[CGUYS] Ghosting Windows
I put out a proposal here at the office to get a number of notebooks and in order to keep them all in the same state, we'd ghost one and apply the image to the rest. My understanding is that a Windows license is mapped to a MAC address - is that true? Has anyone done this before where you'd still have a valid and uncrippled version of Windows for every unit? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Wireless Printing but not Scanning
Thanks for the responses to this question. The answers appear consistent, so I'm convinced. Live and learn. [And sorry Stewart for the inadvertent email.] -- Forwarded Message From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 18:08:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Wireless Printing but not Scanning Unless the software is specifically set up for network scanning it cant be done. To do network scanning the scanner must be accessible via the ethernet port. Most scanners are not setup this way, and if they are usually have a much higher price tag. Stewart At 04:07 PM 10/9/2007, you wrote: I have my Epson printer/scanner plugged into my (Apple Extreme) router and am able to print just fine from any computer in my apartment. However, when I try to scan a document using the same printer/scanner and the same setup -- I run into trouble. When I open the Epson Scan utility on my iMac I get a message that ³Epson Scan cannot be started.² If I plug the printer/scanner directly into my iMac, Epson Scan starts up and functions normally. The wireless connection is obviously the issue. But why? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- End of Forwarded Message * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] XP Pro n' AHA-19160/39320
If anyone is confused by the subject, I apologize. I put it that way for simplicity. In the past week, I have had a problem that has, sort of flip-flopped. I originally had an AHA-19160 in my tower until, my hard drive seemingly disappeared from the card's BIOS. While the drive disappeared from the BIOS, XP Pro still recognized it. I decided, I would go ahead and, upgrade the AHA-19160 to, the AHA-39320 since, I bought it a couple months ago but, never installed it. After installing the AHA-39320, the hard drive shows up fine but, when trying to install XP Pro, the drive can't be found. This keeps me from installing XP Pro on the drive. I have been searching all over the Net for, situations like this. I have found some but, the solutions were not the right ones'. Christopher * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro n' AHA-19160/39320
Tony, I laughed at myself, when you asked that question. That was rather vague of me. The AHA-19160 and, AHA-39320 are Host Adapters, made by Adaptec. As for the prompt, I see that, when I try to install XP Pro but, when I press F6, nothing happens. I know nothing is wrong with the keyboard. Christopher * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro n' AHA-19160/39320
Note that you must connect a floppy drive first, and it must be enabled in the BIOS. And it's gotta have a driver on it (check their website). On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony, I laughed at myself, when you asked that question. That was rather vague of me. The AHA-19160 and, AHA-39320 are Host Adapters, made by Adaptec. As for the prompt, I see that, when I try to install XP Pro but, when I press F6, nothing happens. I know nothing is wrong with the keyboard. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Ghosting Windows
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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?
Why don't you contact her publisher? Publishers usually handle much of the PR for their authors and handle requests like yours. They also set up web pages to publicize and sell their books. Writers who are also in practice and teaching don't usually do, or even have, their own web sites. Take or audit one of her classes. Sign up for a lecture or lecture series. Find out if you know any of her students. Read all of her books. BUT, don't be aggressive about it. If you're simply doing her a favor, and she's very busy, going through the publisher may be a good start. Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro n' AHA-19160/39320
No, you don't want a bootable floppy. XP prompts you to insert a floppy when you press F6 and reads the drivers from there. On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded the driver from Adaptec's website. As for having the floppy drive enabled, I never disabled it. I just changed the boot order in the BIOS(not SCSI) so, the CD-R/W would be first. I tried to create a 'bootable' floppy disk but, I can't even do that from the other desktop, I am accessing my e-mail from. Christopher -- Original message -- From: Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Note that you must connect a floppy drive first, and it must be enabled in the BIOS. And it's gotta have a driver on it (check their website). * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro n' AHA-19160/39320
I would give that credence, except, I can press both, DEL to access the CMOS
Setup and, Ctrl-A to access the SCSI BIOS so, I know the keyboard is working.
-- Original message --
From: Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe your keyboard hasn't been recognized yet. Try plugging it into the PS2
socket?
On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is what I was thinking. But, Nothing happens when I press F6.
-- Original message --
From: Tony B
No, you don't want a bootable floppy. XP prompts you to insert a floppy
when
you press F6 and reads the drivers from there.
On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I downloaded the driver from Adaptec's website.
As for having the floppy drive enabled, I never disabled it. I just
changed the boot order in the BIOS(not SCSI) so, the CD-R/W would be
first. I tried to create a 'bootable' floppy disk but, I can't even do
that
from the other desktop, I am accessing my e-mail from.
Christopher
-- Original message --
From: Tony B
Note that you must connect a floppy drive first, and it must be
enabled
in
the BIOS. And it's gotta have a driver on it (check their website).
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[CGUYS] Thunderbird: how to display headers?
I reported a possible fake message from eBay to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In reply, I received this message from eBay: To enable a more complete investigation of this situation, please email me a full copy of the message you received including the full headers. Headers are required as they allow me to trace the path of the email from where it originated to your email address and determine the true identity of the sender. Please make certain that you send the headers from the original email and not from a follow-up email. You can reply to this message or forward the message you received to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If possible, please send the message in the text of an email rather than as an attachment. A header will look like a string of nonsense characters, similar to the example I have pasted for you below. You can often find this by using the properties or option function of your email program. I can't find a way to show the header in Thunderbird (ViewHeadersAll show some of the header but it can't be copied as text and there is no slider to show all of the header), What to do? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Thunderbird: how to display headers?
View / Message Source Robert wrote: I reported a possible fake message from eBay to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In reply, I received this message from eBay: To enable a more complete investigation of this situation, please email me a full copy of the message you received including the full headers. Headers are required as they allow me to trace the path of the email from where it originated to your email address and determine the true identity of the sender. Please make certain that you send the headers from the original email and not from a follow-up email. You can reply to this message or forward the message you received to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If possible, please send the message in the text of an email rather than as an attachment. A header will look like a string of nonsense characters, similar to the example I have pasted for you below. You can often find this by using the properties or option function of your email program. I can't find a way to show the header in Thunderbird (ViewHeadersAll show some of the header but it can't be copied as text and there is no slider to show all of the header), What to do? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro n' AHA-19160/39320
You've only got a short window of time to do this, so perhaps you are missing it. Mike On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would give that credence, except, I can press both, DEL to access the CMOS Setup and, Ctrl-A to access the SCSI BIOS so, I know the keyboard is working. -- Original message -- From: Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe your keyboard hasn't been recognized yet. Try plugging it into the PS2 socket? On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is what I was thinking. But, Nothing happens when I press F6. -- Original message -- From: Tony B No, you don't want a bootable floppy. XP prompts you to insert a floppy when you press F6 and reads the drivers from there. On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded the driver from Adaptec's website. As for having the floppy drive enabled, I never disabled it. I just changed the boot order in the BIOS(not SCSI) so, the CD-R/W would be first. I tried to create a 'bootable' floppy disk but, I can't even do that from the other desktop, I am accessing my e-mail from. Christopher -- Original message -- From: Tony B Note that you must connect a floppy drive first, and it must be enabled in the BIOS. And it's gotta have a driver on it (check their website). * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]== * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at
Re: [CGUYS] XP Pro n' AHA-19160/39320
I went on alt.periphs.scsi, earlier and, looked through the archives. Another
person had a problem similar to mine. They were told to re-install the 19160
then, download the drivers for the 39320 then, to re-install the 39320 so, I
will do that tomorrow.
-- Original message --
From: mike [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You've only got a short window of time to do this, so perhaps you are
missing it.
Mike
On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would give that credence, except, I can press both, DEL to access the
CMOS Setup and, Ctrl-A to access the SCSI BIOS so, I know the keyboard is
working.
-- Original message --
From: Tony B
Maybe your keyboard hasn't been recognized yet. Try plugging it into the
PS2
socket?
On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is what I was thinking. But, Nothing happens when I press F6.
-- Original message --
From: Tony B
No, you don't want a bootable floppy. XP prompts you to insert a
floppy
when
you press F6 and reads the drivers from there.
On 10/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I downloaded the driver from Adaptec's website.
As for having the floppy drive enabled, I never disabled it. I
just
changed the boot order in the BIOS(not SCSI) so, the CD-R/W would
be
first. I tried to create a 'bootable' floppy disk but, I can't
even do
that
from the other desktop, I am accessing my e-mail from.
Christopher
-- Original message --
From: Tony B
Note that you must connect a floppy drive first, and it must be
enabled
in
the BIOS. And it's gotta have a driver on it (check their
website).
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Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons?
Well, only a few days ago, I knew virtually nothing about this domain registration business. Yet I rather quickly came to the tentative conclusion that it doesn't make sense that people are allowed to register other people's names (aside from cases of the same name, which could be worked around by assigning unique identifiers or in most cases, middle names) and that this should not be legal. Prior to that, I don't recall discussions here or anywhere else taking this position. This is why I came up with the tenative proposal that people have domains with their own name set aside for their own use; at birth or whenever this would take effect for those already here. So if it's illegal or clearly unethical, why is is allowed, done apparently frequently (even GoDaddy admitted this to me when someone from their called about other matters) and not called into question very much? Randall - Original Message - From: Eric S. Sande [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Grabbing domain names of well-known persons? Okay, here's an admittedly strange question: Is it always inherently wrong, improper or maybe even illegal to register someone else's name as a domain name, particularly if they are a prominent person? Without their explicit permission yes, in my opinion (obviously). Fourth Amendment of the Bill of Rights. Copyright law. Multiple court decisions concerning privacy rights. Ethical and moral considerations. Just not doing it if the person has no opportunity to object or consent. Suppose I registered randy.net and then posted pornographic material and claimed it was yours. Would that be legal? Maybe. Would it be right? No. If you can't see that then you haven't got a sense of basic fairness, which I got from the start. If you've got a sense of mission, please either engage this person in a collaborative effort or leave them alone. That is all I have to say on this topic. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] email header time stamps?
The reason I'm asking is that I'm trying to ascertain the likelihood that the header time stamps on some mail I have received from a sender are accurate or possibly fabricated. The headers should contain at least one Received: line. If those lines aren't forged, they are usually chronological. My mail server lists them from the most recent to the oldest. Let's say you have a line like this: Received: from mailsrv1.domain1.com (mout-56.domain1.com [220.220.22.22]) by mx.yourdomain.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l92CrYxR029471 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Note that even though this is on three lines, it is a single Received: line. Your lines may be missing various parts. Most mail servers don't add the for [EMAIL PROTECTED] part, for instance. The first thing you have to do is look at the headers of the email in question and identify the line that was added by _your_ ISP. In other words, the line that has the by somehost.yourdomain.org part. If the incoming e-mail in your ISP goes through several servers before it reaches the end user (you), there could be several Received lines that matches the above criteria. Now, you have to assume that your ISP's (or your own, your school's your workplace's) mail server is working correct, not hacked, keeps the time in your timezone, etc. etc. In other words, you have to trust something and if you can't even trust the mail server at your end, then there's no point looking any further. So, given you trust your mail server, the above line with the by mx.yourdomain.org ... is the only line you can be certain of. What that line tells you is that your (ISP's) mail server received this message from a host with an IP address 220.220.22.22 and _your_ mail server identified that host as mout-56.domain1.com. During the SMTP handshake, that host identified itself as mailsrv1.domain1.com. The timestamp Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:53:34 -0400 was added by _your_ mail server, so you can trust that. [In the timestamps, -0400 means US EDT; -0700 means US Pacific Daylight Time; - means GMT which may or may not be UK time depending on if it is the daylight savings time in UK] Now, if there is another Received: line that has domain1.com like by ... domain1.com and it's timestamp is close enough, you may want to trust that just to trace the route, but there is no guarantee that that line is legit. Why can't you trust other lines? It's because of the way mail servers route messages. Any mail server can contact any other mail server and tell the receiving server that I have some mail for you, and if the receiving side accepts it, can send all the rest as a data stream. The receiving mail server adds _one_ Received: line as a way to show its work. All the other Received: lines are sent by the other mail server as a part of the message. You cannot even trust the From: or the Date: lines. [ Here's one way to add fake Received: lines telnet mailsrv.yourdomain.org 25, after connection, you can do helo gibberish.yourdomain.org mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rcpt to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] data type in any random Received: lines here From: any random ID Date: any random date To: someID This e-mail has fake headers blah blah . depending on how much sanity-checking your mail server does you should be able to send yourself e-mail with quite a lot of fake stuff in the header. ] Now, if you really must verify if a message was sent for whatever reason, you can contact the postmaster@senderdomain.com (for the appropriate sender domain) and give him/her a copy of the headers and ask that s/he checks the mail logs for the SMTP ID listed in the headers. But, most postmasters won't do that unless there's a really good reason for that or there's a court order or something like that. And, most mail servers don't keep the mail logs forever, so longer you wait, harder it might be to check the SMTP ID or the Message-ID at the sender's side. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
