(Damn it, I didn't fix the subject: tag again. Sorry.)
I will grant that you can argue this both ways. The way I remember
it, version 5.0 was never more than a developer preview, 5.2 was
the first true OS X version, and there were big differences in the
rendering engine between versions. IE
Bottom like is that OS X is extremely hard to hack and these are
still no viruses in the wild that attack Macs. Meanwhile there have
been 10,000s that have attacked Windows. The latest (June) WildList
(http://www.wildlist.org/WildList) shows 753 viruses currently
circulating in the wild that
On Jul 29, 2009, at 7:56 AM, Jeff Wright wrote:
I've noticed that Apple has stopped updating software on 10.3 systems.
QuickTime, Safari and iTunes are way out of patch on some of my
Macs and
Software Update shows nothing amiss. Odd for a company to abandon
a product
after only 4 or 5
Apple supports the current and previous versions of the OS. They price their
OS upgrades very reasonably and they have a quality product (not Vista). It
is easy for their customers to keep up and they get lots of value with each
upgrade. It makes little sense to support X.3.
I should add that
Don't they sell those on late night cable tv?
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote:
Never mind, I get it, it's just the patented Piwowar Hypocrisy Pump in
action again.
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Now you know what killed Billy Mays.
Don't they sell those on late night cable tv?
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Never mind, I get it, it's just the patented Piwowar Hypocrisy Pump in
action again.
On Jul 29, 2009, at 10:48 AM, TPiwowar wrote:
Apple supports the current and previous versions of the OS. They
price their OS upgrades very reasonably and they have a quality
product (not Vista). It is easy for their customers to keep up and
they get lots of value with each upgrade. It
Exactly. He found the exploit and wrote it in a couple hours...took over
the mac in about as much time as it takes to go to a web page. Same way
most windows machines are taken over.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:
But is that not what
Mike, can you defend this couple of hours with reference? I recall
reading that he spent several days or a few weeks finding the
vulnerability and writing the exploit script before the Pwn2own
competition (I searched, but found no reference to offer).
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
-Original
On Jul 23, 2009, at 10:36 AM, mike wrote:
Exactly. He found the exploit and wrote it in a couple
hours...took over
the mac in about as much time as it takes to go to a web page.
Same way
most windows machines are taken over.
So now 30 seconds morphs into a couple hours. If I took the
On Jul 22, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
But is that not what most hackers do?
In 30 seconds?
Not even Windows is that easy.
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Tom you either did not read what I wrote, or misunderstood.
They all do their homework.
That is what makes these dudes/dudettes so dangerous. They find the
exploits and write the code for them.
And given time I am sure they wills tart working on hacking Mac's
more often and finding the
Tom didn't misunderstand, he just refuses reality. His apple fan bois-ism
is too meaningful to him.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:
Tom you either did not read what I wrote, or misunderstood.
They all do their homework.
That is what
Sure.
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11461
Note Dai Zovi admits to being a mac fanboy also. Here is a relevant few
paragraphs. I love at the end where he practically talks to Tom. In all he
found the flaw friday morning, wrote the exploit in a couple hours and then
the exploit took seconds
I see where you get that from, but for me, the fact that this all occurs
over months (Several months ago, he had done some poking around the Mac
OS X's operating system and applications looking for vulnerabilities and
found a few promising places) leaves me with a different sense of
timing.
Thank
This is no different than what the hackers do with WinOS.
You think they find the exploits over night?
It takes some skill and work to do it.
Now before you blast me let me say this.
All OS's are exploitable. Some make it easier than others so they
gravitate to this,
Plus remember with
I don't know, I took him at his word. He looked at OS X as a whole and
found some questionable places...friday he went looking again and actually
found the exploit (he had not found this before this) and within a couple
hours wrote an exploit.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM
No blast, Rev; that was part of my point. Finding vulnerabilities and
creating exploits takes time and thought. Irrespective of which OS you
plan to attack.
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
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This is no different than what the hackers do with WinOS.
You think they find the
Okay: I go to the library and study for an undisclosed amount of time,
bring the results of my research home, and after several weeks or a few
months, I organize my notes and write a brief report from my notes in 15
minutes.
I would not then say that I just spent 15 minutes writing that report.
On Jul 23, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
You think they find the exploits over night?
It takes some skill and work to do it.
As I recall, I love you virus was written by somebody taking a
beginners VBS programming class, infecting 10 percent of all
computers connected to
On Jul 23, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
And given time I am sure they wills tart working on hacking Mac's
more often and finding the exploits.
Given time the Sun will supernova? So what -- I won't be here.
On Jul 23, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote:
Note Dai Zovi admits to being a mac fanboy also. Here is a
relevant few
paragraphs. I love at the end where he practically talks to Tom.
In all he
found the flaw friday morning, wrote the exploit in a couple hours
and then
the exploit took
Too true, mac os is safe regardless of it's less then stellar security, but
in the end, safe.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:43 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Jul 23, 2009, at 1:20 PM, mike wrote:
Note Dai Zovi admits to being a mac fanboy also. Here is a relevant few
paragraphs. I love
No just regular logic without your weird outlook. Less than stellar meaning
when put to the test as in the last few pwn to own contests, it fails. My
home has never been broken into...this does not lead me to believe that it
is an impossibility.
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:09 PM, t.piwowar
On Jul 23, 2009, at 5:50 PM, mike wrote:
Too true, mac os is safe regardless of it's less then stellar
security, but
in the end, safe.
How do you define less then stellar security?
Looking at Apple's excellent record and then looking at M$'s
defective product, WFBs declare that Apple
On Jul 23, 2009, at 7:42 PM, mike wrote:
No just regular logic without your weird outlook. Less than
stellar meaning
when put to the test as in the last few pwn to own contests, it
fails. My
home has never been broken into...this does not lead me to believe
that it
is an impossibility.
Depends on where you live.
Stewart
At 09:42 PM 7/23/2009, you wrote:
Fantasy land. So when the cops come to your house to do a security
audit do you think you have been burglarized? How silly.
Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/20/advanced_mac_osx_rootkits/
Advanced rootkit design techniques from a OS X security expert. You know
the guy that hacked a mac in like 30 seconds.
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On Jul 22, 2009, at 6:38 PM, mike wrote:
Advanced rootkit design techniques from a OS X security expert.
You know
the guy that hacked a mac in like 30 seconds.
He didn't hack a Mac in 30 seconds. He ran a prepared script. Big
difference.
But is that not what most hackers do?
They examine and look at the OS they want to hack and then through
trial and error find the way to do it.
Stewart
At 07:23 PM 7/22/2009, you wrote:
He didn't hack a Mac in 30 seconds. He ran a prepared script. Big
difference.
Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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