Re: [CGUYS] Amazon.com

2008-08-22 Thread chad evans wyatt
Ditto.  Three DVD's last week, no problems.

 Has anyone tried unsuccessfully placing orders at Amazon.com recently?
 I'm trying to order a few odds n ends but keep getting errors in
 Firefox and IE6 - for about two weeks now. 

I ordered two books yesterday, no problems.


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[CGUYS] iPhone competition

2008-08-22 Thread Chris Dunford
The Nokia E71 is getting rave reviews, even when compared directly to
iPhone:

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/08/22.html
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/207654
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/05/25/nokia-e71-review/
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/Nokia_E71.php


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Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-22 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

This was taken right off of his public disclosure form Tom don't be so snide!

Stewart


At 10:20 PM 8/21/2008, you wrote:


You should write a book too.


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Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-22 Thread mike
Public service should be in quotes...

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not only that but Obama's income with his wife for last year was
 listed as 4.3 million not bad for a guy who has done public service
 most of his life.

 You should write a book too.


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Re: [CGUYS] iPhone competition

2008-08-22 Thread mike
I read three of the reviews.  I'm not sure how this phone can be compared
directly to the iPhone.  That's not knocking either phone, it's just that
they seem to be pointed at different markets.  The E71 is marketed towards
blackberry users IMO, though like the iPhone the E71 doesn't have push.  The
form factor, interface is much closer to that of typical symbian phones
which is to say it's like windows mobile except it works.  I really don't
see any comparison to the iPhone at all.  Verizon's voyager with it's new
visual voicemail and interface seems to be much more pointed at would be
iPhone customers.  Or even the Samsung Instinct.

Mike

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 The Nokia E71 is getting rave reviews, even when compared directly to
 iPhone:

 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/08/22.html
 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/207654
 http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/05/25/nokia-e71-review/
 http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/reviews/item/Nokia_E71.php


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Re: [CGUYS] iPhone competition

2008-08-22 Thread Chris Dunford
 I really don't see any comparison to the iPhone at all.

I guess they are saying that it can do the same stuff, more or less, so if
you want iPhone capabilities but (for whatever reason) don't want to an
iPhone, this is a good alternative?  I don't know, since I don't use either
of them.  Just thought it was interesting.


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Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-22 Thread Tom Piwowar
This was taken right off of his public disclosure form Tom don't be so snide!

I wasn't and I didn't disagree. That sum seems to be about average when 
somebody in the news writes a book.


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Re: [CGUYS] Amazon.com

2008-08-22 Thread Tom Piwowar
 Has anyone tried unsuccessfully placing orders at Amazon.com recently?
 I'm trying to order a few odds n ends but keep getting errors in
 Firefox and IE6 - for about two weeks now.

I have plcaed several orders in that period. No problems.

Is Comcast messing with you?
You know you can get great deals at comazon.com don't you?


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Re: [CGUYS] Amazon.com

2008-08-22 Thread gerald
i placed and received 2 orders during the past week.

i logged a return (broken sink top) and printed the barcode sheet for return. 


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Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-22 Thread mike
Unless yer Nancy Pelosi and you have a hard time selling 8 books.  Well more
then that...but not much.



On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was taken right off of his public disclosure form Tom don't be so
 snide!

 I wasn't and I didn't disagree. That sum seems to be about average when
 somebody in the news writes a book.


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[CGUYS] They're talking about us! g

2008-08-22 Thread Fred Holmes
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080822


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Re: [CGUYS] Amazon.com

2008-08-22 Thread Tony B
I'm trying to order 3 small items apparently from 3 different vendors,
so maybe that's the problem. But the error Amazon is giving me is less
than helpful:

 We're sorry! An error occurred when we tried to process your request.
 Rest assured, we're working to resolve the problem as soon as possible.
 If you were trying to make a purchase, please check Your Account to
 confirm that the order was placed. We apologize for the inconvenience.


On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:30 PM, gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i placed and received 2 orders during the past week.


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[CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recently been playing with Ubuntu.  One thing that really surprised me 
(which shows how wide eyed naive I am) is how with the Ubuntu boot disk 
my supposedly secured files in XP are wide open.  I can take an external 
hard drive and copy them over - no problem!


I was both pleased and displeased by this having foolishly reinstalled 
Windows XP Pro over the old without first unencrypting my user folder - 
voila! they were all there but no longer accessible.  I had a backup of 
the stuff but the user folders were taking up space and I couldn't 
delete them so before reinstalling/erasing them I just wanted to make 
sure I had indeed gotten everything.  Recalling my surprise over the 
Ubuntu DVD boot disk I decided to try it and yes I could see everything 
and copy it over.  But I could not delete the NTFS files.  Still, having 
secured my files onto the external hard drive, I reinstalled deleting 
prior junk.  So mission accomplished but many security worries flowed 
from that.


More recently, I heard about Red Hat/Fedora having had servers 
compromised. Here are the relevant advisories:


https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-August/msg00012.html
http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0855.html
http://www.redhat.com/security/data/openssh-blacklist.html

Perhaps I'm burying the lead here but it seems that Linux has grown up 
to have its own issues.  I recall years ago on The Computer Guys how 
John Gilroy argued that once Mac or Linux gained a share of the market 
they would become targets and would have more security concerns.  Tom 
Piwowar countered with the inherent flaws in Microsoft's os which he 
deemed the straw stirring the drink.  Now Linux has gained a foothold in 
the server world and Mac is increasing at the desktop level.  Would be 
interested to know others' thoughts on these security areas especially 
as the three operating systems begin to permit more cross platform 
accessibility.  I also remember a quip by Tom that Linux was a great 
tool to show PC users what it's like to be a Mac user trying to use a 
PC. You mean it doesn't do this automatically?!!!


Cheers,
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Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-22 Thread mike
You can find lists of flaws in every released OS out there by year or
quarter.  Mac OS X is not immune to flaws including security ones.  I find
it very interesting that when all three OS's are put on equal footing inside
an enclosed space, and security experts are told they can win gobs of cash
by taking down one or all of the OS's, the last two years the experts went
after OS X first because as one of them said 'it was easier' then linux or
Vista.  I believe at the last one, the linux box was never taken down.  The
last such event the OS X machine was also taken down by software installed
by Apple, while Vista had to have third party apps installed before it was
taken down.

I know Tom differs, but to me it's obvious it all comes down to the dollar.
Most trojans, viruses..malware whatever you want to call it, in the end are
trying to generate dollars.  Why go after a base of users that is so small
as to be almost insignificant?  Windows machines are literally everywhere,
connected to everything, macs are not.  But when cash can be gained equally
across all three OS's, it's mac that's taken down first.

Draw your own conlcusions about that fact.

Mike

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Perhaps I'm burying the lead here but it seems that Linux has grown up to
 have its own issues.  I recall years ago on The Computer Guys how John
 Gilroy argued that once Mac or Linux gained a share of the market they would
 become targets and would have more security concerns.  Tom Piwowar countered
 with the inherent flaws in Microsoft's os which he deemed the straw stirring
 the drink.  Now Linux has gained a foothold in the server world and Mac is
 increasing at the desktop level.  Would be interested to know others'
 thoughts on these security areas especially as the three operating systems
 begin to permit more cross platform accessibility.  I also remember a quip
 by Tom that Linux was a great tool to show PC users what it's like to be a
 Mac user trying to use a PC. You mean it doesn't do this automatically?!!!

 Cheers,
 JL





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Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-22 Thread Larry Sacks
Pelosi wrote 8 books?!?!?

Larry 

-Original Message-
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To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

Unless yer Nancy Pelosi and you have a hard time selling 8 books.  Well
more
then that...but not much.



On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was taken right off of his public disclosure form Tom don't be
so
 snide!

 I wasn't and I didn't disagree. That sum seems to be about average
when
 somebody in the news writes a book.




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Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-22 Thread Tom Piwowar
Pelosi wrote 8 books?!?!?

Wow. Not bad for a grandma.


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Re: [CGUYS] Amazon.com

2008-08-22 Thread Brian Jones
Make sure that your cookies are enabled properly and security is reasonable. 
Otherwise, you might just need a good cleanup of your operating system.



I managed to order a single item just now, so I know they aren't down
entirely. Strange.



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Re: [CGUYS] Amazon.com

2008-08-22 Thread Tony B
No, eventually I managed to order 2 of the 3 items individually
($shipping hit!). Apparently there was something wrong with one of the
items - maybe it had been discontinued or something. I guess I'll
never know because that ridiculously vague error message was no help
at all!


On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Brian Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Make sure that your cookies are enabled properly and security is reasonable.
 Otherwise, you might just need a good cleanup of your operating system.

 I managed to order a single item just now, so I know they aren't down
 entirely. Strange.


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Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-22 Thread Brian Jones
Linux and OSX are daughters of Unix.  Unix was not designed with security as 
a priority... it was designed for speed and efficiency to run on a Digital 
Equipment Corporation PDP computer that happened to be sitting around 
without any operating system on it.  In graduate school, our instructor gave 
us copies of the Unix source code and challenged us each night to read it.. 
and find things like the place where a new task is born.  It is beautiful 
code, but not riddled with security features.  (In defense of 
Unix/Linux/OSX, it has changed quite a bit since those days).


 - Brian


John Gilroy argued that once Mac or Linux gained a share of the market 
they would become targets and would have more security concerns.  Tom 
Piwowar countered with the inherent flaws in Microsoft's os which he 
deemed the straw stirring the drink.  Now Linux has gained a foothold in 
the server world and Mac is increasing at the desktop level.  Would be 
interested to know others' thoughts on these security areas especially as 
the three operating systems begin to permit more cross platform 
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Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-22 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall

I doubt I could get that much for writing a book.

Stewart


At 12:00 PM 8/22/2008, you wrote:

I wasn't and I didn't disagree. That sum seems to be about average when
somebody in the news writes a book.


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Re: [CGUYS] What we actually get for our money...

2008-08-22 Thread Jeff Wright
 The United States has the lowest corporate tax rates in the
 industrialized world. That's effectively subsidizing just about all
 corporations.

You are sadly mistaken if think that there is really any such thing as a
corporate tax.  Go ahead, raise the corporate tax to 80%.  Let us know how
much that loaf of bread costs then.

 Never mind. You don't get it.

Yes, non-believers usually don't.  Don't forget to avert thine eyes! 


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Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-22 Thread John DeCarlo
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Brian Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Linux and OSX are daughters of Unix.  Unix was not designed with security
 as a priority...


Well,

Very true about Linux.

OTOH, OS X is built on Berkeley Unix, which was designed with security in
mind.  For years and years, it was the most secure and well-built OS.

-- 
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own


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Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-22 Thread mike
Openbsd is considered the real security branch, freebsd which is what darwin
is, is more open and has more support.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:11 PM, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Brian Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  Linux and OSX are daughters of Unix.  Unix was not designed with security
  as a priority...


 Well,

 Very true about Linux.

 OTOH, OS X is built on Berkeley Unix, which was designed with security in
 mind.  For years and years, it was the most secure and well-built OS.

 --
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