Re: [CGUYS] Pro Apple Agitprop (on topic!)

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Rigby
On Aug 15, 2007, at 6:10 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: It's getting hard to find reasons to buy a Windows PC, aside from sheer inertia. Windows PCs used to be far more cost-effective than Macs, but no longer. Macs can now compete hard with PCs on cost, for all but the very cheapest, sub-$600

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location

2007-08-16 Thread Jeff Morris
I have never had any problems with health care in the United States. NONE. My family has always received great care. We are not rich, and we live in a rural area in the midwest. Our EMT's are volunteers and our hospital is non-profit and operates in the black.

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location

2007-08-16 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
Good for you Jeff, but does that prove anything? How about the 45.000.000 without insurance? The ones who fall into the crack between insurance and medicaid. DonĀ“t they count?... Marcio At 08:41 AM 8/16/2007, Jeff Morris wrote: I have never had any problems with health care in the United

Re: [CGUYS] Pro Apple Agitprop (on topic!)

2007-08-16 Thread Snyder, Mark
Steve, I would start by creating user accounts for them, or at least for some logical sub-group. I would also invite them to a demonstration where you help someone set up their desktop preferences and show them how to do some basic real-world tasks. Then invite them to use their personal

Re: [CGUYS] Pro Apple Agitprop (on topic!)

2007-08-16 Thread mike
People are normally afraid of unknown items, give em time, sit them down and show them how to use it, the mac isn't going to show them how to use itself. The faxing seems to be a perfect example, explain you want the wasting of paper to stop and use that to get them on the computer. Don't give

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location

2007-08-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
I have never had any problems with health care in the United States. NONE. My family has always received great care. We are not rich, and we live in a rural area in the midwest. Our EMT's are volunteers and our hospital is non-profit and operates in the black. You have just been fortunate.

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location (off topic)

2007-08-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
It is possible to cover everyone for health insurance, we just have to change the way we think, and as you said take the profit motive out of the equation. Well Rev. the wing nuts believe that everything ought to be for profit. Even their mega churches are for-profit corporations paying big

Re: [CGUYS] Pro Apple Agitprop (on topic!)

2007-08-16 Thread mike
Uh oh...undesirables...next we'll hear we have to cull all pc users from the population. It's too bad those pesky pixar people are undesirableusing non macs to make cars... Mike On 8/16/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might also want to point out that creative people

Re: [CGUYS] Pro Apple Agitprop (on topic!)

2007-08-16 Thread Chris Dunford
Uh oh...undesirables...next we'll hear we have to cull all pc users from the population. First they came for Windows fanboys, and I said nothing because I was not a Windows fanboy... * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE -

Re: [CGUYS] Canvas Customer Exclusive! Reserve your copy of Canvas 11 for $99.99 and get ACDSee Pro

2007-08-16 Thread Alvin Auerbach
I'm a registered user, and a Mac owner, and I was about to pony up my 100 bucks, when I read: Canvas 11 is available for Windows only. I don't understand this. With the increasing popularity of the Mac, and (my assumption) that's it's not that difficult to port a Win-intel version to a

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location (off topic)

2007-08-16 Thread Alvin Auerbach
Most people do not understand that we have only one political party in this nation. It's the Corporation Party. It has two wings, the Democratic Wing and the Republican Wing. Each wing draws voter support from a different base, but what counts is money support, and for each wing, that comes

Re: [CGUYS] Pro Apple Agitprop (on topic!)

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Rigby
On Aug 16, 2007, at 9:18 AM, mike wrote: People are normally afraid of unknown items, give em time, sit them down and show them how to use it, the mac isn't going to show them how to use itself. The faxing seems to be a perfect example, explain you want the wasting of paper to stop and use

Re: [CGUYS] Pro Apple Agitprop (on topic!)

2007-08-16 Thread mike
What do they say they are afraid of? If they have trouble with camera cards on any system, it sounds as if they aren't the brightest bulbs anyway. Is this your shop or is it owned by another? Mike On 8/16/07, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 16, 2007, at 9:11 AM, Snyder, Mark

[CGUYS] Missing messages?

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Rigby
On Aug 16, 2007, at 10:51 AM, mike wrote: Uh oh...undesirables...next we'll hear we have to cull all pc users from the population. It's too bad those pesky pixar people are undesirableusing non macs to make cars... Mike On 8/16/07, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages?

2007-08-16 Thread Andy Gallant
different but maybe related - i've been getting messages out of order. many times, i see the reply to a message before i receive the original message. at least, it looks that way when i compare the timestamps ... ymmv -andy /snip/ Upon seeing this message which is a response to something

Re: [CGUYS] Pro Apple Agitprop (on topic!)

2007-08-16 Thread Constance Warner
Also the idea they have been trained to be afraid because they don't use a mac is beyond ridiculous, they might be bristling at this notion. I don't know--people can have very odd phobias sometimes. I remember working as a temp at the Brookings Institution (the natives call it The Brookings,

Re: [CGUYS] Pro Apple Agitprop (on topic!)

2007-08-16 Thread Admiral Harris
Steve, I'm assuming from everything you've written that you don't have a lot of experience in change management. As much as you'd like to believe that its an evil M$ cult going on in your shop, the truth is, if you required them to have cream of pumpkin soup every week, you'd have about the

Re: [CGUYS] Sicko -- discussion location (off topic)

2007-08-16 Thread Jeff Miles
I have to mostly agree with this. Though those who can't afford it do get it, and this is what raises the cost for those who can afford it. In 2003 I was diagnosed with Congestive Heart Failure. At the time I had no health insurance and no job. I was treated anyway with several EKGs and

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages?

2007-08-16 Thread Robert
Occasionally I notice missing messages, but more frequently a reply to a message shows up well before the original message arrives. Steve Rigby wrote: On Aug 16, 2007, at 10:51 AM, mike wrote: Uh oh...undesirables...next we'll hear we have to cull all pc users from the population. It's too

[CGUYS] iphoto library

2007-08-16 Thread Josh Byrd
my iphoto library is way to big and besides exporting the photos to dvds and such is there a good program that will strip out the saved origenals and the empty folders from my library? i am looking at iphoto diet but would like some collective wisdom before i screw things up. ibook g4, 10.3.9,

Re: [CGUYS] iphoto library

2007-08-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
my iphoto library is way to big and besides exporting the photos to dvds and such is there a good program that will strip out the saved origenals and the empty folders from my library? Buy an external terabyte drive for $300 and never have to worry about storage space again.

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages?

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Rigby
On Aug 16, 2007, at 4:46 PM, Andy Gallant wrote: different but maybe related - i've been getting messages out of order. many times, i see the reply to a message before i receive the original message. at least, it looks that way when i compare the timestamps ... ymmv I have seen that as

Re: [CGUYS] Pro Apple Agitprop (on topic!)

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Rigby
On Aug 16, 2007, at 3:32 PM, mike wrote: What do they say they are afraid of? If they have trouble with camera cards on any system, it sounds as if they aren't the brightest bulbs anyway. Is this your shop or is it owned by another? The shop is not mine. I just work there. The other

Re: [CGUYS] Pro Apple Agitprop (on topic!)

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Rigby
On Aug 16, 2007, at 5:05 PM, Admiral Harris wrote: Steve, I'm assuming from everything you've written that you don't have a lot of experience in change management. As much as you'd like to believe that its an evil M$ cult going on in your shop, the truth is, if you required them to have

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages?

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Rigby
On Aug 16, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Robert wrote: Occasionally I notice missing messages, but more frequently a reply to a message shows up well before the original message arrives. Ditto. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND

Re: [CGUYS] OEM vs Compatible Epson Ink jet cartridges

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Rigby
On Aug 14, 2007, at 8:48 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Epson needs the money. Didn't Epson have to make a big payout in that class action lawsuit about a year ago concerning their ink cartridges and how they would indicate Empty when they still had considerable ink remaining? Steve

Re: [CGUYS] Missing messages?

2007-08-16 Thread b_s-wilk
Time stamp and delays depend on reliability and location of outgoing and incoming servers, unless your battery is getting weak. I usually use a U.S. based server, but when there's high traffic, I switch to one of Yahoo's foreign servers. I'm curious about time stamps, so I'm using a server in