It seems like adaptation in the context of a game of Go just making
the best response to the opponent's move, however unexpected. So, if
there were such a thing as a perfect Go player, it would have no need
to learn, but it would be perfectly adaptive, in this context.
Of course, one could also
Hideki Kato wrote:
Creativity here is, to generate a new method by combining methods
the system already has, in order to solve a problem.
That is creativity for the job of designing algorithms. Playing
go, creativity is finding moves _that work_ that nobody would have
thought of.
I think
I was wondering how he knows it as well. Then I decided that an
Oracle must have revealed it to him.
On 7/23/07, Jim O'Flaherty, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do you know this is incorrect? Are you claiming omniscience?
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No. Erik is wrong even in theory. An
I agree. Thank you for much better explanation than what I can do in
English :-).
(Imagine creativity like a thermal energy in simulated Annealing.)
I prefer, however, non-linear dynamics in massive neural networks
with feedback than SA because it's my home of research.
Hideki.
Jacques
parameters of the model to extract general behavior from data (learning).
Weimin
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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [computer-go] Intelligence
Hideki Kato wrote:
Creativity here
On 7/21/07, Weimin Xiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Intelligence is the ability to adapt or learn.
A hypothetical almighty oracle that already knows the correct answer
to every question and the right response in every situation would
never have to adapt. Hence evidence of intelligence according
Hi Erik,
Erik van der Werf: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IMO the adaptation is just a means to an end. The end (Intelligence,
whatever it is) does not necessarily require adaptation.
I used to think learning is required for intelligence but recently
I'd like to propose some creativity is.
Hideki (gg)
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All,
For reasons similar to those mentioned by others, I have found the
phrase artificial intelligence to be less than adequate to convey my
interests in this domain. And after considerable time, I came up with a
term that I prefer; synthetic awareness. It comes from having
interests in
Erik,
In perfect theory, I agree with you. In the practicality of attempting
to generate more effective computer Go players, I disagree.
In theory, there is a perfect girlfriend for me. In practicality, there
is my adapting to make the current girlfriend good enough and better,
with
: Erik van der Werf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [computer-go] Intelligence
On 7/21/07, Weimin Xiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Intelligence is the ability to adapt or learn.
A hypothetical almighty oracle
I would believe the creativity is implied in learning.
Weimin
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Hi Erik,
Erik van der Werf:
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Can this oracle explain logically how he become one? :)?
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From: Erik van der Werf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 7:10 am
Subject: Re: [computer-go] Intelligence
On 7/21/07, Weimin Xiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
On 7/22/07, Weimin Xiao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A hypothetical almighty oracle that already knows the correct answer
to every question and the right response in every situation would
never have to adapt.
For a moran without a goal, the ability to adapt or to learn is where he
shows his
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Erik,
In perfect theory, I agree with you. In the practicality of attempting to
generate more effective computer Go players, I disagree.
In theory
On 7/22/07, Jim O'Flaherty, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In theory, there is a perfect girlfriend for me. In practicality, there
is my adapting to make the current girlfriend good enough and better,
with perfection never really obtainable.
Interesting example. Intelligence may be like beauty;
On 7/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can this oracle explain logically how he become one? :)
:-)
That depends on the domain. If the domain is Go-world you would not
even be able to phrase that question. If the domain would be the world
in which you live, the correct answer
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Erik,?
?
In perfect theory, I agree with you. In the practicality of attempting to
generate more effective computer Go players, I disagree.?
?
In theory
On 7/23/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No. Erik is wrong even in theory. An arguement can fault in two
aspects:assumption and logic. His arguement faults on the former, even his
logic is iron clad. He assumed the existence of an Oracle, which we all know
is incorrect.
'We'
we all know is incorrect.
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Erik,
In perfect theory, I agree with you. In the practicality of attempting
-
From: Jim O'Flaherty, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How do you know this is incorrect? Are you claiming omniscience??
?
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No. Erik is wrong even in theory
a problem.
Hideki
Weimin Xiao: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I would believe the creativity is implied in learning.
Weimin
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From: Hideki Kato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: computer-go computer-go@computer-go.org
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [computer-go] Intelligence
Hi
Intelligence is the ability to adapt or learn.
I would believe neural network is not a proper way on learning GO, as too
many nodes would be needed for patterns, and storage and training may not be
feasible.
Weimin
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From: Erik van der Werf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Intelligence is the ability to adapt or learn.
I would believe neural network is not a proper way on learning GO, as too
many nodes would be needed for patterns, and storage and training may not be
feasible.
But a variant on the neural network idea could work. (If these cells
are
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