Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament

2017-10-27 Thread Hideki Kato
Oh, I didn't notice. S sad. Since AlphaGo, almost all academic organizations have stopped development but, instead, companies and privates are very actively developing these days. Perhaps, many of them don't know this tournament. Hideki Hiroshi Yamashita:

Re: [Computer-go] Source code (Was: Reducing network size? (Was: AlphaGo Zero))

2017-10-27 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 27-10-17 00:33, Shawn Ligocki wrote: > But the data should be different for different komi values, right? > Iteratively producing self-play games and training with the goal of > optimizing for komi 7 should converge to a different optimal player > than optimizing for komi 5. For the policy

Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament

2017-10-27 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 26-10-17 09:43, Nick Wedd wrote: > Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com > , with the words "KGS Tournament Registration" > in the email title. > With the falling interest in these events since the advent of AlphaGo, > it is likely that this will be the

Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament

2017-10-27 Thread Nick Wedd
Hi Hiroshi, Thank you for entering. AyaMC is now registered. Regards, Nick On 27 October 2017 at 00:06, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: > Hi Nick, > > this will be the last of the series of KGS bot tournaments. >> > > Thank you for holding KGS tournament since 2005. > On CGOS,

Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament

2017-10-27 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi, I would like to thank Nick very much, too. When I was working on Crazy Stone, these tournaments were a great source of motivation and enjoyment. I'll keep particularly good memories of the KGS-tournament parties in Tokyo. So, thanks Nick for a great contribution to our community. Rémi

Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament

2017-10-27 Thread Darren Cook
> Since AlphaGo, almost all academic organizations have > stopped development but, ... In Japan, or globally? Either way, what domain(s)/problem(s) have they switched into studying? Darren ___ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

2017-10-27 Thread Xavier Combelle
Maybe I'm wrong but both curves for alphago zero looks pretty similar except than the figure 3 is the zoom in of figure 6 Le 27 oct. 2017 04:31, "Gian-Carlo Pascutto" a écrit : > Figure 6 has the same graph as Figure 3 but for 40 blocks. You can compare > the Elo. > > On Thu,

[Computer-go] AI RYUSEI 2017, new Computer Go tournament

2017-10-27 Thread Hiroshi Yamashita
Hi, AI RYUSEI 2017, new Computer Go tournament will be held in December 9 and 10 in Akihabara, Tokyo, Japan. This is a successor of UEC Cup. First day is preliminary league, swiss 7R. Second day is tournament for top 16 programs. AI RYUSEI 2017 http://www.igoshogi.net/ai_ryusei/01/en/ Thanks,

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

2017-10-27 Thread Petri Pitkanen
You playing strength is anecdotal evidence. And quite often going through just systematic way your thinking is more valuable than the actual end product. As it programs you subconscious decision making. You said that it is not part of your decision making but that is unlikely to be true. People do

Re: [Computer-go] Source code (Was: Reducing network size? (Was: AlphaGo Zero))

2017-10-27 Thread terry mcintyre via Computer-go
I'm sorry, did I miss soemthing here?  On Friday, October 27, 2017, 5:46:19 AM EDT, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: On 27-10-17 00:33, Shawn Ligocki wrote: > But the data should be different for different komi values, right? > Iteratively producing self-play games and

Re: [Computer-go] Source code (Was: Reducing network size? (Was: AlphaGo Zero))

2017-10-27 Thread David Wu
I suspect the reason they were able to reasonably train a value net with multiple komi at the same time was because the training games they used in that paper were generated by a pure policy net, rather than by a MCTS player, where the policy net was trained from human games. Although humans give

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

2017-10-27 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
On 27-10-17 10:15, Xavier Combelle wrote: > Maybe I'm wrong but both curves for alphago zero looks pretty similar > except than the figure 3 is the zoom in of figure 6 The blue curve in figure 3 is flat at around 60 hours (2.5 days). In figure 6, at 2.5 days the line is near vertical. So it is

Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament

2017-10-27 Thread Aja Huang
2017-10-27 8:15 GMT+01:00 Rémi Coulom : > Hi, > > I would like to thank Nick very much, too. When I was working on Crazy > Stone, these tournaments were a great source of motivation and enjoyment. > I'll keep particularly good memories of the KGS-tournament parties in Tokyo.

Re: [Computer-go] Zero is weaker than Master!?

2017-10-27 Thread Hideki Kato
Please read _through_ the paper sequentially. #I don't have enough skill to describe the reason because it's not a technical but language issue. Hideki >I don't understand which element makes you say that >section 2 and 3 are all for a 20 block instance > > >Le 27/10/2017 E01:49, Hideki Kato a

Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament

2017-10-27 Thread Hideki Kato
Darren Cook: <92a6a6a9-4bb9-d8a8-fdca-4276a5ce1...@dcook.org>: >> Since AlphaGo, almost all academic organizations have >> stopped development but, ... > >In Japan, or globally? Either way, what domain(s)/problem(s) have they >switched into studying? Global. Some told me that there will be no

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

2017-10-27 Thread uurtamo .
By way of comparison. It would be ludicrous to ask a world champion chess player to explain their strategy in a "programmable" way. it would certainly result in a player much worse than the best computer player, if it were to be coded up, even if you spent 40 years decoding intuition, etc, and

Re: [Computer-go] November KGS bot tournament

2017-10-27 Thread David Doshay
Hi Nick, It is 10 years since my program SlugGo was participating in, and briefly winning, the KGS bot tournaments and I have admired your dedication over these years. Thank you for the effort.; it did bring us together as a community and helped us collectively push the state of the art

Re: [Computer-go] AlphaGo Zero SGF - Free Use or Copyright?

2017-10-27 Thread Robert Jasiek
On 27.10.2017 13:58, Petri Pitkanen wrote: doubt that your theory is any better than some competing ones. For some specialised topics, it is evident that my theory is better or belongs to the few applicable theories (often by other amateur-player researchers) worth considering. For a broad