Re: [computer-go] Some cgos 19x19 suggestions
I like the idea of using Bayesian ELO ratings instead. They should adapt better and faster. It would give better rank confidence than the current k factor. For example, kartofel would have kept a low confidence. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2008, at 11:51 AM, David Fotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] games.com wrote: First, thank you very much, Don, for giving us a reliable 19x19 server. Please consider increasing the time a program stays on the list until it ages off. I guess you drop programs from the ratings page after some time that depends on the number of games they have played. Since 19x19 games take 4 times longs, it seems you should allow four times as much time to age off the list, for the same number of games. I like seeing the top program's results a little longer. It would be nice if a program can get into position more quickly. Since the games take longer, it can take several days to climb up from the initial 1200 to 2000, especially if there is an early loos. Does it make sense to set the initial k value a little higher, or to set the initial rating to 1500 instead of 1200? -David ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Some cgos 19x19 suggestions
On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 14:15 -0400, Don Dailey wrote: I will also modify the server so that losses by anchors don't count. Woops, what I mean is losses on TIME won't count. They will still count if the opponent loses but not if the anchor loses. - Don ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Some cgos 19x19 suggestions
one more thing -- you may want to keep anchors from playing one another. at least, i seem to recall that i saw two anchors playing one another. it can't (by definition) affect anyone's ratings, so... probably pointless for them to do so, right? s. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 14:15 -0400, Don Dailey wrote: I will also modify the server so that losses by anchors don't count. Woops, what I mean is losses on TIME won't count. They will still count if the opponent loses but not if the anchor loses. - Don ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Some cgos 19x19 suggestions
On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 14:35 -0700, steve uurtamo wrote: one more thing -- you may want to keep anchors from playing one another. at least, i seem to recall that i saw two anchors playing one another. it can't (by definition) affect anyone's ratings, so... probably pointless for them to do so, right? Yes, that is something I have been planning to do for a long time but haven't bothered since previously we rarely had more than 1 anchor at a time. - Don s. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Don Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 14:15 -0400, Don Dailey wrote: I will also modify the server so that losses by anchors don't count. Woops, what I mean is losses on TIME won't count. They will still count if the opponent loses but not if the anchor loses. - Don ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Some cgos 19x19 suggestions
david, is mfgo-12-0805-2c really over 400 ELO better than mfgo-11, as cgos seems to suggest? or is mfgo11 still rising up into place? thanks, s. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 8:51 AM, David Fotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, thank you very much, Don, for giving us a reliable 19x19 server. Please consider increasing the time a program stays on the list until it ages off. I guess you drop programs from the ratings page after some time that depends on the number of games they have played. Since 19x19 games take 4 times longs, it seems you should allow four times as much time to age off the list, for the same number of games. I like seeing the top program's results a little longer. It would be nice if a program can get into position more quickly. Since the games take longer, it can take several days to climb up from the initial 1200 to 2000, especially if there is an early loos. Does it make sense to set the initial k value a little higher, or to set the initial rating to 1500 instead of 1200? -David ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Some cgos 19x19 suggestions
Here are the current ratings using bayeselo of program on the 19x19 server. I have a script in place so that I can update this at will and I may run this every few hours or so, probably starting tomorrow. http://cgos.boardspace.net/19x19/bayes_19x19.html - Don On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 08:51 -0700, David Fotland wrote: First, thank you very much, Don, for giving us a reliable 19x19 server. Please consider increasing the time a program stays on the list until it ages off. I guess you drop programs from the ratings page after some time that depends on the number of games they have played. Since 19x19 games take 4 times longs, it seems you should allow four times as much time to age off the list, for the same number of games. I like seeing the top program's results a little longer. It would be nice if a program can get into position more quickly. Since the games take longer, it can take several days to climb up from the initial 1200 to 2000, especially if there is an early loos. Does it make sense to set the initial k value a little higher, or to set the initial rating to 1500 instead of 1200? -David ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
RE: [computer-go] Some cgos 19x19 suggestions
Thanks. This is more like what I would expect. About 80 elo points between mfgo 1 cpu and 2 cpu (like other programs), and many faces 11 a little higher rated. Does anyone know whose program is rz-74? I'm trying to catch mogo, crazystone, and leela by September, and I'm curious if there will be other strong competition. David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:computer-go- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Dailey Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:02 PM To: computer-go Subject: Re: [computer-go] Some cgos 19x19 suggestions Here are the current ratings using bayeselo of program on the 19x19 server. I have a script in place so that I can update this at will and I may run this every few hours or so, probably starting tomorrow. http://cgos.boardspace.net/19x19/bayes_19x19.html - Don On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 08:51 -0700, David Fotland wrote: First, thank you very much, Don, for giving us a reliable 19x19 server. Please consider increasing the time a program stays on the list until it ages off. I guess you drop programs from the ratings page after some time that depends on the number of games they have played. Since 19x19 games take 4 times longs, it seems you should allow four times as much time to age off the list, for the same number of games. I like seeing the top program's results a little longer. It would be nice if a program can get into position more quickly. Since the games take longer, it can take several days to climb up from the initial 1200 to 2000, especially if there is an early loos. Does it make sense to set the initial k value a little higher, or to set the initial rating to 1500 instead of 1200? -David ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
Re: [computer-go] Some cgos 19x19 suggestions
You will notice that no program has a great deal of confidence. Even Gnugo the anchor is plus or minus 50 ELO. I combined ALL Gnugo anchors into 1 entity for rating purposes. It appears on the charts as Gnugo-3.7.10-a0 and does not have a cross-table entry. I also did the one time removal of all games lost on time for the 19x19 server. I purge everything including the SGF files for those games. Most of them had no moves played or perhaps only 1 move. - Don On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 22:01 -0400, Don Dailey wrote: Here are the current ratings using bayeselo of program on the 19x19 server. I have a script in place so that I can update this at will and I may run this every few hours or so, probably starting tomorrow. http://cgos.boardspace.net/19x19/bayes_19x19.html - Don On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 08:51 -0700, David Fotland wrote: First, thank you very much, Don, for giving us a reliable 19x19 server. Please consider increasing the time a program stays on the list until it ages off. I guess you drop programs from the ratings page after some time that depends on the number of games they have played. Since 19x19 games take 4 times longs, it seems you should allow four times as much time to age off the list, for the same number of games. I like seeing the top program's results a little longer. It would be nice if a program can get into position more quickly. Since the games take longer, it can take several days to climb up from the initial 1200 to 2000, especially if there is an early loos. Does it make sense to set the initial k value a little higher, or to set the initial rating to 1500 instead of 1200? -David ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
