Re: [computer-go] Re: Big board. Temperature

2007-03-02 Thread alain Baeckeroot
Le vendredi 2 mars 2007 12:55, Jacques Basaldúa a écrit : > In CGT the temperature is the difference between the value if you play > and the value if you pass. Thanks for your lights :) Ok i better understand my confusion. In Go CGT-temperature applied to yose strongly looks like ordinary points (m

Re: [computer-go] Re: Big board. Temperature

2007-03-02 Thread Jacques Basaldúa
In CGT the temperature is the difference between the value if you play and the value if you pass. The name question should be answered by a native English speaker, but I guess it is an common use of the word "hot". Let's call it "hotness" ;-) Jacques. __

Re: [computer-go] Re: Big board. Temperature

2007-03-01 Thread alain Baeckeroot
Le jeudi 1 mars 2007 12:36, Nick Wedd a écrit : > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >(I propose to ban the term "temperature" from CGT, and replace it by "value", > >unless someone can explain the link with temperature in physics, and shows > >some identical properties ;-) > > This would be confusing.

Re: [computer-go] Re: Big board. Temperature

2007-03-01 Thread steve uurtamo
> Nowhere i find something explaining why it is a good name, > in the sense it is alike what all physicists call temperature (= more > or less global average of underlying agitation*density). you'll probably be happier just noting that it's an appropriation of the word 'temperature' in use in a di

Re: [computer-go] Re: Big board. Temperature

2007-03-01 Thread Al
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 steve uurtamo wrote: >> *: To avoid a bias due to pros recognizing and resigning lost games >> earlier, it'd have to be games that were actually scored and the size of >> the win was no more than around 4 pts. > > i don't think that i've ever seen a 1

Re: [computer-go] Re: Big board. Temperature

2007-03-01 Thread Nick Wedd
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, alain Baeckeroot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Physics temperature is a macroscopic description (global) of the underlying (un)-stability, so it comes to mind very quickly :) Unfortunately the term temperature used in Computer Game theory is misleading for physicists.

Re: [computer-go] Re: Big board. Temperature

2007-03-01 Thread steve uurtamo
> *: To avoid a bias due to pros recognizing and resigning lost games > earlier, it'd have to be games that were actually scored and the size of > the win was no more than around 4 pts. i don't think that i've ever seen a 15kyu game that was that close. s. _

Re: [computer-go] Re: Big board. Temperature

2007-03-01 Thread alain Baeckeroot
Le jeudi 1 mars 2007 11:51, Jason House a écrit : > alain Baeckeroot wrote: > > (I propose to ban the term "temperature" from CGT, and replace it by > > "value", > > unless someone can explain the link with temperature in physics, and shows > > some identical properties ;-) > > > While I bet mo

Re: [computer-go] Re: Big board. Temperature

2007-03-01 Thread Darren Cook
>> it is a rather small picture, but do the terminal positions of 19x19 >> games between very strong players show more fractal qualities (or some >> other physics "thing") than between, say, 15 kyu amateurs? > Yes. Pro games are near a limit of (un)-stability. ... > - Beginners are under critical

Re: [computer-go] Re: Big board. Temperature

2007-03-01 Thread Jason House
alain Baeckeroot wrote: (I propose to ban the term "temperature" from CGT, and replace it by "value", unless someone can explain the link with temperature in physics, and shows some identical properties ;-) While I bet most of us dislike the term, it seems to express an inherent concept. Ren

Re: [computer-go] Re: Big board. Temperature

2007-03-01 Thread alain Baeckeroot
Physics temperature is a macroscopic description (global) of the underlying (un)-stability, so it comes to mind very quickly :) Unfortunately the term temperature used in Computer Game theory is misleading for physicists. CGT-temperature = value of the best move in go, this has very little relation