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] 2007 Cotsen Open wants your program to enter
On 13, Sep 2007, at 12:49 PM, Nick Wedd wrote: I would also like to list the results from past years, as far as computer participation goes. But I can't find any Cotsen results listed on the web. Do you happen to know what program won in the last two years? SlugGo won the award for Best Computer Program both of the last 2 years, the second time by default because there was no other program entered. Cheers, David ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] 2007 Cotsen Open wants your program to enter
And for those who missed this detail, if you (or your program) play all 5 of the games over 2 days, then your registration fee is refunded. Cheers, David On 13, Sep 2007, at 3:41 PM, Ray Tayek wrote: At 09:17 AM 9/13/2007, you wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ray Tayek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes details are here: http://web.mac.com/thelec/iWeb/Go/Index.html. ... Are platforms provided, or do entrants have to bring their own? you must bring your own hardware. Do programs that pre-register qualify for the free buffet? sure. (And this list is the wrong place to mention it, but I am unsure how many parallel events are being held. The sentence The Cotsen Open, 6 Dan and up, Cotsen Handicap Tournament, open to all ranks, except as noted to the left is unclear. My best guess is that there are two events, with the Open one being very far from open.) noted on the left? ... can't see anythign there. i have been going to this for about 10 years. there are just 2 sectons open and handicap. thanks --- vice-chair http://ocjug.org/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
