Re: [CGUYS] Amazon.com
Ditto. Three DVD's last week, no problems. Has anyone tried unsuccessfully placing orders at Amazon.com recently? I'm trying to order a few odds n ends but keep getting errors in Firefox and IE6 - for about two weeks now. I ordered two books yesterday, no problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] iPhone competition
The Nokia E71 is getting rave reviews, even when compared directly to iPhone: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/08/22.html http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/207654 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/05/25/nokia-e71-review/ http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/Nokia_E71.php * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
This was taken right off of his public disclosure form Tom don't be so snide! Stewart At 10:20 PM 8/21/2008, you wrote: You should write a book too. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
Public service should be in quotes... On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only that but Obama's income with his wife for last year was listed as 4.3 million not bad for a guy who has done public service most of his life. You should write a book too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone competition
I read three of the reviews. I'm not sure how this phone can be compared directly to the iPhone. That's not knocking either phone, it's just that they seem to be pointed at different markets. The E71 is marketed towards blackberry users IMO, though like the iPhone the E71 doesn't have push. The form factor, interface is much closer to that of typical symbian phones which is to say it's like windows mobile except it works. I really don't see any comparison to the iPhone at all. Verizon's voyager with it's new visual voicemail and interface seems to be much more pointed at would be iPhone customers. Or even the Samsung Instinct. Mike On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The Nokia E71 is getting rave reviews, even when compared directly to iPhone: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/08/22.html http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/207654 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/05/25/nokia-e71-review/ http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/Nokia_E71.php * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPhone competition
I really don't see any comparison to the iPhone at all. I guess they are saying that it can do the same stuff, more or less, so if you want iPhone capabilities but (for whatever reason) don't want to an iPhone, this is a good alternative? I don't know, since I don't use either of them. Just thought it was interesting. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
This was taken right off of his public disclosure form Tom don't be so snide! I wasn't and I didn't disagree. That sum seems to be about average when somebody in the news writes a book. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Amazon.com
Has anyone tried unsuccessfully placing orders at Amazon.com recently? I'm trying to order a few odds n ends but keep getting errors in Firefox and IE6 - for about two weeks now. I have plcaed several orders in that period. No problems. Is Comcast messing with you? You know you can get great deals at comazon.com don't you? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Amazon.com
i placed and received 2 orders during the past week. i logged a return (broken sink top) and printed the barcode sheet for return. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
Unless yer Nancy Pelosi and you have a hard time selling 8 books. Well more then that...but not much. On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was taken right off of his public disclosure form Tom don't be so snide! I wasn't and I didn't disagree. That sum seems to be about average when somebody in the news writes a book. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] They're talking about us! g
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Re: [CGUYS] Amazon.com
I'm trying to order 3 small items apparently from 3 different vendors, so maybe that's the problem. But the error Amazon is giving me is less than helpful: We're sorry! An error occurred when we tried to process your request. Rest assured, we're working to resolve the problem as soon as possible. If you were trying to make a purchase, please check Your Account to confirm that the order was placed. We apologize for the inconvenience. On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:30 PM, gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i placed and received 2 orders during the past week. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore
Recently been playing with Ubuntu. One thing that really surprised me (which shows how wide eyed naive I am) is how with the Ubuntu boot disk my supposedly secured files in XP are wide open. I can take an external hard drive and copy them over - no problem! I was both pleased and displeased by this having foolishly reinstalled Windows XP Pro over the old without first unencrypting my user folder - voila! they were all there but no longer accessible. I had a backup of the stuff but the user folders were taking up space and I couldn't delete them so before reinstalling/erasing them I just wanted to make sure I had indeed gotten everything. Recalling my surprise over the Ubuntu DVD boot disk I decided to try it and yes I could see everything and copy it over. But I could not delete the NTFS files. Still, having secured my files onto the external hard drive, I reinstalled deleting prior junk. So mission accomplished but many security worries flowed from that. More recently, I heard about Red Hat/Fedora having had servers compromised. Here are the relevant advisories: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-August/msg00012.html http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0855.html http://www.redhat.com/security/data/openssh-blacklist.html Perhaps I'm burying the lead here but it seems that Linux has grown up to have its own issues. I recall years ago on The Computer Guys how John Gilroy argued that once Mac or Linux gained a share of the market they would become targets and would have more security concerns. Tom Piwowar countered with the inherent flaws in Microsoft's os which he deemed the straw stirring the drink. Now Linux has gained a foothold in the server world and Mac is increasing at the desktop level. Would be interested to know others' thoughts on these security areas especially as the three operating systems begin to permit more cross platform accessibility. I also remember a quip by Tom that Linux was a great tool to show PC users what it's like to be a Mac user trying to use a PC. You mean it doesn't do this automatically?!!! Cheers, JL * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore
You can find lists of flaws in every released OS out there by year or quarter. Mac OS X is not immune to flaws including security ones. I find it very interesting that when all three OS's are put on equal footing inside an enclosed space, and security experts are told they can win gobs of cash by taking down one or all of the OS's, the last two years the experts went after OS X first because as one of them said 'it was easier' then linux or Vista. I believe at the last one, the linux box was never taken down. The last such event the OS X machine was also taken down by software installed by Apple, while Vista had to have third party apps installed before it was taken down. I know Tom differs, but to me it's obvious it all comes down to the dollar. Most trojans, viruses..malware whatever you want to call it, in the end are trying to generate dollars. Why go after a base of users that is so small as to be almost insignificant? Windows machines are literally everywhere, connected to everything, macs are not. But when cash can be gained equally across all three OS's, it's mac that's taken down first. Draw your own conlcusions about that fact. Mike On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I'm burying the lead here but it seems that Linux has grown up to have its own issues. I recall years ago on The Computer Guys how John Gilroy argued that once Mac or Linux gained a share of the market they would become targets and would have more security concerns. Tom Piwowar countered with the inherent flaws in Microsoft's os which he deemed the straw stirring the drink. Now Linux has gained a foothold in the server world and Mac is increasing at the desktop level. Would be interested to know others' thoughts on these security areas especially as the three operating systems begin to permit more cross platform accessibility. I also remember a quip by Tom that Linux was a great tool to show PC users what it's like to be a Mac user trying to use a PC. You mean it doesn't do this automatically?!!! Cheers, JL * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
Pelosi wrote 8 books?!?!? Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:48 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money... Unless yer Nancy Pelosi and you have a hard time selling 8 books. Well more then that...but not much. On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was taken right off of his public disclosure form Tom don't be so snide! I wasn't and I didn't disagree. That sum seems to be about average when somebody in the news writes a book. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
Pelosi wrote 8 books?!?!? Wow. Not bad for a grandma. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Amazon.com
Make sure that your cookies are enabled properly and security is reasonable. Otherwise, you might just need a good cleanup of your operating system. I managed to order a single item just now, so I know they aren't down entirely. Strange. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Amazon.com
No, eventually I managed to order 2 of the 3 items individually ($shipping hit!). Apparently there was something wrong with one of the items - maybe it had been discontinued or something. I guess I'll never know because that ridiculously vague error message was no help at all! On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Brian Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make sure that your cookies are enabled properly and security is reasonable. Otherwise, you might just need a good cleanup of your operating system. I managed to order a single item just now, so I know they aren't down entirely. Strange. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore
Linux and OSX are daughters of Unix. Unix was not designed with security as a priority... it was designed for speed and efficiency to run on a Digital Equipment Corporation PDP computer that happened to be sitting around without any operating system on it. In graduate school, our instructor gave us copies of the Unix source code and challenged us each night to read it.. and find things like the place where a new task is born. It is beautiful code, but not riddled with security features. (In defense of Unix/Linux/OSX, it has changed quite a bit since those days). - Brian John Gilroy argued that once Mac or Linux gained a share of the market they would become targets and would have more security concerns. Tom Piwowar countered with the inherent flaws in Microsoft's os which he deemed the straw stirring the drink. Now Linux has gained a foothold in the server world and Mac is increasing at the desktop level. Would be interested to know others' thoughts on these security areas especially as the three operating systems begin to permit more cross platform accessibility. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
I doubt I could get that much for writing a book. Stewart At 12:00 PM 8/22/2008, you wrote: I wasn't and I didn't disagree. That sum seems to be about average when somebody in the news writes a book. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...
The United States has the lowest corporate tax rates in the industrialized world. That's effectively subsidizing just about all corporations. You are sadly mistaken if think that there is really any such thing as a corporate tax. Go ahead, raise the corporate tax to 80%. Let us know how much that loaf of bread costs then. Never mind. You don't get it. Yes, non-believers usually don't. Don't forget to avert thine eyes! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Brian Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Linux and OSX are daughters of Unix. Unix was not designed with security as a priority... Well, Very true about Linux. OTOH, OS X is built on Berkeley Unix, which was designed with security in mind. For years and years, it was the most secure and well-built OS. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore
Openbsd is considered the real security branch, freebsd which is what darwin is, is more open and has more support. On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:11 PM, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Brian Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux and OSX are daughters of Unix. Unix was not designed with security as a priority... Well, Very true about Linux. OTOH, OS X is built on Berkeley Unix, which was designed with security in mind. For years and years, it was the most secure and well-built OS. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *