Re: [CGUYS] Cable vs DSL ( was Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop)

2008-03-16 Thread Tom Piwowar
Unfortunately, that relies on security built-in to cable modems. Some people have figured out how to put their cable modems into something called promiscuous mode (ethernet cards support this as well), which allows them to receive any packet being sent on the local wire (usually a neighborhood).

Re: [CGUYS] Cable vs DSL ( was Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop)

2008-03-16 Thread mike
Again this is in theory. I'm suppose to worry about Dave, my neighbor down the street whom I borrowed hedge trimmers from last summer becoming angry and learning to program cable modems? With the DOCSIS based cable modems standard now security is as good as on DSL lines. On top of that, even

[CGUYS] Cable vs DSL ( was Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop)

2008-03-15 Thread Stephen Brownfield
All this cable/DSL talk got me wondering: Is DSL any more secure/safer than cable or vis-a-versa? Tom Piwowar wrote: I never knock the competition. All I can say is that in Verizon territory, you pay for 3 mbps, you get 3 mbps, or a reasonable facsimile. That has been my experience

Re: [CGUYS] Cable vs DSL ( was Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop)

2008-03-15 Thread Alan Warshawer
I don't know how far anecdotal evidence can resolve this issue but here is my experience. I was a verizon DSL subscriber from the beginning in the Washington DC area. I was paying for 3MB, Verizon stated that they could only give me 1.5MB. and my usual experience ( from the Verizon speed test

Re: [CGUYS] Cable vs DSL ( was Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop)

2008-03-15 Thread Fred Holmes
Logical security? I don't see any basis for any difference. Physical security? No matter what's in the cable (copper twisted pair, copper coax, or fiber), there would be little difference, i.e. if it's strung on poles, a falling tree would part it, but physical strength would make some

Re: [CGUYS] Cable vs DSL ( was Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop)

2008-03-15 Thread Tom Piwowar
All this cable/DSL talk got me wondering: Is DSL any more secure/safer than cable or vis-a-versa? Depends on how it is connected. Old-style provisioning, that did not use a router/firewall, had you sharing your home network with 500 neighbors. So you could print stuff out on your neighbor's

Re: [CGUYS] Cable vs DSL ( was Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop)

2008-03-15 Thread mike
Cable systems are built on ethernet technology, this is where the idea that you share your connection with the rest of the neighborhood, you are basically on the same network. Most if not all current cable modems are built to filter out packets not meant for your IP therefore the old story of

Re: [CGUYS] Cable vs DSL ( was Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop)

2008-03-15 Thread Tom Piwowar
After many conversations with various Verizon Tech Support people, I am highly aware that that DSL speed is highly dependent on distance from the local central office. Therefore, other people may have a different average speed from their DSL We tend to forget that DSL is an amazing trick to get

Re: [CGUYS] Cable vs DSL ( was Verizon DSL Service Dry Loop)

2008-03-15 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, mike wrote: Cable systems are built on ethernet technology, this is where the idea that you share your connection with the rest of the neighborhood, you are basically on the same network. Most if not all current cable modems are built to filter out packets not meant for