On 31-dec-06, at 15:34, David Fotland wrote:
A strong chinese player using chinese rules will pick up a point or
two
during the dame filling stage when playing a strong japanese
player. The
Chiense player will choose earlier moves that gain a later dame
point that
the japanese player will
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Datum: zondag, december 31, 2006 6:34 pm
Onderwerp: RE: [computer-go] Interesting problem
> People who play by Japanese rules fill the dame before passing and
> scoring.Professional game records leave those moves out since they
> are irrelevant,
> but if you go to a club and wat
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> On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 13:00 +, Jacques Basaldúa wrote:
> > I don't agree on that. If you are used to
On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 13:00 +, Jacques Basaldúa wrote:
> I don't agree on that. If you are used to Chinese
> and watch a Japanese game, you won't see any kind
> of silly moves (assuming they are not silly to a
> Japanese observer).
That's not true. The Chinese player (who has never
heard of
Don Dailey wrote:
>Your odds of finding a "winning move against a pro
>player" is different from finding one of the "best
>move(s)" in the position, ...
I agree. I was oversimplifying. It would be more
appropriate to say: Except, probably for the first
moves (as you point correctly, where the nu
On Sat, 2006-12-30 at 13:52 +, Jacques Basaldúa wrote:
> Aloril wrote:
>
> > Actually given *enough* games "fully random including
> > eye filling and passing moves" will win against a pro player.
>
> That is "true", at least as it is true that a monkey would
> write Hamlet typing at rando
Aloril wrote:
Actually given *enough* games "fully random including
eye filling and passing moves" will win against a pro player.
That is "true", at least as it is true that a monkey would
write Hamlet typing at random long enough.
That probability is in the range of 1 to (x·100)^(y·100)
wh
Is there a reason why we need to decide, in advance, which of these many
candidates should be the anchorman? If we set up a whole swathe of them,
surely a week of random even games answers many of these questions and gets
us well on our way to a stable basis for a 19x19 competition? Maybe after
th
Le vendredi 29 décembre 2006 10:58, Aloril a écrit :
> On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 11:53 +0100, alain Baeckeroot wrote:
> > Le jeudi 28 décembre 2006 03:34, Don Dailey a écrit :
> > > I'm having an interesting problem - my hope is to set
> > > a random legal move making player (who doesn't fill
> > > 1 p
On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 11:53 +0100, alain Baeckeroot wrote:
> Le jeudi 28 décembre 2006 03:34, Don Dailey a écrit :
> > I'm having an interesting problem - my hope is to set
> > a random legal move making player (who doesn't fill
> > 1 point eyes) at ELO zero.
> Hmm maybe i misunderstand. It se
Le jeudi 28 décembre 2006 18:47, Don Dailey a écrit :
> Yes,
>
> Someone mentioned random as being infinitely weak but there is no
> such thing.Resigning on the first move is as weak as you can
> get.
>
> The random player isn't really random, it doesn't fill it's eyes.
> There are strategies
allow such a player to win. Especially when
> the (human) opponent knows the anti-tactics that were built into the
> program.
>
> Dave
>
> - Oorspronkelijk bericht -
>
> Van: Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Datum: donderdag, december 28, 2006 4:23
) opponent knows the anti-tactics that were built into the program.
Dave
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Van: Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: donderdag, december 28, 2006 4:23 pm
Onderwerp: Re: [computer-go] Interesting problem
> > > On Wed, 2006-12-27 at 22:53 -0500, Don Daile
On Wed, 2006-12-27 at 22:53 -0500, Don Dailey wrote:
> It turns out that I did not turn off all of the stuff
> that strengthened the random player - so hopefully I
> have much weaker players now.
>
> (There was a bug that made the program too strong :-)
>
> - Don
Addendum:
However, there st
anyone
who plays by the rules qualifies as 30kyu.
s.
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Le jeudi 28 décembre 2006 03:34, Don Dailey a écrit :
> I'm having an interesting problem - my hope is to set
> a random legal move making player (who doesn't fill
> 1 point eyes) at ELO zero.
Hmm maybe i misunderstand. It seems to me that a random player
cannot have a fixed rating (except -i
This is an interesting problem. It seems to me that the reality is that
when you are talking about non-ideal play, ranking systems aren't linear.
Program A could beat B which could beat C which could beat A. How would you
rank those? Clearly there is going to have to be some degree of arbitrary
On Wed, 2006-12-27 at 21:34 -0500, Don Dailey wrote:
> I'm having an interesting problem - my hope is to set
> a random legal move making player (who doesn't fill
> 1 point eyes) at ELO zero.
>
> I feel this would define a nice standard that is
> easy to reproduce and verify experimentally an
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Thanks Dave,
- Don
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Thanks Dave,
- Don
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> File attached. And also inline below Dave Hillis antminder on
Thanks Dave,
- Don
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Sent: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [computer-go] Interesting problem
Can you send me an attachment with the 19x19 data in a text
file?
I will try a version for the 19x19 games and see what happens.
- Don
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Can you send me an attachment with the 19x19 data in a text
file?
I will try a version for the 19x19 games and see what happens.
- Don
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> I'll post a 19x19 version if anyone is interested, but the lines will
> wrap around...
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It turns out that I did not turn off all of the stuff
that strengthened the random player - so hopefull
It turns out that I did not turn off all of the stuff
that strengthened the random player - so hopefully I
have much weaker players now.
(There was a bug that made the program too strong :-)
- Don
On Wed, 2006-12-27 at 21:34 -0500, Don Dailey wrote:
> I'm having an interesting problem - my hope
I'm having an interesting problem - my hope is to set
a random legal move making player (who doesn't fill
1 point eyes) at ELO zero.
I feel this would define a nice standard that is
easy to reproduce and verify experimentally and
at least would be a known quantity even 100 years
from now.
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