Re: [CGUYS] Iphone competition

2008-09-21 Thread db
The open-source Android based phones will starting popping up any time 
now.  Google's in October for $199 from T-Mobile I think.


db

Tom Piwowar wrote:

Of all the Iphone competitors out there this might be a worthy adversary.



With Apple now on the third iteration of the iPhone you would think that 
somebody who was already in the cell phone business would have been able 
to develop a competitor. I just can't believe it is taking them so long.



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[CGUYS] itunes and podcasts and backups

2008-09-21 Thread mike
Is it me, or is there no way to export an XML etc of the podcasts itunes has
subscribed to?  Is there not an easy way to move your podcasts from one
system to another, one install to another?

Mike


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Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-21 Thread Jeff Wright
 It's really, really hard to take seriously anyone who espouses such a
 ridiculous point of view.

You expect to have a serious and honest discussion with someone who's the
epistemological equivalent of the Ministry of Silly Walks?


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Re: [CGUYS] Macs Produced Part of Microsoft's 'I'm a PC' Ads

2008-09-21 Thread Chris Dunford
 AOL was never cool...never.

That's right. The techies all used CompuServe. AOL was for the kids and
granny and anyone who wasn't really interested in computers. Unfortunately,
there were a lot more of them, and they ate CIS up...


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Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-21 Thread mike
You going back to 1996?  That was when some dust up occurred regarding
bringing in pc's...but they weren't getting rid of macs out of engineering
etc, just the office areas.

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 The new MS ad includes a NASA engineer. This is an especially a bitter
 pill because NASA was a Mac shop. They got a nutty new IT chief and he
 started to cart out the Macs. It got very ugly. So ugly that the NASA IG
 was brought in to look at his misconduct.




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Re: [CGUYS] Another RAID data point

2008-09-21 Thread Tom Piwowar
I've been thinking cost analysis hasn't been on the high list when talking
about RAID.  Not all firms can/will enjoy the
bestest/strongest/fastest/mostest.

Curiously the smart folks who do the job right are often also the ones 
who charge the least. Probably because they have fewer messes to clean 
up. The folks with the Brobdingnagian RAIDs never seem able to control 
costs. They need to stock all those duplicate controllers, drives, etc. 
and then scramble when the whole system is hosed.


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Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-21 Thread Tom Piwowar
You going back to 1996?  That was when some dust up occurred regarding
bringing in pc's...but they weren't getting rid of macs out of engineering
etc, just the office areas.

Deny, deny, deny, blow smoke, obfuscate, question every fact, make 
personal attacks, ridicule, mock, scoff, sneer, jeer, obscure, etc., etc.

It was not a dust up it was an outrage.


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Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-21 Thread Eric S. Sande
No I'm not demonizing MS. This has nothing to do with MS directly, except 
their acknowledgement of it in their most recent advertising campaign.


Could have fooled me.

I'm also demonizing the MS minions: so-called IT professionals who coerce 
their professional staff with all the threats I cited previously.


Well, I mean either you are or you aren't.  I'm not privy to what goes
on elsewhere, and I can respect your experience.  If you say that the
culture favors MSFT over AAPL then that's fine.

That's the way it is.  I get my business done on pretty basic Windows
boxes talking to mainframes.  The terminal equipment isn't really an
issue in a business sense.  I can do what I need to do on any VT100
capable platform.  The mainframes are where the action is.  They run
Unix variants.

It's a nice bonus to have edge devices that can talk to the net.

But I am not extremely concerned about the flavor of the edge
device.

In terms of personal computing the Mac has some advantages.  I
would have speced a Mac for my mother if I didn't visit her regularly
and wanted to play games while I was there.  I really don't care
for the Mac platforms because they don't do what I want well.

I have a friend who is a Windows sysadmin that loves his Powerbook.

OK, I don't get out much.  But I know what sliced baloney looks like.

 



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Re: [CGUYS] Lightning fast FIOS died again

2008-09-21 Thread rlsimon
disappointing ...I was almost on the verge of breaking down and ordering
comcast cable for internet and for tv to get a combo deal and avoid lots of
dongles and boxes all over the house for digital but now with the limit put
on I have a sense they are using the limit as a mitigation of their not
rolling out enough bandwidth to accommodate all the digital stuff and all
the imbeciles downloading all the porn they can get resulting in sludge for
we the poor fools who just wanna use the net and watch TV like humans!!

-Original Message-
From: gerald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:30 AM
To: rlsimon
Subject: RE: Lightning fast FIOS died again


when i got comcast cable, it was a new fangled thing.  had problems for the
first year, then rock solid.

got dsl verizon for my factory.  they did not even have real working
software to establish a connection in my factory.  once they got it ironed
out, worked great.

today, i plan to buy a wireless desktop adaptor so i can hack into my
neighborhood wireless networks.

my wife has a mac, so she had no problem hacking in.

regards

jer

At 03:34 PM 9/19/2008, you wrote:


Say it ain't so, ger...

-Original Message-
From: gerald [  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 2:28 PM
Subject: Lightning fast FIOS died again


Verizon has some major downtown hardware problems.  couple months ago TV and
telephone stayed, but internet died for 4 days.

the tele and tel stayed on again, but internet died for 2 days.  verizon is
not too swift about it, they had 4 guys out here for better part of a day,
and they could not tell if i had a signal to the house or not.  they thought
they could see the box outside from the central station, but it took a whole
day for them to decide they did not have an internet connection from central
station to here.  

they decided i was not the individual problem when they got about 10 or 20
other complaints from the area.  amazing way to troubleshoot.

contact with verizon is very ungood.  hard to believe, but comcast is an
order of magnitude better.  i cannot believe i have said anything about
comcast is good. 


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[CGUYS] Why Small business's and Non_profits buy PC's and Windows

2008-09-21 Thread Rich Schinnell

I guess it is time to insert a little economy into the discussion of
why people buy PC's with windows.

1. Most Non-Profits, like the one that I volunteer for seem to 
perpetually have a lack of funds to purchase PC's.  Lots of what they 
get are second hand donations which makes the price correct.


2. Many small business's of 3-10 persons like law, medical and 
accounting offices purchase their PC's base on bang for the buck. 
which means price.
I bought a client 4 Dell's from MicroCenter for $399 each, they came 
with XP Pro, 1gig Ram and 80 gig hard disks. And a keyboard and mouse 
included. No monitors but cheap LCD's abound.


3. Non-Profits can purchase software and hardware thru TechSoup, 
which MS sells their XP pro for around $8 a copy. And MS Office pro 
for about the same.


Of course the Non-Profit that I volunteer for has around 120 
workstations and 8 windows 2003 servers.  No Apple products were 
available for them to purchase at a cheap price like Intel PC's and 
MS products.  They did get a really good price break from Dell on 
their servers and switch's.


(I don't think that the BOD would approve purchasing MAC's when they 
can get Windows PC's for a small amount of outlay.)


Techsoup is the primary place for validated non-profit's to acquire 
hardware and software at real cheap prices.  No Apple products seem 
to be visible. I understand that Apple does provide software/hardware 
in small amounts to some non-profits that jump thru the many-many 
hoops to get it.


PS:
I printed Tom's comments about the mental instability of their 
decisions for them to review and they all said to tell him to piss up a rope



sorry but I guess I am among the unwashed..  G

Rich Schinnell

PPS: Chris, you seem to be peeing into the wind.. 



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Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-21 Thread Eric S. Sande
If you don't like my interpretation of the most recent MS I'm  PC ads 
and how they relate to Apple's I'm a Mac ads you are invited to present 
your own. But just calling me names doesn't cut it.


Specify when I ever called names.  I have the utmost respect for
all the participants on this list.  If you can't handle what I have to
say then you can choose to ignore it.


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Re: [CGUYS] Another RAID data point

2008-09-21 Thread mike
The problem is the options given in place of RAID have cost more.

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've been thinking cost analysis hasn't been on the high list when talking
 about RAID.  Not all firms can/will enjoy the
 bestest/strongest/fastest/mostest.

 Curiously the smart folks who do the job right are often also the ones
 who charge the least. Probably because they have fewer messes to clean
 up. The folks with the Brobdingnagian RAIDs never seem able to control
 costs. They need to stock all those duplicate controllers, drives, etc.
 and then scramble when the whole system is hosed.


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Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-21 Thread mike
I just read an article in businessweek about it..um, yeah it wasn't an
'outrage'.

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You going back to 1996?  That was when some dust up occurred regarding
 bringing in pc's...but they weren't getting rid of macs out of engineering
 etc, just the office areas.

 Deny, deny, deny, blow smoke, obfuscate, question every fact, make
 personal attacks, ridicule, mock, scoff, sneer, jeer, obscure, etc., etc.

 It was not a dust up it was an outrage.


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Re: [CGUYS] Zune [was: iTunes 8 causing BSOD]

2008-09-21 Thread Jeff Wright
  Deny, deny, deny, blow smoke, obfuscate, question every fact, make
  personal attacks, ridicule, mock, scoff, sneer, jeer, obscure, etc.,
 etc.

Tom!  Did you really mean to forward your playbook to the list?  Were you
getting jealous about all the attention Palin was getting with her hacked
Yahoo account?


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Re: [CGUYS] Why Small business's and Non_profits buy PC's and Windows

2008-09-21 Thread Jeff Wright
 3. Non-Profits can purchase software and hardware thru TechSoup,
 which MS sells their XP pro for around $8 a copy. And MS Office pro
 for about the same.

Tech Soup rocks.  Gifts in kind is good too, but not as broad an offering.

 Of course the Non-Profit that I volunteer for has around 120
 workstations and 8 windows 2003 servers.  No Apple products were
 available for them to purchase at a cheap price like Intel PC's and
 MS products.  They did get a really good price break from Dell on
 their servers and switch's.

These are all very valid points, which Tom will promptly ignore.  

Thanks for taking the time to write that up anyway, Rich.

Another factor to consider is Apple's near-vacuum in enterprise support.
Sure, if you slip them enough dough for what they call enterprise support,
you might actually get an Apple tech on-site.  Otherwise, get with the
schleppin' to the mall to the nearest Apple store, or possibly even
Delaware, as Betty has advised us.  

I call Dell and they are there, on-site that day or the next with the part,
depending on what I call them about.  They don't try and shake me down for
more cash so that they'll actually show up.


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Re: [CGUYS] Diagnosis: Hard Drive Failure

2008-09-21 Thread b_s-wilk

Better yet, have your wife take it in to the genius bar. She can sweetly
ask them to show her how it's done. Might get them to do it free...


Good thing it was a Betty writing this.


It works, too. Men are so easy.


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Re: [CGUYS] Another RAID data point

2008-09-21 Thread John DeCarlo
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 6:38 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The problem is the options given in place of RAID have cost more.


Well, it depends on what cost you associate with losing data and down time.

I still don't believe that extra servers are as expensive as you think -
they don't need to be as high powered as the one server for everything
approach you like for small businesses.

-- 
John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own


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