Re: [computer-go] playing strength of programmers
Sometimes players of roughly equal strength are strong for very different reasons. I've known chess players that were about expert strength that knew very little about the game, but they were very strong with tactics and rarely made a mistake. I also knew other player about the same strength that were amazingly weak at tactics but really understood strategy and played solidly. So I'll bet the type of player you are is just as important as how strong you are. - Don On Wed, 2007-09-12 at 13:16 +0100, Jacques Basaldúa wrote: > I agree with all those who say it is important, but there is some > precision to be made: > > As a player you are as strong as your weakest link because you are > punished for your mistakes. > > As a programmer you are a strong as your strongest link. You know that > mistakes are just mistakes, as long as you can identify them, your > program won't do them. > > My advice is: Read about advanced strategical concepts (in books, not > only sensei) and watch dan players until you understand what they do. > Don't worry about your own level. It will increase anyway, but you will > still be beaten by players who know less than you but are way more solid. > > Understanding dan level play is some orders of magnitude easier than > playing dan level. > > Jacques. > ___ > computer-go mailing list > computer-go@computer-go.org > http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] playing strength of programmers
I agree with all those who say it is important, but there is some precision to be made: As a player you are as strong as your weakest link because you are punished for your mistakes. As a programmer you are a strong as your strongest link. You know that mistakes are just mistakes, as long as you can identify them, your program won't do them. My advice is: Read about advanced strategical concepts (in books, not only sensei) and watch dan players until you understand what they do. Don't worry about your own level. It will increase anyway, but you will still be beaten by players who know less than you but are way more solid. Understanding dan level play is some orders of magnitude easier than playing dan level. Jacques. ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] playing strength of programmers
There are some subtle distinctions to make when thinking about slack moves, though. Some strong moves simply solidify a connection enough to make a large region of the board come under more influence to be used later. This is really difficult to measure, because these moves often can serve several purposes, depending upon what happens later in the game. They aren't necessary, they don't immediately threaten anything, and they're not providing life for a group under threat of death. Instead, they are just setting the stage for changing the direction of play later. They may look like slack moves, but they aren't, and it can be difficult to time them, much less find them. Some stronger players can laugh at my description now. :) s. - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: computer-go@computer-go.org Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:45:18 PM Subject: Re: [computer-go] playing strength of programmers 1) The strongest players I've known personally have been extremely articulate about what they were doing & why; one used to practice explaining every move he made to his opponent. 2) I'm not that strong, myself--so you may take this with suitable seasoning. I think the main advantage of personal go strength is having enough experience of the game that you have a sense of the size of the tree-space, the critical importance of correct move-order & of the need to prune that search-tree. Anyone who thinks his program can afford to make a slack move... just doesn't understand the game's requirements. Forrest Curo - This email was sent using AIS WebMail. http://www.americanis.net/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] playing strength of programmers
1) The strongest players I've known personally have been extremely articulate about what they were doing & why; one used to practice explaining every move he made to his opponent. 2) I'm not that strong, myself--so you may take this with suitable seasoning. I think the main advantage of personal go strength is having enough experience of the game that you have a sense of the size of the tree-space, the critical importance of correct move-order & of the need to prune that search-tree. Anyone who thinks his program can afford to make a slack move... just doesn't understand the game's requirements. Forrest Curo - This email was sent using AIS WebMail. http://www.americanis.net/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
