Re: [computer-go] Re: more on languages

2007-11-22 Thread steve uurtamo
(1) the quality of the development environment. my development environment is an xterm. is that a handicap? s. Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage.

Re: [computer-go] Re: more on languages

2007-11-22 Thread Don Dailey
steve uurtamo wrote: (1) the quality of the development environment. my development environment is an xterm. is that a handicap? s. No, you are in a good development environment :-) - Don Get easy, one-click

Re: [computer-go] Re: more on languages

2007-11-22 Thread Benjamin Teuber
How about this conclusion: We all know that the choice of language depends on what you want to do with it. There are dynamic, well-supported but slow languages with many libraries like Ruby or Perl, which I'd want to use for something that doesn't need too heavy computation like GUI or web

[computer-go] Re: more on languages

2007-11-21 Thread Dave Dyer
I disagree with almost everything Donn wrote. Thanks to Moore's law, it is somewhere between unusual and rare for the execution speed penalty of the language to matter, and if it matters today (some but not all languages are fast enough), it won't matter when the program is finished. Thought

Re: [computer-go] Re: more on languages

2007-11-21 Thread Petr Baudis
On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 11:47:05AM -0800, Dave Dyer wrote: I disagree with almost everything Donn wrote. Thanks to Moore's law, it is somewhere between unusual and rare for the execution speed penalty of the language to matter, and if it matters today (some but not all languages are fast

Re: [computer-go] Re: more on languages

2007-11-21 Thread Don Dailey
Dave, The only thing that is fast enough is some fixed algorithm that tends to be boring.The whole reason for Moore's Law is that few people think their computers are fast enough.They will NEVER be fast enough and we will always want our computers to be faster because they clearly can do

[computer-go] Re: more on languages

2007-11-21 Thread Dave Dyer
Do you believe GO is not NP hard or that there is some intrinsic reason that a properly programmed computer would not benefit from more resources? You missed my point completely. As a programmer with finite resources, especially time, if I spend a year squeezing extra performance out of a

Re: [computer-go] Re: more on languages

2007-11-21 Thread Christoph Birk
On Nov 21, 2007, at 4:06 PM, Don Dailey wrote: However, for me the coding time is very small even though the development time is large. I spend more time thinking about the program than coding it, and I spend a great deal of time waiting on the computer, because I have no clue what will

Re: [computer-go] Re: more on languages

2007-11-21 Thread Colin Kern
On Nov 21, 2007 7:06 PM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You see to have very old-fashioned ideas about the whole programming philosophy.You take the view that a project like go is a fixed static task and that you must optimize the programmers time in typing in code. And then you