Re: [CGUYS] Powerbook G3 keyboard

2008-11-03 Thread b_s-wilk
Kittens drink too much coffee too. I washed my white Mac keyboard a few 
months ago, after taking it apart; hung it in the greenhouse for 3 days 
to dry. Works fine now.


Be careful: if you take your keyboard apart, it's really hard to get the 
space bar or other spring-loaded keys back on so that they work again!


Betty



I don't care if they drink coffee,  I just  don't want them  drinking while  at 
 the  computer.

Steve


Judy Cosler wrote:

coffee isn't good for dogs! you shouldn't let them drink coffee!!!   ;-)



One of our dogs spilled coffee on my wife's Powerbook G3 keyboard
(Bronze keyboard). Now a few of the keys don't work. I know I can pick a
keyboard for it off ebay, but where can I get instructions on how to
replace it? 



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Re: [CGUYS] Powerbook G3 keyboard

2008-11-03 Thread Steve Rigby

On Nov 3, 2008, at 8:25 AM, b_s-wilk wrote:

Kittens drink too much coffee too. I washed my white Mac keyboard a  
few months ago, after taking it apart; hung it in the greenhouse for  
3 days to dry. Works fine now.


  I had to wash my white Mac keyboard a while back, but I did not  
take it apart.  I just ran warm water over it for a bit, shook it out,  
let it dry for a couple of days, and it worked fine thereafter.


  Steve


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Re: [CGUYS] cannot delete device from device manager

2008-11-03 Thread rlsimon
Dunno...the zip drive shows in disk management as a removable disk and
functions properly.  Today when booting the notice showed new device found
and tried to install that tape controller again ...it failed and tape
controller shows a bang in device manager but will not uninstall.

-Original Message-
From: Wayne Dernoncourt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: cannot delete device from device manager


Tony B
 Ignore it. It's not harming anything or taking up
 resources. Leave it alone.

 It may also be some driver needed by some program,
 which might explain why it keeps coming back when
 you try to delete it.

Could the Zip drive be masquerading as a tape drive...

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[CGUYS] tweakui setting not sticky

2008-11-03 Thread rlsimon
when I set the winxphomesp3 using tweakui to boot automatically to one
useraccount, it does so for a while and then returns to showing a choice of
user accounts on the screen before proceeding ...how come?


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Re: [CGUYS] tweakui setting not sticky

2008-11-03 Thread Tony B
That method has never worked. You must do this:

A. To enable autologon and bypass XP's prompt to enter a username and
password, perform the following steps:

   1. Select Run from the Start menu.
   2. Enter

  control userpasswords2

  and click OK.
   3. Select the Users tab.
   4. Uncheck the Users must enter a user name and password to use this
computer.
   5. Click OK.
   6. When the system prompts you, enter a username and password for users
who automatically log on, and click OK.




On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:20 AM, rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 when I set the winxphomesp3 using tweakui to boot automatically to one
 useraccount, it does so for a while and then returns to showing a choice of
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Re: [CGUYS] cannot delete device from device manager

2008-11-03 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
rlsimon
 Dunno...the zip drive shows in disk management as a removable
 disk and functions properly.  Today when booting the notice
 showed new device found and tried to install that tape
 controller again ...it failed and tape controller shows a
 bang in device manager but will not uninstall.

The controller could be the one doing the masquerading.  Didn't
Iomega start out with tape drives?  Could they be using the
same controller for the Zip drives?  They already have a driver
for that.  I think they used to write a directory to the end of
the tape (didn't they?).

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Re: [CGUYS] cannot delete device from device manager

2008-11-03 Thread Richard P.
You might want to try download.com, which has a couple of utilities
which supposedly will analyze for missing drivers.

Richard P.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:20 AM, rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dunno...the zip drive shows in disk management as a removable disk and
 functions properly.  Today when booting the notice showed new device found
 and tried to install that tape controller again ...it failed and tape
 controller shows a bang in device manager but will not uninstall.

 -Original Message-
 From: Wayne Dernoncourt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:00 PM
 Subject: Re: cannot delete device from device manager


 Tony B
 Ignore it. It's not harming anything or taking up
 resources. Leave it alone.

 It may also be some driver needed by some program,
 which might explain why it keeps coming back when
 you try to delete it.

 Could the Zip drive be masquerading as a tape drive...

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[CGUYS] New Chip Technology Poses Threat to Homeland Security

2008-11-03 Thread Mike Sloane

http://www.infopackets.com/news/government/2008/20081103_new_chip_technology_poses_threat_to_homeland_security.htm


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[CGUYS] Odd Time Stamp Problem

2008-11-03 Thread Q. Fisher
I back up my Dell (runnung Vista) to a WD My Book 500 Gb External hard 
dive.


With the changeover to Standard time, all the files on the External 
drive now show timestamps one hour later than all the files on my C 
drive. The time stamps on another backup drive (Maxtor) and on DVD's 
agree, so the error is in the WD.


Any ideas? WD blows it off by saying its probably Vista's doing, but no 
specifics. Makes it incremental backup impossible.


Quentin Fisher
Bethesda, MD


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Re: [CGUYS] cannot delete device from device manager

2008-11-03 Thread rlsimon
Dunno either ...tape drive controller shows bang and cannot be disabled or
deleted and also shows no driver and cannot be rolled back or updated ...??

-Original Message-
From: Wayne Dernoncourt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 12:40 PM
To: rlsimon
Cc: 'Computer Guys Discussion List'
Subject: RE: cannot delete device from device manager


rlsimon
 Dunno...the zip drive shows in disk management as a removable disk and 
 functions properly.  Today when booting the notice showed new device 
 found and tried to install that tape controller again ...it failed 
 and tape controller shows a bang in device manager but will not 
 uninstall.

The controller could be the one doing the masquerading.  Didn't Iomega start
out with tape drives?  Could they be using the same controller for the Zip
drives?  They already have a driver for that.  I think they used to write a
directory to the end of the tape (didn't they?).

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Re: [CGUYS] Odd Time Stamp Problem

2008-11-03 Thread Allen Firstenberg
Your Vista machine is probably using NTFS for its file system.  Your
external drive is probably using FAT32.  NTFS handles DST correctly,
while FAT32 does not.

Solution is to upgrade the external drive to NTFS (or some other real
file system).

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 12:30:24PM -0500, Q. Fisher wrote:
 I back up my Dell (runnung Vista) to a WD My Book 500 Gb External hard 
 dive.
 
 With the changeover to Standard time, all the files on the External 
 drive now show timestamps one hour later than all the files on my C 
 drive. The time stamps on another backup drive (Maxtor) and on DVD's 
 agree, so the error is in the WD.
 
 Any ideas? WD blows it off by saying its probably Vista's doing, but no 
 specifics. Makes it incremental backup impossible.
 
 Quentin Fisher
 Bethesda, MD
 
 
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Re: [CGUYS] Odd Time Stamp Problem

2008-11-03 Thread Tony B
Why would this interfere with incremental backups? In an incremental, only
*changed* files are supposed to be included. Besides, even if it depended on
time instead of changes, just do one full backup.


On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Q. Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I back up my Dell (runnung Vista) to a WD My Book 500 Gb External hard
 dive.

 With the changeover to Standard time, all the files on the External drive
 now show timestamps one hour later than all the files on my C drive. The
 time stamps on another backup drive (Maxtor) and on DVD's agree, so the
 error is in the WD.

 Any ideas? WD blows it off by saying its probably Vista's doing, but no
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Re: [CGUYS] Odd Time Stamp Problem

2008-11-03 Thread Judy Cosler

how does one upgrade an external drive?
what is NTFS?? Well, I see it is a file system, but what is that?



Allen Firstenberg wrote:

Your Vista machine is probably using NTFS for its file system.  Your
external drive is probably using FAT32.  NTFS handles DST correctly,
while FAT32 does not.

Solution is to upgrade the external drive to NTFS (or some other real
file system).

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 12:30:24PM -0500, Q. Fisher wrote:
  
I back up my Dell (runnung Vista) to a WD My Book 500 Gb External hard 
dive.


With the changeover to Standard time, all the files on the External 
drive now show timestamps one hour later than all the files on my C 
drive. The time stamps on another backup drive (Maxtor) and on DVD's 
agree, so the error is in the WD.


Any ideas? WD blows it off by saying its probably Vista's doing, but no 
specifics. Makes it incremental backup impossible.


Quentin Fisher
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Re: [CGUYS] Odd Time Stamp Problem

2008-11-03 Thread Snyder, Mark (IT CIV)
It is Microsoft's file system: New Technology File System.  Remember
Windows NT?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
what is NTFS?? Well, I see it is a file system, but what is that?


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Re: [CGUYS] Odd Time Stamp Problem

2008-11-03 Thread Judy Cosler

but, i still don't understand.
to me, a file system is Windows Explorer.
so, obviously we're talking about different things!

Snyder, Mark (IT CIV) wrote:

It is Microsoft's file system: New Technology File System.  Remember
Windows NT?

Thank you,

Mark Snyder
-Original Message-
what is NTFS?? Well, I see it is a file system, but what is that?


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Re: [CGUYS] Odd Time Stamp Problem

2008-11-03 Thread Chris Dunford
 what is NTFS?? Well, I see it is a file system, but what is that?

It's how the files are organized on the disk. In the PC world there are two
primary file systems, FAT and NTFS. FAT is the older system; it uses
somewhat less space and is OK for smaller drives, but for larger drives the
newer NTFS is preferred. It provides faster access, stores more info about
the files (e.g., when they were last used), and effectively eliminates a
number of FAT constraints (like maximum partition size).


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Re: [CGUYS] Odd Time Stamp Problem

2008-11-03 Thread Chris Dunford
 but, i still don't understand.
 to me, a file system is Windows Explorer.
 so, obviously we're talking about different things!

The file system is what Windows Explorer explores. :)

(Well, sorta. It explores other stuff too, but mainly you're looking at
stuff that the file system has organized.)


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Re: [CGUYS] Odd Time Stamp Problem

2008-11-03 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Windows Explorer is pretty much a GUI  Graphical User Interface, 
enabling you to see things and access them.


The true GUI is Windows XP or Leopard, or Linux, but they all use a 
GUI (windows explorer, gnome, and a number of otehrs as I do not know 
what apple calls theirs,) as a desktop to manage your stuff.


Stewart

At 01:41 PM 11/3/2008, you wrote:

but, i still don't understand.
to me, a file system is Windows Explorer.
so, obviously we're talking about different things!


Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org
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Re: [CGUYS] Real Player download mngr.

2008-11-03 Thread Jeff Miles
Thanks for the input, but anymore productive answer then just get rid  
of it?


Jeff M


On Nov 2, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:


An an iMac running OS-10.5.5, does anyone know how to shut off this
Real Player download manager thing?


Should never have allowed it to install in the first place.

Have you tried dragging RealPlayer or RealOne Player into the trash  
and

emptying the trash? That is the official uninstall method.



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Re: [CGUYS] Odd Time Stamp Problem

2008-11-03 Thread Tony B
You can determine the file system quickly by simply right clicking the
driveProperties.

But does anyone really ship these with FAT32? That would mean no files 2gb
or (4?).

If you have to convert:
http://tinyurl.com/6m4gc7
http://aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.htm


On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Judy Cosler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 how does one upgrade an external drive?
 what is NTFS?? Well, I see it is a file system, but what is that?


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Re: [CGUYS] 802.11N and Mac?

2008-11-03 Thread David K Watson

I have had a 1TB Time Capsule since June, and it works pretty
well for me.  I haven't had to use it to restore my MacBook, but
I have used it a couple of times to rescue a file I had mistakenly
deleted or otherwise messed up.  I set it up to operate with user
accounts for each member of my family, which gives us each a
private network disk and a common one.  This gives us an easy
way to transfer files between computers and keeps my Time
Machine backup image more secure.

I am still concerned about how good it is as a backup solution
though, so I regularly clone my hard drive to an external disk.
Also, I recently had an issue where the Time Machine backup
failed because it couldn't mount the backup disk image.  I blame
this on our microwave, which sometimes interrupts the wireless
network and probably did so at a critical point in an hourly backup.
I was able to repair the disk image with Disk Utility (which took a
while) and then spotlight had to re-index the disk image at the
next incremental backup (which also took a while), but Time
Machine has again worked properly ever since.

I wanted something like a Time Capsule because I didn't want to
have an external drive plugged into my laptop semi-permanently.
I got the Time Capsule with built-in storage because I didn't want
to have to deal with an extra set of cords and I didn't want to have
to worry about whether an external USB disk would wake and sleep
correctly.  From what I've read though, an Airport Extreme with a
good external drive works as well as a Time Capsule and has the
advantage of the drive being swappable if the Airport should fail.

If I had a desktop capable of running Leopard, I would definitely
use an attached drive or spare internal drive for my Time Machine
disk.


I'm thinking about moving from 802.11G to 802.11N, I
have a Mac and am wondering if getting an Airport
Express with or without disk drives would be a good
thing.  I have a home NAS that has gigabit ethernet,
of course the DSL isn't close to that so internet
access would still be slow.

Are the drives with the airport now a reasonable
back-up strategy?  (initially wired, once backed up
that would happen via wireless at least occasionally)



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Re: [CGUYS] Real Player download mngr.

2008-11-03 Thread Richard P.
Not sure what Real's Update Manager is but in Windows, Real Player has
an option to turn off AutoUpdate. If this will help, it's:
ToolsPreferencesAutomatic ServicesAutoUpdate, and then uncheck
Automaticallydownload and Install important updates. Good luck.

Richard P.


 An an iMac running OS-10.5.5, does anyone know how to shut off this
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[CGUYS] Help! Apple Mail Ghosts

2008-11-03 Thread Alvin Auerbach
ClamXav 1.1.1 looked at Apple's Mail and found 2 incoming messages  
that were suspicious, and asked to delete them. I gave the okay, and  
the messages were moved to the computer's trash. However, the 2  
messages are still listed in the Inbox. box. When I open them, they  
are blank - ghosts!


When I delete them, they remain in the Inbox.
When I drag them to another mailbox - Trash, Junk, anything, they  
remain in the Inbox.

I used [command-delete]. Didn't work.
I opened the Mail folder in my Home library, and dragged the  
INBOX.imapmbox folder to the desktop. Mail created another one, and  
the ghost messages remain, and the Messages folder with in the Inbox  
folder is empty.
I checked Apple and Google, and found a problem like that with AOL  
mail, and the solution was to update the OS. Both my OS and my Mail  
program are the latest version.
I found a reference to a similar problem, but their solution was to  
change the type of email account.

Rebuild the Mailbox does not apply to the Inbox.
I replaced the app from my Leopard disk.
The message count is often wrong, but I ignored it. Is this a clue?
I save most of my mail, and the size of my Mail folder is 1.45 GB. Is  
that a factor?


Does anyone have any ideas on how to exorcise these ghost messages?!

Alvin


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Re: [CGUYS] Real Player download mngr.

2008-11-03 Thread Jeff Miles
	Thanks for the help, but update isn't it. I also have that function.  
It just checks for a newer version of Real Player. This thing seems to  
be a program within a program that saves all video to some folder  
whenever it sees some kind of tag (I'm assuming here) on a web page. I  
use a site called hsx.com, that's Hollywood Movie Stock Exchange. I  
know, the url looks like it might be something else. Anyway, they have  
adds on their pages that will pop up the Real Player downloader thing.  
This just started happening a month or so ago, so I'm also assuming  
this is something relatively new. And I can't find anyway to shut the  
thing off in the preferences of either Real Player or the RP Downloader.


Jeff


On Nov 3, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Richard P. wrote:


Not sure what Real's Update Manager is but in Windows, Real Player has
an option to turn off AutoUpdate. If this will help, it's:
ToolsPreferencesAutomatic ServicesAutoUpdate, and then uncheck
Automaticallydownload and Install important updates. Good luck.

Richard P.



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Re: [CGUYS] Real Player download mngr.

2008-11-03 Thread slogan2k1
What is your privacy setting? (Tools == Internet Options == Privacy).  Try 
medium-low.

Do you have pop-ups blocked?
 





From: Jeff Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 6:33:34 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Real Player download mngr.

    Thanks for the help, but update isn't it. I also have that function.  
It just checks for a newer version of Real Player. This thing seems to  
be a program within a program that saves all video to some folder  
whenever it sees some kind of tag (I'm assuming here) on a web page. I  
use a site called hsx.com, that's Hollywood Movie Stock Exchange. I  
know, the url looks like it might be something else. Anyway, they have  
adds on their pages that will pop up the Real Player downloader thing.  
This just started happening a month or so ago, so I'm also assuming  
this is something relatively new. And I can't find anyway to shut the  
thing off in the preferences of either Real Player or the RP Downloader.

Jeff


On Nov 3, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Richard P. wrote:

 Not sure what Real's Update Manager is but in Windows, Real Player has
 an option to turn off AutoUpdate. If this will help, it's:
 ToolsPreferencesAutomatic ServicesAutoUpdate, and then uncheck
 Automaticallydownload and Install important updates. Good luck.

 Richard P.


 An an iMac running OS-10.5.5, does anyone know how to shut off this
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Re: [CGUYS] battery replacement seems to have fixed audio problem

2008-11-03 Thread db
You need to be very careful about static electricity discharge when 
working inside a computer case. 

Leaving the CPU plugged in while turned off and grounding your hand to 
the power supply's case each time before you touch other internal 
electronics is a good approach.


db

Ranbo wrote:

It did take awhile and getting the battery out wasn't easy.  Manual
mentioned using a plastic screwdriver; maybe this is something I should get
for a next time.  Now that I know how to open cover, that should be quicker
next time.

Randall

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Marcio V. Pinheiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  

Just an advice on the side. I only open my computer to do whatever, replace
the CMOS battery, replace HD, etc
starting on a Sunday that I am free with my time, starting at 8 AM. Prior
to that I used to start after work in the
evening and spent the whole night struggling with it. No longer... And...
after you replace the first CMOS battery
the next time it will be very easy.

Computers sometimes scare us!...

Marcio

At 20:35 2/11/2008, you wrote:



At 06:11 PM 11/2/2008, Ranbo wrote:
  

After replacing CMOS battery the sound volume coming through speakers
connected to computer seems to have returned to normal.  Does this make
sense?  Even if it doesn't, I'll take it.  When I changed the battery it


was
  

the first time I ever took cover off the computer.  I didn't notice any
ghosts in the machine.  Was I just not looking hard enough?

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Re: [CGUYS] Real Player download mngr.

2008-11-03 Thread Richard P.
What version are you running? I see something that sounds promising in
version 11.0.1 Build 949: Added a preference to the Downloader to
enable/disable Advanced Video Detection.. Just a wild guess...

Richard P.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the help, but update isn't it. I also have that function.
 It just checks for a newer version of Real Player. This thing seems to be a
 program within a program that saves all video to some folder whenever it
 sees some kind of tag (I'm assuming here) on a web page. I use a site called
 hsx.com, that's Hollywood Movie Stock Exchange. I know, the url looks like
 it might be something else. Anyway, they have adds on their pages that will
 pop up the Real Player downloader thing. This just started happening a month
 or so ago, so I'm also assuming this is something relatively new. And I
 can't find anyway to shut the thing off in the preferences of either Real
 Player or the RP Downloader.

 Jeff


 On Nov 3, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Richard P. wrote:

 Not sure what Real's Update Manager is but in Windows, Real Player has
 an option to turn off AutoUpdate. If this will help, it's:
 ToolsPreferencesAutomatic ServicesAutoUpdate, and then uncheck
 Automaticallydownload and Install important updates. Good luck.

 Richard P.


 An an iMac running OS-10.5.5, does anyone know how to shut off this
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Re: [CGUYS] Real Player download mngr.

2008-11-03 Thread Jeff Miles
Thanks for both the ideas from you and slogin2k1. I did find something  
in Real Player preferences that was labeled web browsing something. It  
said it was for premium content. I guess they consider premium as  
adds? Anyway, I unchecked both under this section and will see if this  
solves the problem.


Jeff M


On Nov 3, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Richard P. wrote:


What version are you running? I see something that sounds promising in
version 11.0.1 Build 949: Added a preference to the Downloader to
enable/disable Advanced Video Detection.. Just a wild guess...

Richard P.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:
  Thanks for the help, but update isn't it. I also have that  
function.
It just checks for a newer version of Real Player. This thing seems  
to be a
program within a program that saves all video to some folder  
whenever it
sees some kind of tag (I'm assuming here) on a web page. I use a  
site called
hsx.com, that's Hollywood Movie Stock Exchange. I know, the url  
looks like
it might be something else. Anyway, they have adds on their pages  
that will
pop up the Real Player downloader thing. This just started  
happening a month
or so ago, so I'm also assuming this is something relatively new.  
And I
can't find anyway to shut the thing off in the preferences of  
either Real

Player or the RP Downloader.

Jeff


On Nov 3, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Richard P. wrote:

Not sure what Real's Update Manager is but in Windows, Real Player  
has

an option to turn off AutoUpdate. If this will help, it's:
ToolsPreferencesAutomatic ServicesAutoUpdate, and then uncheck
Automaticallydownload and Install important updates. Good luck.

Richard P.


An an iMac running OS-10.5.5, does anyone know how to shut off  
this

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Re: [CGUYS] Help! Apple Mail Ghosts

2008-11-03 Thread Matthew Taylor
You might try moving all the messages out of the inbox into another  
local folder (you can always move them back if you want).  With your  
inbox zeroed out, rebuild the mailbox.  Use the web interface for your  
mail account to make certain the headers or entire messages are not  
still on the server - if they are, delete them there.


Matthew

On Nov 3, 2008, at 4:38 PM, Alvin Auerbach wrote:

ClamXav 1.1.1 looked at Apple's Mail and found 2 incoming messages  
that were suspicious, and asked to delete them. I gave the okay, and  
the messages were moved to the computer's trash. However, the 2  
messages are still listed in the Inbox. box. When I open them, they  
are blank - ghosts!


When I delete them, they remain in the Inbox.
When I drag them to another mailbox - Trash, Junk, anything, they  
remain in the Inbox.

I used [command-delete]. Didn't work.
I opened the Mail folder in my Home library, and dragged the  
INBOX.imapmbox folder to the desktop. Mail created another one, and  
the ghost messages remain, and the Messages folder with in the Inbox  
folder is empty.
I checked Apple and Google, and found a problem like that with AOL  
mail, and the solution was to update the OS. Both my OS and my Mail  
program are the latest version.
I found a reference to a similar problem, but their solution was to  
change the type of email account.

Rebuild the Mailbox does not apply to the Inbox.
I replaced the app from my Leopard disk.
The message count is often wrong, but I ignored it. Is this a clue?
I save most of my mail, and the size of my Mail folder is 1.45 GB.  
Is that a factor?


Does anyone have any ideas on how to exorcise these ghost messages?!

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Re: [CGUYS] Help! Apple Mail Ghosts

2008-11-03 Thread Alvin Auerbach

Mathew,

Thanks for the idea, but when I try to move the messages, they just  
bounce back to the Inbox. Also, Mail doesn't allow the Inbox to be  
rebuilt (at least on my machine!). It would be interesting if it's  
allowable on someone else's machine.


Alvin


On Nov 3, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:

You might try moving all the messages out of the inbox into another  
local folder (you can always move them back if you want).  With your  
inbox zeroed out, rebuild the mailbox.  Use the web interface for  
your mail account to make certain the headers or entire messages are  
not still on the server - if they are, delete them there.


Matthew

On Nov 3, 2008, at 4:38 PM, Alvin Auerbach wrote:

ClamXav 1.1.1 looked at Apple's Mail and found 2 incoming messages  
that were suspicious, and asked to delete them. I gave the okay,  
and the messages were moved to the computer's trash. However, the 2  
messages are still listed in the Inbox. box. When I open them, they  
are blank - ghosts!


When I delete them, they remain in the Inbox.
When I drag them to another mailbox - Trash, Junk, anything, they  
remain in the Inbox.

I used [command-delete]. Didn't work.
I opened the Mail folder in my Home library, and dragged the  
INBOX.imapmbox folder to the desktop. Mail created another one, and  
the ghost messages remain, and the Messages folder with in the  
Inbox folder is empty.
I checked Apple and Google, and found a problem like that with AOL  
mail, and the solution was to update the OS. Both my OS and my Mail  
program are the latest version.
I found a reference to a similar problem, but their solution was to  
change the type of email account.

Rebuild the Mailbox does not apply to the Inbox.
I replaced the app from my Leopard disk.
The message count is often wrong, but I ignored it. Is this a clue?
I save most of my mail, and the size of my Mail folder is 1.45 GB.  
Is that a factor?


Does anyone have any ideas on how to exorcise these ghost messages?!

Alvin


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Re: [CGUYS] Help! Apple Mail Ghosts

2008-11-03 Thread David K Watson

You are right that you can't rebuild the inbox.  However, expand
the inbox (click on the right-pointing triangle next to the inbox)
and you should be able to rebuild each of the single account
inboxes under the main inbox.  If you rebuilt all your inboxes
and all of your other mailboxes, you'll get back some space and
you won't have the mismatch between messages showing and
actual messages as often.

I also second the idea of checking your mail via the web.  I remember
once having a similar type of problem that was caused because
the message on the server immediately before the ghost message
was corrupted in a way that the mail server couldn't handle.  If
you can, log into your account on the web and try deleting the
ghost messages there as well as anything preceding them
that looks suspicious.

If that doesn't work, I'd try again to move the messages out and
rebuilding the mailbox.  This time try it t for just those messages in
the problem account, and keep holding the mouse down over the
new location when dragging them over until you can see that
Mail is ready to move them, because Mail can be very slow in
moving a lot of messages.  This is particularly true for mailboxes
that haven't been rebuilt in a while.




Mathew,

Thanks for the idea, but when I try to move the messages, they just
bounce back to the Inbox. Also, Mail doesn't allow the Inbox to be
rebuilt (at least on my machine!). It would be interesting if it's
allowable on someone else's machine.

Alvin


On Nov 3, 2008, at 8:17 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote:


You might try moving all the messages out of the inbox into another
local folder (you can always move them back if you want).  With your
inbox zeroed out, rebuild the mailbox.  Use the web interface for
your mail account to make certain the headers or entire messages are
not still on the server - if they are, delete them there.

Matthew

On Nov 3, 2008, at 4:38 PM, Alvin Auerbach wrote:


ClamXav 1.1.1 looked at Apple's Mail and found 2 incoming messages
that were suspicious, and asked to delete them. I gave the okay,
and the messages were moved to the computer's trash. However, the 2
messages are still listed in the Inbox. box. When I open them, they
are blank - ghosts!

When I delete them, they remain in the Inbox.
When I drag them to another mailbox - Trash, Junk, anything, they
remain in the Inbox.
I used [command-delete]. Didn't work.
I opened the Mail folder in my Home library, and dragged the
INBOX.imapmbox folder to the desktop. Mail created another one, and
the ghost messages remain, and the Messages folder with in the
Inbox folder is empty.
I checked Apple and Google, and found a problem like that with AOL
mail, and the solution was to update the OS. Both my OS and my Mail
program are the latest version.
I found a reference to a similar problem, but their solution was to
change the type of email account.
Rebuild the Mailbox does not apply to the Inbox.
I replaced the app from my Leopard disk.
The message count is often wrong, but I ignored it. Is this a clue?
I save most of my mail, and the size of my Mail folder is 1.45 GB.
Is that a factor?

Does anyone have any ideas on how to exorcise these ghost messages?!

Alvin





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Re: [CGUYS] Real Player download mngr.

2008-11-03 Thread David K Watson

Tom is right that RealPlayer/RealOne is an obnoxious piece of
crud and shouldn't ever have been installed.  If you insist on
keeping it, start up Realplayer and disable the Enable web
Downloading and Recording option.  In Windows, this would
be in the Preferences under the Tools menu, so for the Mac
I would look in Preferences under the RealPlayer menu.

Do this even if you do ultimately decide to junk RealPlayer,
because it may have put a browser plugin and/or a startup
item in other places in your system.

But really, try living without it and see if you miss it.  If you
must have an external player other than QuickTime, try
VLC.  Also, some of the media types that you think you
need RealPlayer for can be handled by the flip4mac
plugin/preference pane.  Look them both up at
versiontracker.com.


Thanks for the input, but anymore productive answer then just get rid
of it?

Jeff M


On Nov 2, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote:


An an iMac running OS-10.5.5, does anyone know how to shut off this
Real Player download manager thing?


Should never have allowed it to install in the first place.

Have you tried dragging RealPlayer or RealOne Player into the trash
and
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Re: [CGUYS] Help! Apple Mail Ghosts

2008-11-03 Thread Michael Lewis
Alvin Auerbach sez:

Mathew,

Thanks for the idea, but when I try to move the messages, they just  
bounce back to the Inbox. Also, Mail doesn't allow the Inbox to be  
rebuilt (at least on my machine!). It would be interesting if it's  
allowable on someone else's machine.

Alvin

Download OnyX for the Mac OS you have:

http://www.titanium.free.fr/index_us.html

According to the thread here http://www.tidbits.com/webx?14@@.3cb7a1fc/
1 it has a selection to force a rebuild of all mailboxes. Check that
thread as there may be some other tips you can try as well.

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Off Balance Productions
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