Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[mike]

Ugh, activation though in general with windows has had major problems.  Many
have been refused when the keys and installs are legit...usually takes a
phone call to fix but the hassle is still there.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:

> > I'm a little surprised by that, given the black eye that
> > MS got from Vista, I thought they would've had a couple of
> > dozen dry runs to make sure that _no_ one had issues in
> > trying the beta.  It wasn't a big deal, just a "We don't
> > need this crap"
>
> It was a bit disappointing, yes. It's important, however, to note that
> these
> were issues that relate *only* to the beta test. Retail Windows isn't
> distributed like this and doesn't get activation keys this way, so neither
> issue is relevant to the release version (or to Win7 itself).
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Re: [CGUYS] Good Buzz About the Palm Pre

[mike]

For me it's not about swappable, it's about just MORE memory.  Sure most
things i can fit in 8 gigs or 16 if i paid the big bucks.  But it seems the
only reason to not include a memory slot on these devices is more about form
then function.  I mean why not have the ability to add more storage?  These
devices are also good media players, 16 gigs for an iphone isn't much if you
are loading it with movies, apps, music...pictures.  That 16 gigs will be
gone quickly.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:01 PM, David K Watson
wrote:

> Here's the first somewhat negative review I've read about the Pre:
>
> Palm Pre: Why I'm on the Fence
> 
>
> His biggest gripe is that it doesn't have a memory expansion slot.
> It's his biggest gripe about the iPhone as well.
>
> This has always seemed like a pretty weak gripe to me.  A 16GB
> iPhone has as much memory as you can get with a MicroSD card, and
> the Pre has 8GB, which is still pretty significant.  Both phones will
> transfer
> files pretty quickly via the USB connector, or you can use the wireless
> or bluetooth connections for slower transfers if you don't want to carry
> a cable around.  What kind of use can you possibly put a phone to,
> even a smart one, that needs swappable memory so badly?
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[mike]

He never answered your call for some clarity either it seems.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:

> > Why do I feel that I am watching an episode of "Don Quixote" **
> >
> > There are some posters here who appear to be gluttons for punishment,
> > by all this incessant  "Dueling with Windmills".
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> He never gave up, as I recall. :)
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Chris Dunford]

> I'm a little surprised by that, given the black eye that
> MS got from Vista, I thought they would've had a couple of
> dozen dry runs to make sure that _no_ one had issues in
> trying the beta.  It wasn't a big deal, just a "We don't
> need this crap"

It was a bit disappointing, yes. It's important, however, to note that these
were issues that relate *only* to the beta test. Retail Windows isn't
distributed like this and doesn't get activation keys this way, so neither
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Michael Wosnick]

Maybe so. But you know what: I found the initial exchanges to be interesting, 
in a masochistic kind of way of course, but now the whole this has just gotten 
to be a big boring yawn of predictability.

Michael





From: Rev. Stewart Marshall 
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Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:14:23 PM
Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

But it is so much fun to tilt at windmills.  It sure gets a wind up!!!

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Re: [CGUYS] Good Buzz About the Palm Pre

[David K Watson]

Here's the first somewhat negative review I've read about the Pre:

Palm Pre: Why I'm on the Fence



His biggest gripe is that it doesn't have a memory expansion slot.
It's his biggest gripe about the iPhone as well.

This has always seemed like a pretty weak gripe to me.  A 16GB
iPhone has as much memory as you can get with a MicroSD card, and
the Pre has 8GB, which is still pretty significant.  Both phones will  
transfer

files pretty quickly via the USB connector, or you can use the wireless
or bluetooth connections for slower transfers if you don't want to carry
a cable around.  What kind of use can you possibly put a phone to,
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Chris Dunford]

> Why do I feel that I am watching an episode of "Don Quixote" **
> 
> There are some posters here who appear to be gluttons for punishment,
> by all this incessant  "Dueling with Windmills".

He never gave up, as I recall. :)


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Chris Dunford]

> As I understand it the full release is supposed to be
> sometime in late summer (according to various and sundry
> tech news sources), correct and they only plan to have one
> beta release?

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

But it is so much fun to tilt at windmills.  It sure gets a wind up!!!

Stewart


At 08:01 PM 1/11/2009, you wrote:

Why do I feel that I am watching an episode of "Don Quixote" **

There are some posters here who appear to be gluttons for punishment,
by all this incessant  "Dueling with Windmills".

**
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YMMV
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Rich Schinnell]

Why do I feel that I am watching an episode of "Don Quixote" **

There are some posters here who appear to be gluttons for punishment,
by all this incessant  "Dueling with Windmills".

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

I assume there will be more releases, but this is a Public Beta 
release.  Many betas are not released to the public but to special 
teams of beta testers.


As I said earlier I hope this is good omens for MS.  If this much 
clamor for a Beta release, drew this much attention I can only hope 
for better things later on.


I intend to burn my DVD and install it later on a test computer to 
see how it runs.


Stewart



At 07:27 PM 1/11/2009, you wrote:

As I understand it the full release is supposed to be
sometime in late summer (according to various and sundry
tech news sources), correct and they only plan to have one
beta release?

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

Chris Dunford
> Wayne, Tom appears to have confused two different events.
> There was a technical glitch of some kind, not related to
> demand, in delivering the activation keys. Subsequently
> MS decided that it was going to need more hardware to
> handle the volume of Win7 downloads, so it added more. But
> these were two separate events.

I'm a little surprised by that, given the black eye that
MS got from Vista, I thought they would've had a couple of
dozen dry runs to make sure that _no_ one had issues in
trying the beta.  It wasn't a big deal, just a "We don't
need this crap"

> To answer your first question, the activation key simply
> allows you to use the beta for more than 30 days.

As I understand it the full release is supposed to be
sometime in late summer (according to various and sundry
tech news sources), correct and they only plan to have one
beta release?

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Chris Dunford]

> I can no longer keep track of who the players are...  What,
> if anything, do the activation keys do for the Windows 7 beta?
> I am surprised that if they were needed that the MS servers
> couldn't meet the demand.  It's not like they've never had a
> big release before.

Wayne, Tom appears to have confused two different events. There was a
technical glitch of some kind, not related to demand, in delivering the
activation keys. Subsequently MS decided that it was going to need more
hardware to handle the volume of Win7 downloads, so it added more. But these
were two separate events.

To answer your first question, the activation key simply allows you to use
the beta for more than 30 days.


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Chris Dunford]

> Are you telling me that MS's process of handling activation is so
> inefficient that it compares poorly to streaming such a long video?

You are confusing different things here. There was no issue that had
anything to do with inefficiency in "handling activation". There was an
issue in distributing the activation keys, which is quite a different
matter; and furthermore it had nothing to do with efficiency or volume.


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Chris Dunford]

>> Well, you're going to need to do better than that. Can you 
>> point to any post where I tried to "put responsibility on 
>> somebody else" for this issue, vague or otherwise?
> 
> How about the one I quoted and you conveniently clipped out of your
> reply?

I do not find anything you quoted that I "conveniently clipped" in which I
tried to put responsibility on anyone else.


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Chris Dunford]

> I strongly object to your use of the word "attack." Sir, you are out of
> bounds. This is a technical discussion. Your frustration at not being
> able to get any traction does not justify such language. I suggest you
> take some time to think this through before posting.

I do not see anything "out of bounds" in labeling your posts as attacks on
MS. I see that as what they are.

> How much infrastructure does it take to hand out activation keys? 

You are confusing two completely different things. 

1. There was a technical glitch in handing out the beta keys during the
private beta period. We don't know the exact nature of the problem, but we
can certainly infer that it was not related to sufficiency of infrastructure
because the professional beta testers (myself included) did not report any
significant problems reported in downloading and installing Windows 7.

2. Then, prior to releasing the PUBLIC beta, MS decided, probably based on
the response to the private beta, that it did not have sufficient
infrastructure in place to support as many downloads as they were going to
get. So they took an additional 24 hours and put more stuff online. 

So when you say, "how much infrastructure does it take to hand out
activation keys" you are conflating these two different events. As a result,
the whole rest of your message regarding woefully inadequate infrastructure,
terrified to do business with, poorly managed, TRS-80 in a broom closet,
etc., makes no sense, so I am clipping it.


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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Wayne Dernoncourt]

Tom Piwowar
 Tom was trying to make this into a problem with
 Windows 7, which it clearly is not.

>>> You keep slicing and dicing every MS problem to
>>> find any way you can to put the responsibility on
>>> somebody else.

>> Oh? What "somebody else" did I try to put the problem
>> on?

> I don't know. You were very vague on that. That's one of my
> problems with your defense of MS. Your tack that nobody is
> responsible for anything.

> I prefer to work with vendors that take responsibility.

I can no longer keep track of who the players are...  What,
if anything, do the activation keys do for the Windows 7 beta?
I am surprised that if they were needed that the MS servers
couldn't meet the demand.  It's not like they've never had a
big release before.

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Re: [CGUYS] Availability of Cell Phone Batteries

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

look up in your phone book places that do batteries.

They do pop up.  Some of them specialize in larger (Car, utility)

Others do remanufacture batteries for cell phones.

Stewart

At 02:49 PM 1/11/2009, you wrote:

Batteries are usually made up of cells. It is not unreasonable to open
the container and replace the cells.


You are right. Do you know of any company that actually does this for
cell phone batteries?



Other batteries contain an aluminum
pack. It is not unreasonable to replace this pack with a newer one.
I did
this with my iPod and the new pack had a much longer run time than the
original.


Isn't the "aluminum pack" the battery itself? So when you open the
iPod and remove and replace the "aluminum pack" you are not
refurbishing the battery. You are refurbishing the iPod by replacing
the battery.


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Re: [CGUYS] Availability of Cell Phone Batteries

[Alvin Auerbach]

Batteries are usually made up of cells. It is not unreasonable to open
the container and replace the cells.


You are right. Do you know of any company that actually does this for  
cell phone batteries?




Other batteries contain an aluminum
pack. It is not unreasonable to replace this pack with a newer one.  
I did

this with my iPod and the new pack had a much longer run time than the
original.


Isn't the "aluminum pack" the battery itself? So when you open the  
iPod and remove and replace the "aluminum pack" you are not  
refurbishing the battery. You are refurbishing the iPod by replacing  
the battery.






On Jan 11, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote:


We did see advertisements on the web
for "refurbished" batteries. [Sure. They opened the battery and
renewed the chemicals. Uh huh.]


Batteries are usually made up of cells. It is not unreasonable to open
the container and replace the cells. Other batteries contain an  
aluminum
pack. It is not unreasonable to replace this pack with a newer one.  
I did

this with my iPod and the new pack had a much longer run time than the
original.




On Jan 11, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Alvin Auerbach wrote:
There' s been a great deal of discussion here about unlocking used  
cell phones, and I assume that this means using the phones for  
several years. Correct?


But what about obtaining batteries? My experience with a LG phone on  
Sprint, and a friends ?? phone on Verizon, is that at about three  
years of use we needed a new battery, and could not find a new  
battery on the web or from the carrier. We did see advertisements on  
the web for "refurbished" batteries. [Sure. They opened the battery  
and renewed the chemicals. Uh huh.]


Is there a list of equivalent, new cell phone batteries?

What do you do about keeping a phone after the battery doesn't hold  
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Re: [CGUYS] firewall ...hard or what?

[John Duncan Yoyo]

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Tom Piwowar]

>Did you attempt to download the Beta and see what happened???

No, I expect to get a copy in the mail on a DVD with codes that work. Nor 
did I get tickets for the Inauguration Parade (sold out online in under a 
minute I'm told). Are you going to use that to insist that none of the 
reported problems ever happened? That would be weaselling.

>A few years back Victoria's secret did their show on line and I 
>believe that the level of interest was so high it shut their servers down.

That was a streaming video that was probably 30 to 60 minutes in length.

Are you telling me that MS's process of handling activation is so 
inefficient that it compares poorly to streaming such a long video?

Do you suggest that the server handing the downloads was also being used 
for product activation?

I don't think you should expect any of us to know so little about 
computers to buy that. Even MS is not going to be so colossally stupid, 
are they?

>I think it was actually good news that the servers crashed.  This 
>means that a lot more people were interested in this download than 
>Vista ever saw!!!

Part of it was their announcement that the number of activations they 
would issue was limited. Doing that was as bright as shouting "fire" in a 
crowded theater. I would call that unnecessary and dumbass, but then we 
would be treated to long essays from our WFBs stating that they shout 
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Of course!!

Who wants to see a fat bald guy?

Stewart


At 01:26 PM 1/11/2009, you wrote:

Victoria's secret??  Of course it shut their servers down, those girls are
all hotter then Ballmer.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
> A few years back Victoria's secret did their show on line and I believe
> that the level of interest was so high it shut their servers down.
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Re: [CGUYS] National IT priorities poll?

[mike]

It wasn't a national poll btw, it was just some guys blog.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 2:36 AM, db  wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if  it was on CGUYS  that I saw reference to an national
> priorities IT poll a little while back?
>
> It was online and anyone could vote or add to it.
>
> If so, could someone point me to it?
> Thanks,
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[mike]

Victoria's secret??  Of course it shut their servers down, those girls are
all hotter then Ballmer.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall <
popoz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
> A few years back Victoria's secret did their show on line and I believe
> that the level of interest was so high it shut their servers down.
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Tom can I ask a very stupid question?

Did you attempt to download the Beta and see what happened???

I went to the site and downloaded a copy with a Key number.

No problems.  Even did it with Opera

I have had problems getting programs first day they put the program 
up, If the program exceeds expectations and seems to be a  hot 
program, it can easily strip the vendors server capacity.


A few years back Victoria's secret did their show on line and I 
believe that the level of interest was so high it shut their servers down.


I think it was actually good news that the servers crashed.  This 
means that a lot more people were interested in this download than 
Vista ever saw!!!


Hope it is a good omen for MS.

Stewart


At 12:37 PM 1/11/2009, you wrote:

>Well, you're going to need to do better than that. Can you point to any post
>where I tried to "put responsibility on somebody else" for this issue, vague
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Re: [CGUYS] Availability of Cell Phone Batteries

[Fred Holmes]

Last time I needed a cell phone battery, admittedly several years ago, I 
Googled it and got a hit on Radio Shack, who did supply the necessary battery 
type.  This was for an analog cell phone that was more than several years old 
at the time.  I only once bought a replacement battery from Verizon Wireless, 
and it was obscenely expensive.

Why did I keep the phone for so long?  It was a "lifeline" phone that I kept in 
the car for use if I broke down or other emergency.  The fee was $12.00 per 
month -- but the first call cost $0.30 per minute.  But I only made one or two 
calls per year on it.

Fred Holmes

At 11:20 AM 1/11/2009, Alvin Auerbach wrote:
>There' s been a great deal of discussion here about unlocking used  
>cell phones, and I assume that this means using the phones for several  
>years. Correct?
>
>But what about obtaining batteries? My experience with a LG phone on  
>Sprint, and a friends ?? phone on Verizon, is that at about three  
>years of use we needed a new battery, and could not find a new battery  
>on the web or from the carrier. We did see advertisements on the web  
>for "refurbished" batteries. [Sure. They opened the battery and  
>renewed the chemicals. Uh huh.]
>
>Is there a list of equivalent, new cell phone batteries?
>
>What do you do about keeping a phone after the battery doesn't hold a  
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Re: [CGUYS] National IT priorities poll?

[db]

thanks!

John Emmerling wrote:

http://ideas.obamacto.org/
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:36 AM, db  wrote:

  

Can anyone tell me if  it was on CGUYS  that I saw reference to an national
priorities IT poll a little while back?

It was online and anyone could vote or add to it.

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[mike]

He didn't clip anything because you didn't put one in.  And I quote:

*I don't know. You were very vague on that. That's one of my problems with
your defense of MS. Your tack that nobody is responsible for anything.

*The part that starts with 'I don't know.' is especially insightful into the
fact that you don't know.  Since that's what you said.  After admitting you
have no idea where he tried to move blame, you gave the technical detailed
argument that he believes 'nobody is responsible for anything'.  Well that
narrows it down.  Keep digging, Tom, I think you've dug down to your
eyeballs so far, no point in stopping now.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >Well, you're going to need to do better than that. Can you point to any
> post
> >where I tried to "put responsibility on somebody else" for this issue,
> vague
> >or otherwise?
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Re: [CGUYS] Availability of Cell Phone Batteries

[Jordan]

Alvin Auerbach wrote:
There' s been a great deal of discussion here about unlocking used 
cell phones, and I assume that this means using the phones for several 
years. Correct?


But what about obtaining batteries? My experience with a LG phone on 
Sprint, and a friends ?? phone on Verizon, is that at about three 
years of use we needed a new battery, and could not find a new battery 
on the web or from the carrier. We did see advertisements on the web 
for "refurbished" batteries. [Sure. They opened the battery and 
renewed the chemicals. Uh huh.]


Is there a list of equivalent, new cell phone batteries?

What do you do about keeping a phone after the battery doesn't hold a 
charge for very long?
I don't have any trouble finding a battery if I Google for my cell phone 
model and battery, and I bought a generic one that works well.
atbatt.com is at the top of the list and there seem to be other good 
hits. Lots of people roll the dice at ebay with good success.

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Tom Piwowar]

>Well, you're going to need to do better than that. Can you point to any post
>where I tried to "put responsibility on somebody else" for this issue, vague
>or otherwise?

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Tom Piwowar]

>Your attacks are moving beyond the strange into the plain weird. They took
>an additional 24 hours to add infrastructure, then posted the public beta.
>Omigod.

I strongly object to your use of the word "attack." Sir, you are out of 
bounds. This is a technical discussion. Your frustration at not being 
able to get any traction does not justify such language. I suggest you 
take some time to think this through before posting.

*

How much infrastructure does it take to hand out activation keys? Would 
you have us believe that MS is running its activation operation on a 
TRS-80 stuck in the back of a broom closet? Your defense of MS is just 
plain weird.

If I were to accept their excuse I think it implies a woefully inadequate 
infrastructure on their part. I find their excuse makes the situation 
even worse. I would be terrified at doing business with such a poorly 
managed company.

If they have a real IT operation I expect such a function would be hosted 
on a virtual server running on some big honking piece of iron. If the 
virtual server were getting overloaded, adding capacity should be a 
matter of changing some parameters on a computer screen. I have been told 
that this shouldn't even require a reboot. (Maybe it does on an MS 
system, they seem to always require reboots.)

If MS can't figure out how to do this they can buy infrastructure from 
Amazon or Google or others for very reasonable fees. A few hunderd 
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Re: [CGUYS] Availability of Cell Phone Batteries

[Rev. Stewart Marshall]

Ebay after market.

Stewart


At 10:20 AM 1/11/2009, you wrote:

There' s been a great deal of discussion here about unlocking used
cell phones, and I assume that this means using the phones for several
years. Correct?

But what about obtaining batteries? My experience with a LG phone on
Sprint, and a friends ?? phone on Verizon, is that at about three
years of use we needed a new battery, and could not find a new battery
on the web or from the carrier. We did see advertisements on the web
for "refurbished" batteries. [Sure. They opened the battery and
renewed the chemicals. Uh huh.]

Is there a list of equivalent, new cell phone batteries?

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[mike]

I think it was that Chris was wanting more to talk about the details of the
problem then just flog MS over and over as you did.  It is very clear whose
fault the zune problem is since it's a MS product, it's a given.  I talked
about the CPU because it's an interesting detail about the zune failure.
Same with the keys that MS couldn't get out to the beta testers, it's a
given that it's an MS problem but you just can't get that bone out of your
mouth and to you any details just get in the way of beating MS up.

Your response here makes it clear you can't even point to where Chris was
blaming someone else.  But you just won't let it go.   'You didn't actually
blame someone else, but I feel like you did so it's true' doesn't make a
good argument.

Mike




On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >>> Tom was trying to make this into a problem with Windows
> >>> 7, which it clearly is not.
> >>
> >> You keep slicing and dicing every MS problem to find any
> >> way you can to put the responsibility on somebody else.
> >
> >Oh? What "somebody else" did I try to put the problem on?
>
> I don't know. You were very vague on that. That's one of my problems with
> your defense of MS. Your tack that nobody is responsible for anything.
>
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Chris Dunford]

>> Oh? What "somebody else" did I try to put the problem on?
> 
> I don't know. You were very vague on that. That's one of my 
> problems with your defense of MS. Your tack that nobody is 
> responsible for anything.

Well, you're going to need to do better than that. Can you point to any post
where I tried to "put responsibility on somebody else" for this issue, vague
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Re: [CGUYS] Evernote.com? Keeping track of information?

[Ranbo]

If anyone has done so, or is interested in doing so, I'd be interested what
people think about Evernote.com and Jott.com for ways to organize thoughts,
stuff, etc.

Randall

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Ranbo  wrote:

> I should have said robot-soldiers.  Talk about "change," yet nary a mention
> o these possible developments in mainstream media.
>
> Randall
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Ranbo  wrote:
>
>> Article in the Post about a week ago about how in 10 years the U.S. will
>> be in position to deploy soldier-robots.  Seems if this capability is really
>> that close at hand they can develop "personal assistant" robots to help keep
>> up with that inbox.  I sure could use such help!
>>
>> Randall
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:
>>
>>> >Sounds like a personal problem, not a "computer" problem.  I
>>> procrastinate
>>> >on a lot of stuff myself.
>>>
>>> I did not say it was a computer problem. I have not seen any software or
>>> self help book for people whose incoming rate exceeds the closure rate by
>>> a wide margin. I guess I ned to use the delete key more or cleate a list
>>> called "In my next life."
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Re: [CGUYS] Availability of Cell Phone Batteries

[gerald]

one can procure "oem" batteries on ebay.  the general discussion on howard's 
list is that they are not really oem, but somewhat inferior.  the do beat a 
blank.

next time, buy brand name(nokia)  batteries are readily available.

At 11:20 AM 1/11/2009, you wrote:
>There' s been a great deal of discussion here about unlocking used  
>cell phones, and I assume that this means using the phones for several  
>years. Correct?
>
>But what about obtaining batteries? My experience with a LG phone on  
>Sprint, and a friends ?? phone on Verizon, is that at about three  
>years of use we needed a new battery, and could not find a new battery  
>on the web or from the carrier. We did see advertisements on the web  
>for "refurbished" batteries. [Sure. They opened the battery and  
>renewed the chemicals. Uh huh.]
>
>Is there a list of equivalent, new cell phone batteries?
>
>What do you do about keeping a phone after the battery doesn't hold a  
>charge for very long?
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Re: [CGUYS] Evernote.com? Keeping track of information?

[Ranbo]

>
> If I really needed very fast input I would carry a voice recorder, not a
> PDA. You can then run that through voice recognition if you must.
>
> YMMV


I was thinking about that.  Do any of the PDAs or smartphones have voice
recording with voice recognition, converting voice to written text?

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Re: [CGUYS] Evernote.com? Keeping track of information?

[Ranbo]

I should have said robot-soldiers.  Talk about "change," yet nary a mention
o these possible developments in mainstream media.

Randall

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Ranbo  wrote:

> Article in the Post about a week ago about how in 10 years the U.S. will be
> in position to deploy soldier-robots.  Seems if this capability is really
> that close at hand they can develop "personal assistant" robots to help keep
> up with that inbox.  I sure could use such help!
>
> Randall
>
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:
>
>> >Sounds like a personal problem, not a "computer" problem.  I
>> procrastinate
>> >on a lot of stuff myself.
>>
>> I did not say it was a computer problem. I have not seen any software or
>> self help book for people whose incoming rate exceeds the closure rate by
>> a wide margin. I guess I ned to use the delete key more or cleate a list
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Re: [CGUYS] Evernote.com? Keeping track of information?

[Ranbo]

Article in the Post about a week ago about how in 10 years the U.S. will be
in position to deploy soldier-robots.  Seems if this capability is really
that close at hand they can develop "personal assistant" robots to help keep
up with that inbox.  I sure could use such help!

Randall

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >Sounds like a personal problem, not a "computer" problem.  I procrastinate
> >on a lot of stuff myself.
>
> I did not say it was a computer problem. I have not seen any software or
> self help book for people whose incoming rate exceeds the closure rate by
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Tom Piwowar]

>>> Tom was trying to make this into a problem with Windows 
>>> 7, which it clearly is not.
>> 
>> You keep slicing and dicing every MS problem to find any 
>> way you can to put the responsibility on somebody else. 
>
>Oh? What "somebody else" did I try to put the problem on?

I don't know. You were very vague on that. That's one of my problems with 
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Chris Dunford]

>> But I don't think mine was really far off the mark 
>> anyway. In both cases the issue was a server problem, 
>> unrelated to any problems in the products themselves. 
>> Tom was trying to make this into a problem with Windows 
>> 7, which it clearly is not.
> 
> You keep slicing and dicing every MS problem to find any 
> way you can to put the responsibility on somebody else. 

Oh? What "somebody else" did I try to put the problem on?

> When a company chooses to have an activation key that very 
> much becomes an integral part of the product. The product 
> will have limited use without it. It becomes the vendor's
> responsibility to make sure activation works all the time.

It's pretty difficult to get past the simple fact that the issue had only to
do with delivery of beta test keys, and nothing to do with the released
product WHICH DOESN'T GET KEYS THIS WAY.

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[mike]

You really have no idea what you are talking about, the activation keys were
not needed for installation nor to run windows, the beta testers were able
to install and run windows without any problem at all.  This isn't passing
the buck but just simple facts.  There was a substantial grace period when
the beta was fully functional and when the keys needed to be entered and
there has been zero reports from vendors of unusable beta installs.

Speaking generally of activation however, on finished product that isn't
*free* as this windows beta was, activation in general is a bad idea.  But
with this case that you brought up, there was no issue whatsoever, you just
wanted one more issue to flog MS with, even if you had to make one up.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:

> >But I don't think mine was really far off the mark anyway. In both cases
> the
> >issue was a server problem, unrelated to any problems in the products
> >themselves. Tom was trying to make this into a problem with Windows 7,
> which
> >it clearly is not.
>
> You keep slicing and dicing every MS problem to find any way you can to
> put the responsibility on somebody else. When a company chooses to have
> an activation key that very much becomes an integral part of the product.
> The product will have limited use without it. It becomes the vendor's
> responsibility to make sure activation works all the time.
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Chris Dunford]

>> I am also confused about why this is funny. You think there 
>> is not heavy traffic, or what?
> 
> It is a lame excuse. Like "the computer ate my homework."
> 
> I guess it is funny to me because I once read a book of excuses that a
> school teacher had collected over the years. MS seems to be writing its
> own version of the book.
> 
> It is also sad in another sense. I'm not at pity yet, but it may get to
> that.

Your attacks are moving beyond the strange into the plain weird. They took
an additional 24 hours to add infrastructure, then posted the public beta.
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Re: [CGUYS] Availability of Cell Phone Batteries

[Tom Piwowar]

>We did see advertisements on the web  
>for "refurbished" batteries. [Sure. They opened the battery and  
>renewed the chemicals. Uh huh.]

Batteries are usually made up of cells. It is not unreasonable to open 
the container and replace the cells. Other batteries contain an aluminum 
pack. It is not unreasonable to replace this pack with a newer one. I did 
this with my iPod and the new pack had a much longer run time than the 
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Tom Piwowar]

>I am also confused about why this is funny. You think there is not heavy
>traffic, or what?

It is a lame excuse. Like "the computer ate my homework." 

I guess it is funny to me because I once read a book of excuses that a 
school teacher had collected over the years. MS seems to be writing its 
own version of the book.

It is also sad in another sense. I'm not at pity yet, but it may get to 
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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Tom Piwowar]

>But I don't think mine was really far off the mark anyway. In both cases the
>issue was a server problem, unrelated to any problems in the products
>themselves. Tom was trying to make this into a problem with Windows 7, which
>it clearly is not.

You keep slicing and dicing every MS problem to find any way you can to 
put the responsibility on somebody else. When a company chooses to have 
an activation key that very much becomes an integral part of the product. 
The product will have limited use without it. It becomes the vendor's 
responsibility to make sure activation works all the time.

I hate activation becaue I see such products suddenly and unexpectedly 
ceasing to function. This often puts customers into great crisis when 
they have been working to meet a deadline and suddenly get bupkis. They 
lose contracts, lose grants, lose legal cases, lose reputations, etc. 
This is not small stuff.

When a software company demonstrates that it is unable to activate 
products reliably it is a very serious failure. It marks the product as 
unreliable and the company as highly incompetent, an unreliable business 
partner. Windows 7 is now tainted.

If you recommend such a product to a business and the business later has 
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[CGUYS] Availability of Cell Phone Batteries

[Alvin Auerbach]

There' s been a great deal of discussion here about unlocking used  
cell phones, and I assume that this means using the phones for several  
years. Correct?


But what about obtaining batteries? My experience with a LG phone on  
Sprint, and a friends ?? phone on Verizon, is that at about three  
years of use we needed a new battery, and could not find a new battery  
on the web or from the carrier. We did see advertisements on the web  
for "refurbished" batteries. [Sure. They opened the battery and  
renewed the chemicals. Uh huh.]


Is there a list of equivalent, new cell phone batteries?

What do you do about keeping a phone after the battery doesn't hold a  
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Re: [CGUYS] Evernote.com? Keeping track of information?

[Tom Piwowar]

>Sounds like a personal problem, not a "computer" problem.  I procrastinate 
>on a lot of stuff myself.

I did not say it was a computer problem. I have not seen any software or 
self help book for people whose incoming rate exceeds the closure rate by 
a wide margin. I guess I ned to use the delete key more or cleate a list 
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Re: [CGUYS] Evernote.com? Keeping track of information?

[Tom Piwowar]

>The only draw back to the Palm was not being able to multi task, but 
>I have not found Windows Mobile to be that great in it either.

1) The Palm Pre does multi-task.

2) I do not see the big deal about multi-tasking. The launch time for 
Palm apps is very close to zero. A heck of a lot better than the sluggish 
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Re: [CGUYS] Evernote.com? Keeping track of information?

[Tom Piwowar]

>Can you input the items fast enough to make this practical; without thumb
>typing?  Think a tablet might be as good for this purpose?  Do any
>smartphones have enough of the Palm capabilities to just have one device for
>PDA and phone?

Depends on the meaning of "fast enough."

I typically type on my Palm using my index finger, not my thumbs. Typing 
that way is faster than writing and my error rate is near zero, which 
speeds input a lot too. Yes, thumb typing is even faster, but not that 
much faster.

I would not use this for writing a movel, but for quick notes the keypad 
and my index finger are plenty fast enough.

If I really needed very fast input I would carry a voice recorder, not a 
PDA. You can then run that through voice recognition if you must.

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Re: [CGUYS] Evernote.com? Keeping track of information?

[Janaki Kuruppu]

http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/index.html

have you seen the new Palm Pre??  pull-out QWERTY keyboard, the Palm  
OS, and all the stuff that iPhone has. i'm actually regretting jumping  
on the iPhone wagon.  i still use my Palm Tungsten E for apps that  
iPhone just doesn't do. sigh...


janaki

On Jan 10, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Ranbo wrote:

Can you input the items fast enough to make this practical; without  
thumb

typing?  Think a tablet might be as good for this purpose?  Do any
smartphones have enough of the Palm capabilities to just have one  
device for

PDA and phone?

Thanks

Randall

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Tom Piwowar  wrote:


On the subject of keeping track and organizing - anyone found good
solutions, e.g. devices, to keeping track of things you write  
down, say,
while on the phone, like notes, contact info, names, websites,  
anything

else?  Type it into computer while on the phone?  PDA?


I have been using a Palm for this purpose for years. I was  
surprised how
useful it was for pulling together all those random notes that I  
never

had a good place for.

The only thing that does not work for me is the ToDo list. Tasks go  
in,

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Re: [CGUYS] Windows 7 Public Beta: 1st Major Blooper

[Chris Dunford]

> This is very funny...
> 
> Microsoft postpones Windows 7 public beta "Microsoft Corp. postponed
> the rollout of the Windows 7 beta today, citing "very heavy traffic" on
> its Web site."
> 
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic
> &articleId=9125626&intsrc=hm_list
> 
> Next they will be telling us that they are suspending sales of Vista
> "due to excessive demand."

I am also confused about why this is funny. You think there is not heavy
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Re: [CGUYS] National IT priorities poll?

[John Emmerling]

http://ideas.obamacto.org/
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:36 AM, db  wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if  it was on CGUYS  that I saw reference to an national
> priorities IT poll a little while back?
>
> It was online and anyone could vote or add to it.
>
> If so, could someone point me to it?
> Thanks,
>


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[CGUYS] National IT priorities poll?

[db]

Can anyone tell me if  it was on CGUYS  that I saw reference to an 
national priorities IT poll a little while back?


It was online and anyone could vote or add to it.

If so, could someone point me to it?
Thanks,

db 



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