Re: [CGUYS] failure notice
Well, Netaxs is lying, either through ignorance or intentionally. They are indeed using a realtime blackhole list, www.uceprtotect.net, and blocking mail from Verizon mail servers. The UCEprotect methodology is here: http://www.uceprotect.net/en/index.php?m=3s=0 Level 1, which your Verizon servers are listed under, is here: http://www.uceprotect.net/en/index.php?m=3s=3 To be fair though, they aren't seeing it, but their mail servers are, which query the RBL/SLS database. But this is the problem with ISP filtering: they don't give you any mechanism for false positives, which remain a problem with spam filtering. No matter how good your system is, you will always have FPs. I've said it before: email is no longer a reliable form of communication. It's broken; don't depend on it. -Original Message- Here is something interesting that has been happening with good ol' Netaxs, now a part of PAETEC. Frequently I stop getting any kind of mail at this addie for, say 12 hours. I get the techs on the phone and they express varying degress of astonishment. Yes, this has happened pretty often recently. How do I know I'm not only not getting mail, but also just plain losing it? I send tests from my VZ account. Many of them never show up, others get returned with this fascinating message: Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: Recipient address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reason: Remote SMTP server has rejected address Diagnostic code: smtp;553 IP 206.46.173.1 is UCEPROTECT-Level 1 listed. See http://www.uceprotect.net/rblcheck.php?ipr=206.46.173.1 Remote system: dns;mail.netaxs.com (TCP|206.46.173.1|47535|207.8.186.26|25) (rblsmtpd.local) Reporting-MTA: dns;vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (tcp-daemon) Netaxs swears they have nothing to do with UCE et al. So how are they getting to see -and turn away!- my email? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Problems for windows safari users could spread to mac os
Anyone seen any technical discussion of this? It sounds like the flaw allows a denial-of-service attack by having thousands of files put on your desktop. But I bet there are technical articles that indicate if there is a significant problem security-wise. I noticed that all the related stories on this site were negative depictions of Apple. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 11:46 AM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I think too many actually use Safari on windows, but a word to the wise. Some words for OS X users too. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/31/microsoft_warns_against_apple_safari/ -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Problems for windows safari users could spread to m
Down to their last cards. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- So MS plays the fear card. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
Comments I've read from Windows programmers suggest that Apple's programmers may be a bit too naive about Windows. Despite hearing all the stories about Windows' foulness they still assume a higher level of quality and professionalism than Microsoft is able to deliver. Consequently problems like this fall through. Still, what is it about the Windows desktop that is particularly dangerous? Should I be concerned about keeping any files on the desktop? The last paragraph is the critical one for Tom to notice. * According to Raff, unless Apple patches the bug, more attacks like the one he found in IE are likely to pop up. This is not the only issue that can be combined with the Safari vulnerability, he said. If Microsoft fixes this, Safari users will still be vulnerable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] a list problem
I just received this email today (6/1/08). It is the first email since 1:30 am on 5/28/08. How do I know if my mail is bouncing back and what do I need to do to keep on the list? I think AOL was down over the weekend. The message I got said I wasn't able to establish an SMTP connection so that means AOL's inbound email server was down. It is now back up, so you need to do nothing on that score. If you are getting bounces for other reasons you may have to follow up. First thing to do is to just send the message again. Larger ISPs have multiple SMTP servers. Sometimes one gets blacklisted, but when you send again you have a good chance of getting a different SMTP server. If the bounce persists you need to talk to your ISP. If you think your are not getting mail from the list the first thing to check is the archives. This list is archived on two systems (details at cguys.org). That will give you something definite to show your ISP. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Problems for windows safari users could spread to m
The Dick Cheneys and Microsofts of the world count on your reliable response to the fear card. Your ready reaction turns the fear card into the Bingo! Card for them - every time. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Not that I'm a MS defender in the least, nor am I am Mac lover, but... MS is screwed either way. If they don't publicize the problem, then they'll be blamed because they knew about it and didn't do anything. They chose - what I consider the decent thing to do - to let people know about the problem. And they still get blamed for it. Personally, I'd rather have them play the fear card every single time than not. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Problems for windows safari users could spread to m
Not that I'm a MS defender in the least, nor am I am Mac lover, but... MS is screwed either way. If they don't publicize the problem, then they'll be blamed because they knew about it and didn't do anything. They chose - what I consider the decent thing to do - to let people know about the problem. And they still get blamed for it. Personally, I'd rather have them play the fear card every single time than not. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:19 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Problems for windows safari users could spread to m Not that I think too many actually use Safari on windows, but a word to the wise. Some words for OS X users too. I think the real reason for MS's fussing is that Safari is jumping ahead of Explorer at such a rapid rate. Safari already has lots of CSS 3 functionality working that is going to make web developers upset at being stuck with a backward IE browser. So MS plays the fear card. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
They are naive and code badly because of it? You keep spinning and yer gonna get dizzy. Apple also said they aren't going to fix the issue. Professionalism? Google apple microsoft zero day patch and you'll hit articles showing apple is so professional they lag behind in issuing zero day patches compared to MS. So to sum up. Safari has a flaw, that enables a second flaw in explorer to be exploited. MS is going to patch explorer, Apple has zero plans to patch even though when MS patches, the safari bug will still have security effects on the system. And you think MS is less professional then Apple is used to working with? Mike On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments I've read from Windows programmers suggest that Apple's programmers may be a bit too naive about Windows. Despite hearing all the stories about Windows' foulness they still assume a higher level of quality and professionalism than Microsoft is able to deliver. Consequently problems like this fall through. Still, what is it about the Windows desktop that is particularly dangerous? Should I be concerned about keeping any files on the desktop? The last paragraph is the critical one for Tom to notice. * According to Raff, unless Apple patches the bug, more attacks like the one he found in IE are likely to pop up. This is not the only issue that can be combined with the Safari vulnerability, he said. If Microsoft fixes this, Safari users will still be vulnerable. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] a list problem
Tom, I think you are right. Once the list got back up, I saw that i was not the only one with problems over the weekend. Steve Tom Piwowar wrote: I just received this email today (6/1/08). It is the first email since 1:30 am on 5/28/08. How do I know if my mail is bouncing back and what do I need to do to keep on the list? I think AOL was down over the weekend. The message I got said I wasn't able to establish an SMTP connection so that means AOL's inbound email server was down. It is now back up, so you need to do nothing on that score. If you are getting bounces for other reasons you may have to follow up. First thing to do is to just send the message again. Larger ISPs have multiple SMTP servers. Sometimes one gets blacklisted, but when you send again you have a good chance of getting a different SMTP server. If the bounce persists you need to talk to your ISP. If you think your are not getting mail from the list the first thing to check is the archives. This list is archived on two systems (details at cguys.org). That will give you something definite to show your ISP. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FYI: Safari on the Windows Platform
So to sum up. Safari has a flaw, that enables a second flaw in explorer to be exploited. MS is going to patch explorer, Apple has zero plans to patch even though when MS patches, the safari bug will still have security effects on the system. And you think MS is less professional then Apple is used to working with? Should Apple start issuing patches for Windows? I know that in the past some small security companies have stepped in when MS could not figure out what to patch, but for Apple to start doing this would be a major step. Gosh look how apoplectic the Windows fan bois got when Apple starting running a software update application for just their own iTunes/QuickTime software. I think Apple is right to stand back and tell MS to fix its crappy OS. Why should every app developer have to code around an OS problem that only needs to be fixed once by the owner of the OS? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
