Re: [CGUYS] Ah! Therapy!
The OS doesn't matter when the software is top notch, but when selecting software that's dual platform, it's usually easier, more transparent and seamless, to use the Mac version, especially after trying both for comparison. Only exception I can think of is Excel for Windows, and some 3D and animation in Windows and Unix. Right you are Betty. You use the tool that does the job best if you have a choice. And you select the tool with that considersation in mind. I personally have no OS axe to grind. It's hard to find all of the thread changes in an Internet cafe on a timed PC connection. Still, no pro videographer would use WM for business. Laziness is not bothering to learn about software before teaching the list what's best without testing cross-platform versions first. Unfortunately the focus here is on what OS defines your worth or personality. Not what you are doing with it. Some people here have a great deal of time and energy invested in a particular platform and or OS, and act like Moses delivering the tablets from the mountain. Sorry about that. Travel is my therapy. I feel wonderful. I would rather hear about where you are traveling than I would care about what OS you are using :-). * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] An XP clean install ?
How to replace Microsoft software or hardware, order service packs and product upgrades, or replace product manuals http://support.microsoft.com/kb/326246 -Original Message- List members - I'm running three machines with XP . They each have their Certificates and Product Key labels attached , but I can't locate their original discs . I have two other machines running Win 2000 Pro which I would like to have changed over to XP . Is there some one in the Northern VA area who can use generic XP discs and my product IDs to change the OSs for me ? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
http://myspeed.visualware.com/ will give you a graph of TCP pauses. They claim that a random pattern of pauses reflects network congestion and a regular pattern of pauses suggests throttling. I know my bandwith is throttled, because this is the level of service I'm paying for, and my TCP pause pattern does show it. I'm not complaining as the rate that I'm getting is about 15% faster than the rate I pay for. Good site. My results are here: http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7566735 It shows very good throughput and QOS. Interestingly, this is a Comcast circuit. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
Opera, the browser, has a built in tool for real time monitoring of your speeds. I have enjoyed success with an app called NetPerSec that gives real time up/down speeds. I especially like the free app NetStat Live from Analogx.com (same guy who created DSLReports.com aka Broadbandreports.com and Internettrafficreport.com). It includes many configuration options and gives traceroute and ping times for a designated website. It can provide data in bits or bytes and totals since last boot, for the current and past month and has a CPU utilization monitor. I prefer computer-based monitors over speedtest web sites since the results from the sites are only as good as the internet traffic at that instant. The computer based monitors give you average performance over time. YMMV Subject: Reliable, free broadband speed test sites? So 2 questions, really - a) any good, reliable, hopefully free, sites = to test speeds? b) any thoughts as to why loading might be getting significantly = slower, even if I close other applications? -- 'Cosmic giggle' - a randomly roving zone of synchronicity and statistical anomaly. Should you be caught up in it, it will turn reality on its head. It is objective and subjective, simultaneously 'really there' and yet somehow is sustained by imagination and expectation - Terence McKenna * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
My results are here: http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7566735 It shows very good throughput and QOS. Interestingly, this is a Comcast circuit. What is interestingly about a comcast circuit? I also have comcast, and have no idea what I am supposed to get. either for cable speed, or on the cable network. I did ask about cable channels, and got an incomprehensible answer. do not have time to sit on hold and get a real answer. http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7567064 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
I had the same problem with comcast and went thru the same customer service ritual. With stubbornness and by going vertical up the management ladder until I was speaking with the local repair service supervisors, I eventually got their procedural wheels to creakily turn and they replaced whatever distribution/amplification gadget was on the pole in my neighborhood and the recurrent service failure problem was solved. It was a painful experience that should not have been necessary but with time the memory of it fades db Jordan wrote: I would guess that Comcast service, and the way they control or not control speed, varies widely. Especially where they have bought out other services. Out here in the boonies beyond Gettysburg, PA we get a little less than what Jeff is getting. Plenty fast though. And I can change modems or routers and the internet is just there. This is an Adelphia infrastructure that Comcast took over. I think they might be regulating speed some now, so they can charge more for faster, but it still works well. In FL we have Comcast as well. But it's a different company, and the difference in service is night and day. If I change routers, I have to call them and wait on hold to give them the new MAC #. If I change a modem, it will take a while finding a tech who knows how to make the adjustment in their system. And a good tech actually advised me not to do that because the setting is difficult to change. The service is also reliably unreliable. At high use times, the internet service often just dies. Sometimes late morning, but very likely in the evening, especially at peak tourist season. I've never been able to get them to admit that there is any problem with their system. They'll happily send out a tech guy to check the signal, but they are almost never there when the service is off. They often have told me that the problem is with the cable in my house and one guy even tried to convince me it was my Mac. No one seems to hear me when I ask why the service dies at the same time each night. I assume that they don't want to spend the money to upgrade a system that works fine for 9 months of the year, so they just stonewall everyone during the winter. Thanks for reading my tedious sad story. Maybe I'll try DSL this year. My results are here: http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7566735 It shows very good throughput and QOS. Interestingly, this is a Comcast circuit. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Ah! Therapy! --LOOKY--THREAD CHANGE! [was: Re: St
The person who uses Windows almost exclusively is bashing others who use multiple operating systems. Such irony. When Windows does something badly and we point it out, that's not bashing, that's fact based on experience. Same with revealing flaws in Macs and Unix. Surprise! They're not perfect either. Confused? Very well stated. My primary computer is a Mac and Windows XP PC connected via a KVMP switch. I switch back and forth between Mac and PC all day long. On average I use both OS about half the time. I'm constantly glancing up at the corner of the screen to check if I should press the command or control key for a keyboard shortcut. These two computers are set up identically as much as possible. I have a real interest in making the two OSs work as well as possible and as identically as possible. If something does not work as well on one OS as the other I make the effort to fix it. This makes me acutely aware when one OS or the other does not measure up. I don't think you will find anyone who is more platform ambidextrous than I am. There are things that don't work right on the Mac and there are things that don't work right on Windows. Bottom line, most of the problems are with Windows and most of those problems are due to bad engineering choices by Microsoft. With all the money they are making I just have no patience for MS's slovenly engineering. MS should be able to hire the best and build the best. Unfortunately they choose not to do that. Sorry I'm only ambidextrous, no third hand for Xnix. I have set up web and photo servers under Apple's BSD Unix. I run one box with embedded Linux as a file server and provide support for a Red Hat Linux box used as an email server. I program in Perl and PHP on Apache servers running on Unix. But that is not the same as my constant use of Mac and Windows PCs. I appreciate Xnix for what it is, but for the type of work I do it would not be productive. Apple has done a wonderful job of maling BSD Unix productive. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
some 3-4 years ago, our internet signal would fail a couple of times a day, as did many of our neighbors who also used Comcast internet. onsite tech #4 or 5 or 6 connected a meter to the signal strength at the computor and declared it to be -2 or -3, and that it should be at least 0.(there was a plus part to the scale). He went out to the box on the side of the house and changed what he called a filter. this repair fixed the problem. about a week later, a couple of service techs arrived in the neighborhood and changed all the filter for all the comcast subscribers. At 12:00 PM 11/3/2007, you wrote: I had the same problem with comcast and went thru the same customer service ritual. With stubbornness and by going vertical up the management ladder until I was speaking with the local repair service supervisors, I eventually got their procedural wheels to creakily turn and they replaced whatever distribution/amplification gadget was on the pole in my neighborhood and the recurrent service failure problem was solved. It was a painful experience that should not have been necessary but with time the memory of it fades db Jordan wrote: I would guess that Comcast service, and the way they control or not control speed, varies widely. Especially where they have bought out other services. Out here in the boonies beyond Gettysburg, PA we get a little less than what Jeff is getting. Plenty fast though. And I can change modems or routers and the internet is just there. This is an Adelphia infrastructure that Comcast took over. I think they might be regulating speed some now, so they can charge more for faster, but it still works well. In FL we have Comcast as well. But it's a different company, and the difference in service is night and day. If I change routers, I have to call them and wait on hold to give them the new MAC #. If I change a modem, it will take a while finding a tech who knows how to make the adjustment in their system. And a good tech actually advised me not to do that because the setting is difficult to change. The service is also reliably unreliable. At high use times, the internet service often just dies. Sometimes late morning, but very likely in the evening, especially at peak tourist season. I've never been able to get them to admit that there is any problem with their system. They'll happily send out a tech guy to check the signal, but they are almost never there when the service is off. They often have told me that the problem is with the cable in my house and one guy even tried to convince me it was my Mac. No one seems to hear me when I ask why the service dies at the same time each night. I assume that they don't want to spend the money to upgrade a system that works fine for 9 months of the year, so they just stonewall everyone during the winter. Thanks for reading my tedious sad story. Maybe I'll try DSL this year. My results are here: http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7566735 It shows very good throughput and QOS. Interestingly, this is a Comcast circuit. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == *
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
What is interestingly about a comcast circuit? http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7566735 http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7567064 Good idea! I did not catch on to the fact that they were saving the results. Here are mine... http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7569017 You can see that my service is much crummier than yours. My peak rate occasionally matches yours, but most of the time mine is throttled back. You can plainly see the evenly spaced pauses in the pause chart. On the other hand my service is very consistent. My data rates are exactly the same at different times of the weekday as they are now on a Saturday afternoon. This is interesting because these simple charts can tell us a lot about the quality of our service. You can save your charts at times when things are running well and when they are not. You can give the URLs to Comcast so they can see exactly what you are complaining about. The charts make it harder for them to write you off as a crank. BTW, for those who want to run tests from their computer this site has both free and paid versions that you can download. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
http://myspeed.visualware.com/ Via my FIOS http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7569896 Speed test statistics - Download speed: 15460200 bps Upload speed: 1896720 bps Quality of service: 98 % Download test type: socket Upload test type: socket Maximum download pause: 34 ms Average download pause: 1 ms Minimum round trip time to server: 5 ms Average round trip time to server: 72 ms Via Comcast 5 minutes later http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7570022 and http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7570036 Speed test statistics - Download speed: 9504792 bps Upload speed: 1125144 bps Quality of service: 50 % Download test type: socket Upload test type: socket Maximum download pause: 52 ms Average download pause: 2 ms Minimum round trip time to server: 25 ms Average round trip time to server: 28 ms Rich, You get what you pay for sometimes Hay, this reminds me of the mine is biggern yours days of 128k of memory and 10 meg hard disks.. :) * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
Well here is the results for a Road Runner account in Central NY. http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7570520 Not sure if this is a good report or not. Tom Piwowar wrote: What is interestingly about a comcast circuit? http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7566735 http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7567064 Good idea! I did not catch on to the fact that they were saving the results. Here are mine... http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7569017 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7570520 Not sure if this is a good report or not. Yours looks much like the other cable users. Mine is very different, but exactly what I'm paying for. Does anybody get a report that looks different or one run during a poor performance time? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
I like the SpeakEasy speed tests: http://speakeasy.net/speedtest/. You choose the closest of eight servers to you to eliminate (as much as possible) network slow-downs. I just ran both SpeakEasy and VisualWare tests on my Loudoun Wireless account, and they were within 2 kbps of each other. SpeakEasy: 487 kbps down, 242 kbps up VisualWare: 488 kbps down, 244 kbps up At 4:01 PM -0400 11/3/07, Ken Hansen wrote: Well here is the results for a Road Runner account in Central NY. http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7570520 Not sure if this is a good report or not. Tom Piwowar wrote: What is interestingly about a comcast circuit? http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7566735 http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7567064 Good idea! I did not catch on to the fact that they were saving the results. Here are mine... http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7569017 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
Oh these are different, really interesting! Via my FIOS http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7569896 About 50% faster than cable and very steady. This is what good service should look like. Via Comcast 5 minutes later http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7570022 http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7570036 This may be why so many cable subscribers are unhappy. The data rate is typical for cable, but the way you get it is very erratic -- it is all stop and go. For web page display and file downloads this does not mattter. For streaming media this is probably okay if you have a large enough buffer. For time sensitive services, like IP telephony, this is probably not good. How do my guesses stack up against your experience? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
Oh these are different, really interesting! Via my FIOS http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7569896 About 50% faster than cable and very steady. This is what good service should look like. Via Comcast 5 minutes later http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7570022 http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7570036 This may be why so many cable subscribers are unhappy. The data rate is typical for cable, but the way you get it is very erratic -- it is all stop and go. For web page display and file downloads this does not mattter. For streaming media this is probably okay if you have a large enough buffer. For time sensitive services, like IP telephony, this is probably not good. How do my guesses stack up against your experience? Who said we were unhappy? Are DSL customers even less happy? 7 Mb/sec is nice, but it sits idle 98% of the time. I don't do VoIP, so the QOS is more than adequate for me. My first test was this morning at 9:00 AM-ish: http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7566735 This was a few minutes ago at 7:00 PM-ish: http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7572029 Not much difference. But that FIOS does rock! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
I wonder why my Comcast connection rivals the FIOS? At least in raw speed. With only a 5ms ping on the FIOS, it's pretty obvious the testing server is right there inside the Verizon cloud. mine: http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7572279 FIOS posted earlier: http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7569896 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
Here is my test via Cox Cable: http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7572187 As you can see, it is pretty erratic and I can vouch for that because I can never listen to any streaming A/V without it hanging up. Maybe Verizon is a better option. I'll be interested to hear any feedback. Richard P. Tom Piwowar wrote: Oh these are different, really interesting! Via my FIOS http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7569896 About 50% faster than cable and very steady. This is what good service should look like. Via Comcast 5 minutes later http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7570022 http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7570036 This may be why so many cable subscribers are unhappy. The data rate is typical for cable, but the way you get it is very erratic -- it is all stop and go. For web page display and file downloads this does not mattter. For streaming media this is probably okay if you have a large enough buffer. For time sensitive services, like IP telephony, this is probably not good. How do my guesses stack up against your experience? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
Cable speeds in some areas rival or beat FIOS speeds in some areas. Cox here is laying fiber all over, over 18mbit to the home is available now, 25 mbit early next year. I had it over a year ago and it was extremely reliable. I'm surprised Cox is investing here in the valley, they have zero competition, there is no FIOS and no DSL to speak of. Mike On Nov 3, 2007 4:40 PM, Tony B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder why my Comcast connection rivals the FIOS? At least in raw speed. With only a 5ms ping on the FIOS, it's pretty obvious the testing server is right there inside the Verizon cloud. mine: http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7572279 FIOS posted earlier: http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7569896 * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7572187 Richard has a terrible QoS. Lots of pauses of fairly long duration. So even though his data rate may hit 20,000 there are so many pauses that his effective data rate is a quite low 6000. With all those pauses he can't stream. But my data rate is much lower than 6000 and I can stream fine because I have a steady feed. Perhaps if he can increase his data buffer streaming may work adequately? Wow. These charts are great! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7572279 Interesting is how Tony's throughput suddenly dropped and pauses increased for the last part of the test. I would guess that there is throttling going on here, but very different than my DSL. I was not putting much stock in their Quality of Service number, because I always distrust anything that is a single number. But this number seems to be capturing something important. Tony's service is not good and the 49% QoS number reflects this. My data rate is slow, but steady and the 99% QoS number reflects that. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
Over here, they have a more thorough test: http://myvoipspeed.visualware.com/ What's more interesting is that these 2 tests are only a minute or so apart: Regular: http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7572279 VoIP: http://mvsord.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=626480 Very different results. -Original Message- http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7572187 Richard has a terrible QoS. Lots of pauses of fairly long duration. So even though his data rate may hit 20,000 there are so many pauses that his effective data rate is a quite low 6000. With all those pauses he can't stream. But my data rate is much lower than 6000 and I can stream fine because I have a steady feed. Perhaps if he can increase his data buffer streaming may work adequately? Wow. These charts are great! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
OK, the first VoIP test was to their Chicago node. This is through the Ashburn node. A bit different: http://mvsiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=412833 -Original Message- Over here, they have a more thorough test: http://myvoipspeed.visualware.com/ What's more interesting is that these 2 tests are only a minute or so apart: Regular: http://msiad.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=7572279 VoIP: http://mvsord.visualware.com/myspeed/db/report?id=626480 Very different results. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
[CGUYS] Cymphonix Speed-O-Meter has disappeared
Is there some way to select an off-screen window that doesn't display a taskbar button? Win XP, SP2 I run a nifty utility called Cymphonix Speed-O-Meter (cymspeed.exe). It's freeware, and the provider doesn't seem to support it. It loads a small transparent window, that shows a one-minute display of the network traffic, i.e., each second it determines the average download and upload speeds for actual traffic (total bytes during the second divided by one second) and displays 60 seconds worth as a line graph. The window has been mysteriously moved off screen. When cymspeed.exe loads, the window briefly appears and then is seen to move off the lower right corner of the screen. With a normal application whose window has gone off-screen, one would select the taskbar button for the open window, then press Alt-spacebar to open the control menu, then select move, and then move the window back on-screen using arrow keys. Done that many times. But cymspeed.exe doesn't display a taskbar button when it is running. There is a systray icon, but none of the options on the menu of the systray icon is useful (On my win 2k machine, with dual monitors, clicking the systray icon closes the cymspeed window on the second monitor, and clicking again reopens the window on the primary monitor -- doesn't help on the single monitor xp machine.) The cymspeed transparent window does have a control menu. There is no icon on the left end of the title bar, but, when the window is properly displayed, if I select the window, and press alt-spacebar, a control menu appears and I can select Move and then move the window with the arrow keys. I know it is running. It appears in Task Manager under Processes (but not under Applications). Uninstalling an re-installing doesn't fix it. Apparently the registry code isn't removed. I guess I could run a registry cleaner in one of its forms, but every time I do, something breaks. Any help on a fix? Is there some way to select an off-screen window that doesn't display a taskbar button? Thanks in advance, Fred Holmes * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
In spite of my just-asked question about Cymphonix Speed-O-Meter, it's an excellent way to continuously monitor your actual download and upload speed. Freeware. Not a test site per se. http://downloads.cymphonix.com/netspeed.zip Sorry if this has been mentioned previously. I haven't been following this thread. Fred Holmes * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Reliable, free broadband speed test sites?
There's one thing missing from this discussion of broadband speed. It's the wiring or wireless after the broadband gets into your house. I have an ancient part of my network on cat3 cable. When I test that node, it's very slow compared to other nodes, or a direct connection. Using 802.11b wireless connected directly to the incoming cable also tests as slow, compared to wireless 'g' and 'n'. I'm replacing the cat3 with cat6 next weekend. That should test at least twice as fast without paying for faster broadband service. Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] Do Not Call List
FYI, here is some updated info on the Do Not Call list that has been mentioned several times recently: How about the recent report that telemarketers are allowed to call you to ask if you still want to be on the Do Not Call list. Hows that for chutzpah! * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
