Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again

2008-04-18 Thread Tom Piwowar
The recent pwn2own contest proved that mac or windows could be easily hacked within hours so perhaps you should do your ad hominem attacks against both os x and windows. It is starting to look like the contest winner used Flash accessed via the Safari web browser to win the prize. So strictly

Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again

2008-04-18 Thread mike
It's not apple's fault...they did it!! Mike On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recent pwn2own contest proved that mac or windows could be easily hacked within hours so perhaps you should do your ad hominem attacks against both os x and windows. It

Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Brownfield
I've been following this thread for the last couple days, but only received the original post today (4/18/08). Why would be? Steve Steve Rigby wrote: In a move that's sure to get the attention of Apple's lawyers, one company has started advertising a new $400 hackintosh dubbed the

Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again

2008-04-18 Thread mike
BTW you got a link for this since at the time of the contest they weren't releasing any info on the security hole except that 'Apple was going to work on a patch' ? Mike On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The recent pwn2own contest proved that mac or windows

Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac / Missing?

2008-04-18 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
I'm hoping somebody like Dell just happens to put out a Leopard friendly machine. Let the hobbyists talk it up for it's Mac friendly ways and see if it improves sales. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 16, 2008, at 10:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac / Missing?

2008-04-18 Thread Matthew Taylor
Since the insides of an Apple machine are mostly COTS stuff anyway, and run Windows really, really well in most press reports, it would seem logical that Dell or some other player would wrap a case around those parts and let it loose in the world. I suppose the problem is that because

Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac / Missing?

2008-04-18 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
More than that I think it is something similar to the way the original IBM checked the BIOS (Apple calls it something different) that does not allow Leopard to run on a Dell. Dell does have higher end machines. They bought Alienware a couple of years ago. Stewart At 03:38 PM 4/18/2008,

Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac / Missing?

2008-04-18 Thread mike
It's called EFI. It's the new interface between the OS and hardware. It's supported in one way or another by most OS vendors. Reading about it I'm not sure it's a step ahead as much as a sidestep. Seems like one more thing that can get corrupted since it sits on the HD. OS X will run on

[CGUYS] usenet news reader

2008-04-18 Thread Arthur Poudrier
Any body out there still using a standalone usenet news reader? Any recommendations? I had been using free agent 1.1, but it is a bit old, so I was wondering what I was missing. Cheap=good, free=better. I don't really like the web interfaces available for reading them on-line. Thanks, Arthur

Re: [CGUYS] usenet news reader

2008-04-18 Thread mike
When I had a provider that actually provided this service I used xnews. It was handy with binaries, I didn't do a lot of just reading. For that you might look at mozilla Thunderbird, I find that to be a small fast usenet/RSS client. I've never really used it for email. I like it's interface

Re: [CGUYS] usenet news reader

2008-04-18 Thread Judy Cosler
I thought newsgroups has gone away. silly me! mike wrote: When I had a provider that actually provided this service I used xnews. It was handy with binaries, I didn't do a lot of just reading. For that you might look at mozilla Thunderbird, I find that to be a small fast usenet/RSS client.

Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again

2008-04-18 Thread Stephen Brownfield
I noticed that Apple has just released an update of Safari. I assumed that this was the patch. mike wrote: BTW you got a link for this since at the time of the contest they weren't releasing any info on the security hole except that 'Apple was going to work on a patch' ? Mike On Fri, Apr

Re: [CGUYS] usenet news reader

2008-04-18 Thread Chris Dunford
Anybody out there still using a standalone usenet news reader? Any recommendations? I had been using free agent 1.1, but it is a bit old, so I was wondering what I was missing. Cheap=good, free=better. Nothing else even comes close to Agent (the paid version, not Free Agent). It's not very

Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac / Missing?

2008-04-18 Thread Steve Rigby
On Apr 18, 2008, at 4:38 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: Since the insides of an Apple machine are mostly COTS stuff anyway, and run Windows really, really well in most press reports, it would seem logical that Dell or some other player would wrap a case around those parts and let it loose in

Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again

2008-04-18 Thread mike
That's why I was wondering where Tom got his info since the exploit was unreleased to the public. MIke On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Stephen Brownfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed that Apple has just released an update of Safari. I assumed that this was the patch. mike wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] OpenMac

2008-04-18 Thread Tom Piwowar
I've been following this thread for the last couple days, but only received the original post today (4/18/08). Why would be? It might be interesting to peruse that email's headers. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again

2008-04-18 Thread Tom Piwowar
BTW you got a link for this since at the time of the contest they weren't releasing any info on the security hole except that 'Apple was going to work on a patch' ? This is based on my own analysis, which is available to only the privileged few. I hope you feel suitably honored.

[CGUYS] cell phone

2008-04-18 Thread Henry Bruhl
TRACFONE: I recently purchased a year's service with several hundred minutes for $65 on Ebay. _ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger.

Re: [CGUYS] usenet news reader

2008-04-18 Thread Marcio V. Pinheiro
Agent had newer versions and for about two dollars a month thet connect you with the newsgroup. Marcio At 06:01 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: Any body out there still using a standalone usenet news reader? Any recommendations? I had been using free agent 1.1, but it is a bit old, so I was

Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again

2008-04-18 Thread Tom Piwowar
So you just guessed that it was Flash based on nothing even though every website says Apple is working on the patch? Not exactly Columbo are ya? I get paid to make such guesses. What do people pay you to do? * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] Macbook pwned...again

2008-04-18 Thread mike
Apple patches adobe products? I would have never guessed. Mike On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you just guessed that it was Flash based on nothing even though every website says Apple is working on the patch? Not exactly Columbo are ya? I get paid

Re: [CGUYS] usenet news reader

2008-04-18 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
I'll throw my two cents in for Agent. I also use their newsfeeds. I really hate the ones that open lots of individual windows. On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Marcio V. Pinheiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agent had newer versions and for about two dollars a month thet connect you with the

Re: [CGUYS] Cell phone [was: Signs of the arrival of FIOS]

2008-04-18 Thread Tom Piwowar
They're owned by Tracfone, and yes, they're still around. Phone/plan choice depends on how much you will use the phone. Net10 is 10 cents a minute, so is T-Mobile. Net10 and Tracfone minutes expire after 60-90 days; T-Mobile 1000 minute card expires in 365 days. There's lots of prepaid