Alvin I agree you 100% and could make other criticisms
about our electoral/legislative processes, but it is probably
off topic (though not any more so than the history of stuff).
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Alvin you are too cynical and too off topic too.
Alvin you are too cynical and too off topic too.
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On Jan 10, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:
Recall the rigged California gas pumps of a few years ago. Observing
that
the state pump testers consistently bought certain quantities of gas
the
pumps were programmed to not cheat customers who bought those specific
amounts. Due to this, it
I think I found the perfect voting machine that a few of you have
described using in the past.
I found a punch card voting expert who emailed me some links (below) to
the device. It's called DataVote and I think it's great in its
inexpensive simplicity and surety. They could keep its retro
db wrote:
I read an article about those or similar machines. Partly because
of the printer size issue and partly because of the cost, the
printers they built in were small and cheap. That made them hard
to load by the volunteer ... often senior citizen ... staff.
Our machines use tape
I completely agree! (I was only pointing out that the electronic
machines we have do work, even if they are pretty well kluged up.) The
previous system was a very simple system using optical scanning of a
simple marked paper ballot. It produced the original voter-marked
ballot, a tape count,
-- http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/voting/pictures/datavote.jpg
-- http://americanhistory.si.edu/vote/resources_datavote.html
This is the one. Worked real nice.
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... they print a zero tape at the beginning of the voting day and
then a final tally tape at the end. And the vote counts have to
match meters on the front of the machines ...
This is the answer I got from my polling place in Montgomery county,
MD in 2004. Sure, if the number of total votes
And, we've spent how many billions of dollars (supposedly) to bring democracy
to Iraq? Why can't the federal government spend just a tiny fraction of that
money to bring a single, standard voting system to our own country?
Because the big entrenched special interest groups have worked for
We use words in our thoughts and propagandists like to give us the
wrong words so that we will think the wrong thoughts.
They repeatedly use the word Democracy to describe our form of
government, and we all follow along and use Democracy also. The word
Democracy makes us think that we have
Our county uses Sequoia machines that run on Windows 2000. They produce:
a count on the hard drive, a CD-R, a count on a memory stick, and a
paper ballot (that is stored in a sealed bin). The paper ballot can be
viewed through a Plexi-glass window prior to the voter pressing the key
for the
I like the system that we had in Montgomery County, Maryland, before
we received the Diebold machines.
It was a punch card system.
No, not the notorious Florida system where you use a pencil to poke
out previously scored circles.
It was a system that used an IBM card and a hand pressed
I think you have captured the essence of the problem accurately. It's
all about the money...
db
Alvin Auerbach wrote:
I like the system that we had in Montgomery County, Maryland, before
we received the Diebold machines.
It was a punch card system.
No, not the notorious Florida system
It was a system that used an IBM card and a hand pressed punch, with
no electricity required. The card was inserted in the simple machine.
You could see the card at all times. You slid a pointer down until it
was next to your choice of candidate or issue. You then pressed down
I used to
I wonder what the brand of puncher was ... does anyone know?
In googling, I see reference mostly to the Votomatic that was
problematically used in Florida. There is an older Coyle model shown
in a photo in the following link:
http://americanhistory.si.edu/vote/punchcard.html
Tom Piwowar
Great long article in the NY Times...
Can You Count on Voting Machines?
snip
I saw an article ... somewhere ... about a proposal to
make vote verification much simpler. After voting,
you would be given a copy of a randomly selected ballot
that wasn't yours. The ballot would
Great long article in the NY Times...
Can You Count on Voting Machines?
www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06Vote-t.html?pagewanted=1ref=magazine
Perfection isnt possible, of course; every voting system has flaws. So
historically, the public and candidates for public office have
grudgingly
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