Re: [computer-go] Difficult and strong move

2008-01-08 Thread terry mcintyre
The www page for the Mathematical Go book refers to the Japanese word 
tedomori -- which I googled; this book page is the only reference to 
tedomori. No mention on senseis.xmp.net; can anyone supply a definition?

Thanks!
 
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- Original Message 
From: Stuart A. Yeates [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I recommend  Mathematical Go: Chilling Gets the Last Point by Elwyn
Berlekamp and David Wolfe. The book contains a number of such
positions, as well as an approach that allows to make as many more as
you need.

http://math.berkeley.edu/~berlek/cgt/gobook.html

Most interesting! Has anyone implemented these methods for endgame analysis in 
a computer program? 









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Re: [computer-go] Difficult and strong move

2008-01-08 Thread terry mcintyre
- Original Message 
From: Stuart A. Yeates [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I recommend  Mathematical Go: Chilling Gets the Last Point by Elwyn
Berlekamp and David Wolfe. The book contains a number of such
positions, as well as an approach that allows to make as many more as
you need.

http://math.berkeley.edu/~berlek/cgt/gobook.html

Most interesting! Has anyone implemented these methods for endgame analysis in 
a computer program? 






  

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Re: [computer-go] Difficult and strong move

2008-01-08 Thread Vlad Dumitrescu
Hi!

On Jan 8, 2008 7:17 PM, terry mcintyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The www page for the Mathematical Go book refers to the Japanese word
 tedomori -- which I googled; this book page is the only reference to
 tedomori. No mention on senseis.xmp.net; can anyone supply a definition?

It's tedomari and the sensei page is http://senseis.xmp.net/?Tedomari

best regards,
Vlad
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Re: [computer-go] Difficult and strong move

2008-01-08 Thread Alain Baeckeroot
Le mardi 8 janvier 2008, terry mcintyre a écrit :
 - Original Message 
 From: Stuart A. Yeates [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I recommend  Mathematical Go: Chilling Gets the Last Point by Elwyn
 Berlekamp and David Wolfe. The book contains a number of such
 positions, as well as an approach that allows to make as many more as
 you need.
 
 http://math.berkeley.edu/~berlek/cgt/gobook.html
 
 Most interesting! Has anyone implemented these methods for endgame
 analysis in a computer program? 

If don't remeber exactly the names, but there are some papers about
thermography applied to endgame in go game.
I think i find them in Markus Enzenbererg go bibliography.

The main feeling i had, is that it can be usefull in very end game
when the board can be divided in independant sub-boards , and that
it seemed very tough work for very small result if
we consider current state of the art in computer go.

Alain

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Re: [computer-go] Difficult and strong move

2008-01-08 Thread Ray Tayek

At 10:03 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote:

- Original Message 
From: Stuart A. Yeates [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I recommend  Mathematical Go: Chilling Gets the Last Point by 
Elwyn  ... 
http://math.berkeley.edu/%7Eberlek/cgt/gobook.htmlhttp://math.berkeley.edu/~berlek/cgt/gobook.html


Most interesting! Has anyone implemented these methods for endgame 
analysis in a computer program?


iirc, the value these moves are just *one* point. maybe not so 
valuable in actual play.


thanks

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[computer-go] Difficult and strong move

2008-01-07 Thread Michael Williams
Can anyone point me to a move in a 19x19 game that is commonly seen as 
the best move but hard to find?  I know of the Ear Reddening move, but I 
don't know whether or not that meets my criteria (I'm not a dan player, 
or even close).  Thanks.

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Re: [computer-go] Difficult and strong move

2008-01-07 Thread Stuart A. Yeates
I recommend  Mathematical Go: Chilling Gets the Last Point by Elwyn
Berlekamp and David Wolfe. The book contains a number of such
positions, as well as an approach that allows to make as many more as
you need.

http://math.berkeley.edu/~berlek/cgt/gobook.html

cheers
stuart

On 08/01/2008, Michael Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can anyone point me to a move in a 19x19 game that is commonly seen as
 the best move but hard to find?  I know of the Ear Reddening move, but I
 don't know whether or not that meets my criteria (I'm not a dan player,
 or even close).  Thanks.
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