Re: [CGUYS] Cuil Not Cool

2008-07-29 Thread Mike Sloane
I heard a report from a technology reporter on CBS radio yesterday - 
he was not at all impressed. Apparently the GUI is nice, but the rank 
order is something of a mystery.


Mike

Tom Piwowar wrote:

Has anyone tried the Google-killer site cuil (cuil.com)?

All I get is No results because of high load...

Looks like something MS should snap up and give up on unwilling Yahoo.





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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread Jeff Wright
 Two free applications for the iPhone and iPod Touch, and another
 program
 that costs only $4.99, make it possible to listen to live radio on the
 iPhone from anywhere, including a moving car...

No, radio (and the NAB) will kill radio.  Who cares what you can listen to
it on, the product is just as god-awful.


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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread John covici
I will check, as I recall, there is no install charge.

on Tuesday 07/29/2008 Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote
  I get my news from the Post (paper) and from NPR.  I don't listen much
  to commercial radio, except the occasional baseball game.  I don't watch
  TV at all.  I get mostly tech news from the web.  I have an iPod, but
  have never gotten news from it (my iPod is before the Touch model).
  News paper circulation shrinks every year.  If radio shrinks too, where
  will you all get your news?
  
  Thank you,
   
  Mark Snyder
  -Original Message-
   Two free applications for the iPhone and iPod Touch, and another
   program
   that costs only $4.99, make it possible to listen to live radio on the
   iPhone from anywhere, including a moving car...
  
  No, radio (and the NAB) will kill radio.  Who cares what you can listen
  to
  it on, the product is just as god-awful.
  
  
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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread John covici
Sorry for the incorrect posting.

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Re: [CGUYS] Problems with Dell Power Supply

2008-07-29 Thread Richard P.

Rosenberg, Alan [USA] wrote:



Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:11:01 -0700

My vintage 2002 Dell Dimension 4600 desktop (XP Home) has had a power 
supply issue for a while. The power switch on the tower case is a 
momentary pushbutton, not a toggle switch. In the past couple of 
months, if I turn off power at the surge protector, it takes a while 
(minutes to quite a few minutes) for pressing the power on push 
button to actually get the system to start up. Just recently, a new 
problem has been added. After turning off the system through a 
Windows shutdown, it appears that the system is trying to start up 
again on its own, without my pushing the power button. However, the 
start up aborts after flashing the keyboard lights and trying to 
power up the hard drive. This action cycles repeatedly every few 
seconds unless I remove power entirely from the tower. Has anyone 
experienced anything like this? Is there any power management 
software accessible to the user that might relate? Thanks, Alan




I just saw this same sort of thing this week, where the startup process 
was undependable and intermittent. We put in a new power supply ($25), 
and so far it has solved the problem. FWIW


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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
I have an iPod, but
have never gotten news from it (my iPod is before the Touch model).
News paper circulation shrinks every year.  If radio shrinks too, where
will you all get your news?

There are more podcast feeds than I can keep up with. Some of the best 
are from NPR, CBC, BBC, and some local stations. iTunes keeps filling up 
with more and more good stuff. I especially like APM's Future Tense. 
These are short, 5-minute programs that often inform me of tech events 
that are important but not covered elsewhere,


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Re: [CGUYS] Emotional About (Cisco) Hardware?

2008-07-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
 They effectively proved that the fellow was right to with hold that
 information from the idiots in charge.


I was telling someone about the story this morning and came to the same 
conclusion. The city's IT dept looks to be managed by a bunch of idiots. 
The netadmin was just protecting his loved ones.


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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
But there's a difference between mentioning problems and taking random,
gratuitous potshots.

Should it be my problem that some folks have no sense of humor? Should we 
all be required to dial down to low level gloom to accomodate the most 
morose among us? Should we be denied a good laugh at the folly of the 
ultra rich? I think not!

P.S. I don't do smileys. Smileys are depressing.


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Re: [CGUYS] Emotional About (Cisco) Hardware?

2008-07-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It reminded me of an incident my brother had years ago while working 
for a major company.


My brothers is the IT Manager for a division of a major travel 
property management company.  He manages the local office and is in 
charge of the equipment and such plus does data work.


A network guy came in from the headquarters building and started to 
work on their equipment.  He refused (I am putting it mildly) to tell 
my brother what he was doing plus started pass wording 
everything.  Well to make a long story short, my brother asked him to 
leave and promptly made noise up the chain.


Apparently someone upstairs listened to my brother and no negative 
things happened to him over the incident.


But it sounds eerily similar.  The problem is no one questioned nor 
supervised this gentleman and when they realized what they had done, 
they tried to close the barn door after the herd had escaped.


Plus they seem to be acting real stupid now that they have discovered 
the barn door was really closed and they did not realize it.


Their prosecution of him seems to be akin to using a 155 mm howitzer 
to go after a mosquito.


Stewart


At 09:51 AM 7/29/2008, you wrote:


I was telling someone about the story this morning and came to the same
conclusion. The city's IT dept looks to be managed by a bunch of idiots.
The netadmin was just protecting his loved ones.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] Cuil Not Cool

2008-07-29 Thread Ellen Harris
The stuff I was searching for was a little esoteric (my own website, my 
husband's name) but Cuil found none of it.  While Google finds TONS of 
references.
   
  Not Cuil.

Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  No, because when there are no results, it just says can't find anything

I tried searching for something else and got results. But as I pressed 
the next screen button I found that most of the results I saw on page 1 
were also repeated on pages 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.

I also don't like the 3-column display. I can't scan that as quickly as a 
single column, like Google. And I don't think that is just beause I'm 
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Re: [CGUYS] turning stuff off

2008-07-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
I come late  to this discussion and am not sure of the beginning but 
when power supplies start to fail sometimes they don't  have enough 
oomph to power up what they previously could so after attempting to spin 
things up, they (the motherboard) reverts to a showing single blinking 
green or yellow light on the case front.   If the  computer is looping 
around in this case, it may be that the bios  is set to restart upon 
failure.

Good point. It could also be the mobo's power management and fixing that 
usually requires clearing its PRAM. It is hard to say even with careful 
first-hand observation, which is impossible via email.

So the best approach is to be systematic. Going out of order means extra 
work, extra expense, and makes it harder to collect information. Rushing 
to replace the power supply is only recommended if you are feeling very 
lucky.


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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread Jeff Wright
 Should it be my problem that some folks have no sense of humor? Should we
 all be required to dial down to low level gloom to accomodate the most
 morose among us? Should we be denied a good laugh at the folly of the
 ultra rich? I think not!

I thought the squirting commment was fairly droll for Tom.  It made
me chuckle.

Give credit where credit is due!


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Re: [CGUYS] Emotional About (Cisco) Hardware?

2008-07-29 Thread Jeff Wright
 I was telling someone about the story this morning and came to the same
 conclusion. The city's IT dept looks to be managed by a bunch of idiots.
 The netadmin was just protecting his loved ones.

No question about that.  But someone had to hire the idiots in charge
in the first place.

You'd think this guy's felony convictions would have been the tip off
that he might not be an ideal candidate for employee of the month.


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[CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)

2008-07-29 Thread Michel Lowe
Does anyone else find Smileys to be insulting?
I mean, a little :-) at the end of a comment to explain that you meant it
humorously/ironically/sarcastically implies the recipient isn't capable of
getting the joke in the first place.
Or maybe I should just switch to decaf today... ;-)

__ 
Michel David Lowe 


 -Original Message-
 From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:COMPUTERGUYS-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar
 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:49 AM
 To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
 Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?
 
 But there's a difference between mentioning problems and taking random,
 gratuitous potshots.
 
 Should it be my problem that some folks have no sense of humor? Should we
 all be required to dial down to low level gloom to accomodate the most
 morose among us? Should we be denied a good laugh at the folly of the
 ultra rich? I think not!
 
 P.S. I don't do smileys. Smileys are depressing.


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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)

2008-07-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It all depends.  In the latest release of Eudora actually done by 
Eudora, they turn into icons.


The Icons actually let you know there is something else 
there.  Otherwise I have a hard time deciphering all the punctuation 
marks, and it reminds me of reading Hebrew!


Stewart


At 10:23 AM 7/29/2008, you wrote:

Does anyone else find Smileys to be insulting?
I mean, a little :-) at the end of a comment to explain that you meant it
humorously/ironically/sarcastically implies the recipient isn't capable of
getting the joke in the first place.
Or maybe I should just switch to decaf today... ;-)

__
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Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)

2008-07-29 Thread Roger D. Parish

At 11:23 AM -0400 7/29/08, Michel Lowe wrote:


Does anyone else find Smileys to be insulting?
I mean, a little :-) at the end of a comment to explain that you meant it
humorously/ironically/sarcastically implies the recipient isn't capable of
getting the joke in the first place.
Or maybe I should just switch to decaf today... ;-)


Since getting the joke is in the eye of the beholder, and not 
guaranteed, that's why smileys (or emoticons) were invented in the 
first place. One's innocent little jibe might be misinterpreted by a 
reader who had not switched to decaf that day. ;-)


I, for one, don't find them insulting. I had never thought of them 
that way until you just brought it up...

paranoia
hmm, what did they really mean by that???
/paranoia

:-)
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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread mike
That's what I was thinking, more creative then the usuall MS comment...I had
to laugh too.

Mike

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Should it be my problem that some folks have no sense of humor? Should we
  all be required to dial down to low level gloom to accomodate the most
  morose among us? Should we be denied a good laugh at the folly of the
  ultra rich? I think not!

 I thought the squirting commment was fairly droll for Tom.  It made
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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)

2008-07-29 Thread Allen Firstenberg
The problem is that often there just isn't enough context to realize
that the person is trying to be humorous/ironic/sarcastic.  In
traditional print, you'd have lots and lots of written words to
realize this.  In realspace, you can judge the body language of the
person making the statement.  In brief email exchanges, sometimes you
need substitutes for those cues - and thats the purpose of the smiley.

I don't think the assumption is that the person won't get the
joke... its to make sure that people realize it _is_ a joke.

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:23:38AM -0400, Michel Lowe wrote:
 Does anyone else find Smileys to be insulting?
 I mean, a little :-) at the end of a comment to explain that you meant it
 humorously/ironically/sarcastically implies the recipient isn't capable of
 getting the joke in the first place.
 Or maybe I should just switch to decaf today... ;-)
 
 __ 
 Michel David Lowe 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:COMPUTERGUYS-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar
  Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:49 AM
  To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
  Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?
  
  But there's a difference between mentioning problems and taking random,
  gratuitous potshots.
  
  Should it be my problem that some folks have no sense of humor? Should we
  all be required to dial down to low level gloom to accomodate the most
  morose among us? Should we be denied a good laugh at the folly of the
  ultra rich? I think not!
  
  P.S. I don't do smileys. Smileys are depressing.
 
 
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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread Chris Dunford
 But there's a difference between mentioning problems and taking
 random, gratuitous potshots.
 
 Should it be my problem that some folks have no sense of humor? Should
 we all be required to dial down to low level gloom to accomodate the most
 morose among us? 

Ain't nothing wrong with my sensayuma. 

I saw some true-crime show the other night about a guy who tried to hire a
hit man to rub out his inconvenient wife. When the cops confronted him with
a surveillance tape, he said, Hey, it was a joke! I was only joking!
Reminds me of your shots that are now supposed to be funny...

 Should we be denied a good laugh at the folly of the ultra rich?

Now I'm confused. I was under the impression that the glitterati use Macs,
and only busboys and their ilk use Windows.


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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)

2008-07-29 Thread Chris Dunford
 The problem is that often there just isn't enough context to realize
 that the person is trying to be humorous/ironic/sarcastic.  In
 traditional print, you'd have lots and lots of written words to
 realize this.  In realspace, you can judge the body language of the
 person making the statement.  In brief email exchanges, sometimes you
 need substitutes for those cues - and thats the purpose of the smiley.
 
 I don't think the assumption is that the person won't get the
 joke... its to make sure that people realize it _is_ a joke.

Yes, I think this is exactly right. Email, forums, listserv posts, IMs, and
the like lack the cues and/or the space to ensure that the reader knows
you're joking.  I resisted emoticons for many years before I came (somewhat
reluctantly) to this conclusion.


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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
I use both WPC and Mac.  I am neither. 

Your comment shows minimal attention, or is just gratuitous. 

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
 Should we be denied a good laugh at the folly of the ultra rich?

Now I'm confused. I was under the impression that the glitterati use
Macs,
and only busboys and their ilk use Windows.


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[CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers

2008-07-29 Thread Michael S. Altus
When I have my speakers on, I periodically get a sound, 
dum-dum-duh-duh-duh-dum-dum-duh-dum. Does anyone know what that is? At first, 
I thought it is a 
time signal at the start of an hour, but I hear it at other times.

Thanks,

Michael

Michael S. Altus, PhD, ELS
Intensive Care Communications, Inc.(R)
Biomedical Writing and Editing
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Re: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers

2008-07-29 Thread Tony B
Are you sure it's not duh-dum-duh-duh-dum-dum-dum-duh-dum?

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Michael S. Altus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When I have my speakers on, I periodically get a sound,
 dum-dum-duh-duh-duh-dum-dum-duh-dum. Does anyone know what that is? At 
 first, I thought it is a
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Re: [CGUYS] Cuil Not Cool

2008-07-29 Thread gerald
one of my biggest complaints with google is that they frequently do not produce 
the website of the searched name.  cuil does not seem to do any better.

At 11:04 AM 7/29/2008, you wrote:
The stuff I was searching for was a little esoteric (my own website, my 
husband's name) but Cuil found none of it.  While Google finds TONS of 
references.
   
  Not Cuil.

Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  No, because when there are no results, it just says can't find anything

I tried searching for something else and got results. But as I pressed 
the next screen button I found that most of the results I saw on page 1 
were also repeated on pages 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.

I also don't like the 3-column display. I can't scan that as quickly as a 
single column, like Google. And I don't think that is just beause I'm 
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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone

2008-07-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
Does anyone else find Smileys to be insulting?

I wrote depressing not insulting. If they were merely insulting I 
would not care since that is something going on in your head. 
Contradistinctively, depressing is something going on in my head. That 
I care about.

Do you think this needs a Smiley?

[  ] Yes

[  ] No

[  ] What is a Smiley?


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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
Now I'm confused. I was under the impression that the glitterati use Macs,
and only busboys and their ilk use Windows.

But I was referring to those who *make* Windows not those who *use* Windows. 
Note that those who make Windows made themselves fantastically rich by over 
charging their customers (viz. DOJ vs. MS) and forcing them into careers as 
pearl diversÝ. Those who make Macs became only moderately rich and empowered 
their customers to become moderately well off too.

Ý pearl diver. Slang. Person who washes the dishes at a restaurant.


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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone

2008-07-29 Thread Chris Dunford
 Do you think this needs a Smiley?
 
 [ ] Yes
 
 [X] No
 
 [ ] What is a Smiley?

The only troubling thing is, should the above have '' or not?  It is a
quote but also a reply. This is deeply concerning.


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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone

2008-07-29 Thread Tony B
Depends on whether you're smiling as you type it.

We *have* to encourage people in our forums to use smileys liberally.
Being community forums, many of them are new to computers and don't
understand that the sarcasm they've used their whole life just won't
work the same way online because nobody can see that you're smiling as
you say it.

Even the friendliest comment has been grossly misinterpreted for lack
of smileys.


On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do you think this needs a Smiley?

 [  ] Yes

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 [  ] What is a Smiley?


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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone

2008-07-29 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
No.  Probably only the Welcome to HEAVEN and the Welcome to HADES signs
need smileys.

Thank you,
 
Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
Does anyone else find Smileys to be insulting?

I wrote depressing not insulting. If they were merely insulting I 
would not care since that is something going on in your head. 
Contradistinctively, depressing is something going on in my head. That

I care about.

Do you think this needs a Smiley?

[  ] Yes

[  ] No

[  ] What is a Smiley?


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Re: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers

2008-07-29 Thread Michael Lewis
Michael S. Altus sez:

dum-dum-duh-duh-duh-dum-dum-duh-dum

That looks like Morse code. Is it an electronic tone? Are there pauses
in it (to determine the exact letters)? Do you live close to a aircraft
navigation beacon (usually or some other radio signal tower?

My speakers pick up feedback from my cell phone. It goes off
occasionally, probably as the phone is checking nearby connections, and
goes off wildly when ringing.

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Re: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers

2008-07-29 Thread Richard P.
When I have my speakers on, I periodically get a sound, 
dum-dum-duh-duh-duh-dum-dum-duh-dum. Does anyone know what that is? At first, I thought it is a 
time signal at the start of an hour, but I hear it at other times.


Thanks,

Michael
  
Do you have a cellphone nearby? When my cellphone talks to the 
mothership periodically, I can hear it in any nearby speaker.


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Re: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers

2008-07-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
When I have my speakers on, I periodically get a sound, 
dum-dum-duh-duh-duh-dum-dum-duh-dum. Does anyone know what that is? At 
first, I thought it is a time signal at the start of an hour, but I hear 
it at other times.

Probably QRM from a passing vehicle. Check your grounds.


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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
Okay I regret the remark because it sucked the air out of the discussion 
of a really interesting and important topic. 

This week we have Serious and XM merging because the market for their 
services was not as large as they expected. When they first arrived on 
the scene I said (on air) that I wouldn't invest any $ there. The iPod 
was going to make a big dent in their customer base. 

Now we have the the iPod Touch and the iPhones able to provide a mobile 
connection to the 'net. This is a delivery method that nobody was 
anticipating. It could change the whole ball game not just for satellite 
broadcasters, but for conventional broadcasters too.

This is a big deal.


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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Yes and no.

Where I think the Satellite radios have it over Internet radio is sports.

The way sports events are licensed you will not find them on 
conventional internet radio.


I am a big Nascar fan and would like one of the satellite radios to 
catch races when in the car.  (There is no station that has bought 
into the radio broadcasts locally)


Plus there are a few other venues which I do not listen too to make a 
difference.


NPR has a good presence on satellite radio also.  However again down 
here coverage is spotty.  Yes that is where an Internet radio again 
can offer good alternative but it depends on coverage once 
more.  There is too little coverage in some parts of the country for 
it to be a killer, instead it just dies because of lack of 
support.  However satellite because of its universal coverage is a big plus.


So for you on the east coast and in the city it might be the radio 
killer, but for us in the rest of the US satellite will still win 
hands down.  (just for the record I do not have a satellite radio, I 
have been waiting for this deal to happen and them to consolidate 
equipment before I take the plunge)


Stewart



At 01:20 PM 7/29/2008, you wrote:

Okay I regret the remark because it sucked the air out of the discussion
of a really interesting and important topic.

This week we have Serious and XM merging because the market for their
services was not as large as they expected. When they first arrived on
the scene I said (on air) that I wouldn't invest any $ there. The iPod
was going to make a big dent in their customer base.

Now we have the the iPod Touch and the iPhones able to provide a mobile
connection to the 'net. This is a delivery method that nobody was
anticipating. It could change the whole ball game not just for satellite
broadcasters, but for conventional broadcasters too.

This is a big deal.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers

2008-07-29 Thread rlsimon
Wachit ...sound card is saying something...

Maybe it's dum-dum-dum-da-da-da-dum-dum-dum or is it dum-dum-da-dum,
dum-da-dum, da-dum, da-dum ??

Check basement for captives trying their hand at morse code...

http://4arainyday.com/RainyDayArticles/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/arti
cleID/29/Morse-Code.aspx

-Original Message-
From: Tony B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Unusual sound on speakers


Are you sure it's not duh-dum-duh-duh-dum-dum-dum-duh-dum?

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Michael S. Altus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When I have my speakers on, I periodically get a sound, 
 dum-dum-duh-duh-duh-dum-dum-duh-dum. Does anyone know what that is? 
 At first, I thought it is a time signal at the start of an hour, but I 
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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)

2008-07-29 Thread John DeCarlo
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  The problem is that often there just isn't enough context to realize
  that the person is trying to be humorous/ironic/sarcastic.  In

 Yes, I think this is exactly right. Email, forums, listserv posts, IMs, and
 the like lack the cues and/or the space to ensure that the reader knows
 you're joking.  I resisted emoticons for many years before I came (somewhat
 reluctantly) to this conclusion.


I mostly resisted emoticons because of the need to memorize them and their
interpretations.

So for years I did things like this:  wink, grin, rant mode onrant
mode off.

I still prefer that approach, but no one likes to type any more.

Agree that icons make it a little easier, but they go overboard, too - what
does the smiley face with a hat on at a rakish angle mean about the text
just preceeding it?

angry old curmudgeon mode off

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Re: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers

2008-07-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

Out in the country I got it when passing electrified fences.

Stewart


At 01:12 PM 7/29/2008, you wrote:

When I have my speakers on, I periodically get a sound,
dum-dum-duh-duh-duh-dum-dum-duh-dum. Does anyone know what that is? At
first, I thought it is a time signal at the start of an hour, but I hear
it at other times.

Probably QRM from a passing vehicle. Check your grounds.


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread John DeCarlo
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  That's what I was thinking, more creative then the usuall MS
  comment...I had to laugh too.

 OK, yeah, maybe it was marginally less annoying than the usual comments.
 But
 I'm just so tired of it, y'know?


OMG, someone is annoyed!!

I suggest you just ignore anything that annoys you so - you will be much
better off.

BTW, gratuitous insult is an oxymoron when applied to Microsoft.


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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)

2008-07-29 Thread Allen Firstenberg
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 02:38:09PM -0400, John DeCarlo wrote:

 Agree that icons make it a little easier, but they go overboard, too - what
 does the smiley face with a hat on at a rakish angle mean about the text
 just preceeding it?

That the author is trying, and failing, to be cute.


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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone

2008-07-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
Even the friendliest comment has been grossly misinterpreted for lack
of smileys.

But here we are all experienced geeks and we know all about that 
misapprehension stuff. Noboby here would ever make such an error.

And just in case WE HAVE THE FISHES!


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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone

2008-07-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
The only troubling thing is, should the above have '' or not?  It is a
quote but also a reply. This is deeply concerning.

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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
OMG, someone is annoyed!!

Quick..

Go feed the fishes!

Go feed the fishes!

Inhale, exhale.

Repeat.


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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread Constance Warner
Will the iPhone kill radio?  Not for awhile yet--for lots of reasons.

You can get a really groovy short-wave set that will fit in a purse or
the small zipper compartment of a knapsack for around $20.  There's no
subscription charge, and the reception is pretty good.  It runs on
batteries that I get in CVS or Giant, and it will also use rechargables.
Until you can get an iPhone (or equivalent) for $20, and until satellite
radio is free, and until computer batteries are cheap and recharge in 5
minutes, I'm not worried that over-the-air radio is going to disappear.

With radio, you don't have as many choices as you would with satellite
or internet radio, but then lots of people have limited choices (and
limited budgets).  What I can get on my mini-shortwave set around town
beats anything we had when I was growing up.  (What I would really like,
a station that plays early music 24/7, isn't available anywhere anyway.)

I might buy an iPhone-type device some day, because I love cool gadgets.
But for now: Should I pay hundreds of dollars to get an iPhone, and
switch phone services to a service that doesn't work very well in this
area (and that will lock me into a two-year contract), just so I can
listen to RADIO? I don't think so.  I don't think too many other people
will, either.

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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread mike
Not with users like we have.


On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:42 AM, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:



 BTW, gratuitous insult is an oxymoron when applied to Microsoft.


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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone

2008-07-29 Thread mike
If we aren't offending at least some, some of the time, the list would get
boring indeed.

Mike

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The only troubling thing is, should the above have '' or not?  It is a
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Re: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers

2008-07-29 Thread Rich Schinnell

At 03:10 PM 7/29/2008, you wrote:

Date:Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:37:46 -0500
From:Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Unusual sound on speakers
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

Out in the country I got it when passing electrified fences.

Stewart



Brings back old memories of us kids talking the new kid into
peeing on the electric fence.  

We did not tell him that timing was the important part of it
by listening to the hum of the fence charger, in between pulses..

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Re: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers

2008-07-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Thank God I was there when I was an adult  No one ever did that to 
me, but then again I do not think getting one over on the Pastor was 
like that.  :-)


Oh for the days of fresh milk, cheese curds and the smell of dairy air!!!

Stewart


Rich Schinnell wrote:

Brings back old memories of us kids talking the new kid into
peeing on the electric fence.  

We did not tell him that timing was the important part of it
by listening to the hum of the fence charger, in between pulses..

Rich

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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread Tom Piwowar
I might buy an iPhone-type device some day, because I love cool gadgets.
But for now: Should I pay hundreds of dollars to get an iPhone, and
switch phone services to a service that doesn't work very well in this
area (and that will lock me into a two-year contract), just so I can
listen to RADIO? I don't think so.  I don't think too many other people
will, either.

I'm thinking the iPod Touch may have a better future than the iPhone. The 
Touch can hook in to WiFi and WiFi is steadily growing. I'm expecting 
that WiMax will turn out to be the best way to get the 'net out to fringe 
areas. WiMax may eventually replace cell networks by provideing more 
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[CGUYS] Puritans at the helm...

2008-07-29 Thread Steve Rigby

22 public interest groups roast FCC smutless broadband plan
By Matthew Lasar | Published: July 29, 2008 - 08:55AM CT

  They may not agree on net neutrality or the Fairness Doctrine, but  
almost half a dozen advocacy groups from liberal to libertarian do  
concur on one issue: they hate Federal Communications Commission  
Chair Kevin Martin's proposal for a national broadband service with  
the porn filtered out.
Unconstitutional and unwise, their Friday filing calls the plan,  
which they charge amounts to a government mandated 'blacklist' of  
websites. The filtering component would limit the system so  
dramatically that the usefulness of the service would be radically  
reduced. Plus, if the agency actually approved the scheme, it would  
face a tsunami of lawsuits.

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Read on: http://tinyurl.com/6phwoz


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Re: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers

2008-07-29 Thread db
Some speaker cabling is shielded so less vulnerable to picking up 
such... some is not.


db

Richard P. wrote:
When I have my speakers on, I periodically get a sound, 
dum-dum-duh-duh-duh-dum-dum-duh-dum. Does anyone know what that is? 
At first, I thought it is a time signal at the start of an hour, but 
I hear it at other times.


Thanks,

Michael
  
Do you have a cellphone nearby? When my cellphone talks to the 
mothership periodically, I can hear it in any nearby speaker.


Richard P.


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Re: [CGUYS] Emotional About (Cisco) Hardware?

2008-07-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:40 AM, db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Two wrongs don't  make a right...

But three lefts do.
 :)

 db

 John Duncan Yoyo wrote:

 They effectively proved that the fellow was right to with hold that
 information from the idiots in charge.

 On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 This story gets funnier and funnier. Now SF's DA has published a list of
 the city's most sensitive usernames and passwords as evidence in a
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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
TechDirt has a story on ATT cutting off users of P2P software on thier 3g
network.  http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080729/0135151823.shtml  Can
Pandora be far behind?

Radio is broadcast more listeners cost nothing while internet traffic is
narrow cast every listener ads a little bit of cost.  Radio is safe.

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I might buy an iPhone-type device some day, because I love cool gadgets.
 But for now: Should I pay hundreds of dollars to get an iPhone, and
 switch phone services to a service that doesn't work very well in this
 area (and that will lock me into a two-year contract), just so I can
 listen to RADIO? I don't think so.  I don't think too many other people
 will, either.

 I'm thinking the iPod Touch may have a better future than the iPhone. The
 Touch can hook in to WiFi and WiFi is steadily growing. I'm expecting
 that WiMax will turn out to be the best way to get the 'net out to fringe
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Re: [CGUYS] Emotional About (Cisco) Hardware?

2008-07-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

And two made an airplane fly!

Stewart


At 06:07 PM 7/29/2008, you wrote:

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:40 AM, db [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Two wrongs don't  make a right...

But three lefts do.
 :)

 db


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Re: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers

2008-07-29 Thread Jeff Wright
 When I have my speakers on, I periodically get a sound,
 dum-dum-duh-duh-duh-dum-dum-duh-dum. Does anyone know what that is?
 At first, I thought it is a
 time signal at the start of an hour, but I hear it at other times.

Nearby Nextel phone.  I've gotten it with a Treo too.


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Re: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?

2008-07-29 Thread Paula Minor

There are more podcast feeds than I can keep up with. Some of the best
are from NPR, CBC, BBC, and some local stations. iTunes keeps  
filling up

with more and more good stuff. I especially like APM's Future Tense.
These are short, 5-minute programs that often inform me of tech events
that are important but not covered elsewhere,

I have to ditto Tom here.  I used to have every TV in the house on  
all day. Now there is just one on for 'noise' for my parrots.  I have  
very few TV shows I bother to watch.  Radio offers nothing unless I  
can get an occasional program off XM when in the car.   But iTunes  
keeps me so busy with a multitude of informative and educational  
programs that I have a hard time choosing what to listen to first.  I  
download dozens of podcasts every day and find myself looking for  
excuses to work at something that allows me to also listen to my  
mp3 player.  Podcasting is the future of media. It will just take  
some time to get the masses educated as to how to access them.  I can  
listen to my favorite NPR show and my Photoshop tutorials and Mike  
Malloy and Thom Hartmann shows when it's convenient for me and not  
have to be glued to a tv or radio at their chosen time.


Paula
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Re: [CGUYS] Cuil Not Cool

2008-07-29 Thread Paula Minor
The stuff I was searching for was a little esoteric (my own  
website, my husband's name) but Cuil found none of it.  While  
Google finds TONS of references.


  Not Cuil.

I didn't care for it's appearance at all but I do have to say that  
in  searching for my name it did as well as Google.  I'm not  
mentioned on the web much at all and the main reference to me it did  
find tho it was down the list a ways.  It actually had other  
Paula's with different last names listed at the top.

No, not Cuil.

Paula
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Re: [CGUYS] Smileys Are Insulting (was RE: [CGUYS] Will iPhone Kill Radio?)

2008-07-29 Thread Paula Minor

Does anyone else find Smileys to be insulting?
I mean, a little :-) at the end of a comment to explain that you  
meant it
humorously/ironically/sarcastically implies the recipient isn't  
capable of

getting the joke in the first place.
Or maybe I should just switch to decaf today... ;-)

Yep, you should switch.  Smiley's don't bother me at all.  It's way  
too easy to misread someone's intent when they are using 'dry'  
humor ,etc, because you can't see their body language.  The smiley's  
do help keep the intent clear.


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Re: [CGUYS] Unusual sound on speakers

2008-07-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  When I have my speakers on, I periodically get a sound,
  dum-dum-duh-duh-duh-dum-dum-duh-dum. Does anyone know what that is?
  At first, I thought it is a
  time signal at the start of an hour, but I hear it at other times.

 Nearby Nextel phone.  I've gotten it with a Treo too.


iPhones do this too.  I hear it on podcasts every once and awhile.  It is
your phone calling the mother ship.

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