Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
I'll go into the rest of your argument later, but for now, what the hell does this mean? Maybe those willing to buy the product being produced? Excuse me, but frack your PLATIUDES AND SNARK remark. I won't throw the same. Jeff M On Jan 31, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: You need to drop the platitudes and snark and make a logical argument. If what labor produces does not belong to labor, to whom does it belong? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
You need to double check who you're replying to. And when replying to more then one, make it obvious. Jeff M On Jan 31, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: It has everything with who the primary producer of wealth is. You have to get past this notion that all the toys belong to you. You need to drop the platitudes and snark and make a logical argument. If what labor produces does not belong to labor, to whom does it belong? Think of it another way. If what you stated were true you would be obligated to give all your assets to the church. Why? Were you under the impression I was a diest? Disagree - the level of taxation must be balanced against the perceived needs of good governance, lest the a majority decide that good governance means taxing the wealth of the minority to deliver services to the majority. False distinction. By definition excessive taxation would not be good governance. Then we clearly do not have good governance today, and throwing more money at it won't create it. Case closed. Agreed - but government is not the only agent or means of civilization. I also mentioned the church. What do you want to add to the list? Voluntary associations. You must have heard of them? You know, voluntary fire companies, service organizations, the Boy Scouts, etc., etc.. All run better and leaner than government. How is a presumptive preference for letting labor keep the fruits of that labor where possible equal to being a looter? A looter takes but does not produce wealth - sort of like government now that I think about it The presumptive preference for not contributing one's fair share is equal to being a looter. Oh, so you get to decide what my fair share is? Who was it who said To each according to their needs ... My standard is there must be a compelling need before I use government to take from my neighbor. You can't be that stupid, so why make such absurd statements. Zimbabwe is the ultimate example of government existing only to perpetuate itself rather than serve the population. Zimbabwe has no functioning government. Oh, it functions very well at keeping itself in power to date (though it might finally be failing). Recognize the name Barney Frank? Chris Dodd? They, not Bush, blocked serious reform of Fannie and Freddie on more than one occasion. These organizations have been under attack for many years. The attacks were funded by those Wall Street banks that have brought us to ruin. They thought they were not getting enough of the profits. They wanted them all. Barney Frank is a very smart (and often very funny) man who we are blessed to have during this trying time. Man, talk about your ideological blinders. If you admire Frank, who was literally in bed with the folks he was supposed to provide oversight for, you are a lost cause. Citations please. Remember I did not vote for Bush - I am no fan of his, but I don't see his fingerprints on the housing mess. Once again, I'm not going to write a dissertation to respond to your inability to look up facts. Once again you hinge your arguments on unsupported statements. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Here I'm going to violate DRY: After reading the full Joe the Plumber quote, I am certain Obama only intended to say that the economy works best when there is prosperity at all levels. However, I think his choice of the phrase spread the wealth around was ill-considered, and he probably regrets it. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote: No, he didn't say that they (by which I assume you mean the Obama government) would spread it around. The full quote has already been posted, but what he said was that it's better for everyone when the wealth is spread around, as opposed to the wealth being concentrated in the hands of a small number of individuals. The purpose of our Keynesian progressive tax code is already to spread the wealth around, so what he was saying simply reflects what the progressive income tax already tries to do. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
By taking from the rich to give to the poor via the tax code. I'd like to hear your Clintonian parsing of the difference between this and wealth redistribution. Matthew Taylor wrote: He just said they should spread it around as I recall. On Jan 31, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: And the other part of this is the conservative media myth that Obama said that the government should redistribute wealth. In fact, he has never said any such thing... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Yahoo! News Story - AP Investigation: Banks sought foreign workers - Yahoo! News
Stewart Marshall (popoz...@earthlink.net) has sent you a news article. (Email address has not been verified.) Personal message: Another nail in the coffin of US Banks. Stewart AP Investigation: Banks sought foreign workers - Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090201/ap_on_bi_ge/bailout_foreign_workers Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
But you can't say the phrase can ever be taken out of context. It was in the context of taxing the wealthy more the the middle class less. And I see we unearthed a Marxist who approves. Marx's slogan: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. John Emmerling wrote: Having just read the entire Joe the Plumber quote for the first time, the impression I get is he was saying that the economy functions best when there is prosperity at all levels. However, the phrase spread the wealth around, when taken out of context, does sound like socialism (which we in the US disdain). I'm sure Mr. Obama regretted that choice of words. However, it didn't matter much in the end. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: And if he is using the tax code for wealth redistribution, I think that's a good thing. And it's about God damn time! The extremely wealthy wouldn't be wealthy if it weren't for the rest of us. But like I said earlier, history has a tendency to repeat itself. And I doubt that will ever really change. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
OK, I stand corrected. I'll rephrase that. Obama changed his position to the Bush approach four months BEFORE the election, when he wanted to distance himself from the quick withdrawal and move toward the center. Chris Dunford wrote: The change in position you cite, was not part of his campaign as he already had the nomination locked up last July Oh, I thought that there was still an election he was campaigning for. :) The fact of the matter is, you really can't say Now that he is president, he seems to see the wisdom in the Bush approach when the position I referenced was printed in the New York Times last July, more than four months before the election. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
what is the easiest way to get a quote from a pdf into a microsoft cut and paste format. i want about half a page from a 250 page document. i do this fairly often. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
By taking from the rich to give to the poor via the tax code. I'd like to hear your Clintonian parsing of the difference between this and wealth redistribution. And I'd like to hear where this is any different from what we've been doing since 1913, when progressive tax rates were introduced. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
OK, I stand corrected. I'll rephrase that. Obama changed his position to the Bush approach four months BEFORE the election, when he wanted to distance himself from the quick withdrawal and move toward the center. I don't see where there is this big change of position. The Act that you referenced specified a timetable that was consistent with the best recommendation available at the time (from the bipartisan Iraq Study Group) and took into account Bush's statement in January, 2007, that Iraq would be responsible for all internal security by November, 2007. It was somewhat shorter than the current timetable, but it's now two years later. Things change. Obama has been saying basically the same thing for years, which is that we should begin a phased and orderly withdrawal, support Iraqi efforts, maintain any necessary deployments in Iraq, but concentrate on Afghanistan. So what's the big change in position? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
I can't help but wonder why Obama can't be taken at his word. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote: OK, I stand corrected. I'll rephrase that. Obama changed his position to the Bush approach four months BEFORE the election, when he wanted to distance himself from the quick withdrawal and move toward the center. I don't see where there is this big change of position. The Act that you referenced specified a timetable that was consistent with the best recommendation available at the time (from the bipartisan Iraq Study Group) and took into account Bush's statement in January, 2007, that Iraq would be responsible for all internal security by November, 2007. It was somewhat shorter than the current timetable, but it's now two years later. Things change. Obama has been saying basically the same thing for years, which is that we should begin a phased and orderly withdrawal, support Iraqi efforts, maintain any necessary deployments in Iraq, but concentrate on Afghanistan. So what's the big change in position? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer dropped dead overnight
If not a fuse, might the switch need to be replaced? Barb * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
By taking from the rich to give to the poor via the tax code. I'd like to hear your Clintonian parsing of the difference between this and wealth redistribution. And I'd like to hear where this is any different from what we've been doing since 1913, when progressive tax rates were introduced. I should amplify on this. You speak as if there is something new or radical about what Obama said, but there is not. The ideas behind what he said go back centuries--and have been embedded in our tax code since 1913. Ain't nothing Marxist about it. It's just common sense: economies don't work very well if wealth is concentrated in the hands of a small number of very wealthy people. It isn't good for anyone, including, in the long run, the wealthy ones. Here is what Adam Smith said in 1776 in The Wealth of Nations (and, d'oh, I keep saying Keynes when I mean Smith--Keynes on the brain): The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion. Warren Buffet says the same thing, only more directly: [The wealthy] have this idea that it's their money and they deserve to keep every penny of it. What they don't factor in is all the public investment that lets us live the way we do. Take me as an example. I happen to have a talent for allocating capital. But my ability to use that talent is completely dependent on the society I was born into. If I'd been born into a tribe of hunters, this talent of mine would be pretty worthless. I can't run very fast. I'm not particularly strong. I'd probably end up as some wild animal's dinner. But I was lucky enough to be born into a time and place where society values my talent, and gave me a good education to develop that talent, and set up the laws and the financial system to let me do what I love doing-and make a lot of money doing it. The least I can do is help pay for all that. Very few economists take exception to this position, and it is the foundation of progressive taxation, which is exactly what our existing tax code implements. So, in fact, what Obama was talking about is simply what our current income tax already does. Nothing radical or Marxist. The conservative media fixated on the one statement that when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody (as if this were somehow new, or evil socialism, or different from what we've been doing since 1913), but it's just common sense and has been known for a very long time. Was the choice of wording unfortunate? Yes. If he had instead said, when the wealth is spread around, the economy works better, and it's good for everybody, it would have been unexceptionable. But this wasn't a prepared speech, it was an off-the-cuff chat with a voter. If you really listen to the whole thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRPbCSSXyp0), you'll find that there really isn't much there that can be easily disagreed with. One can certainly quibble about a few percentage points in the tax rates here and there, but the basic idea is sound, well understood, and not radical in any way. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yahoo! News Story - AP Investigation: Banks sought foreign workers - Yahoo! News
The actual number is likely a fraction of the 21,800 foreign workers the banks sought to hire because that's a request of 4000 a year. they may have had a special skill(speak farsi?). that ended in 2006. there were a shortage of skilled bank employees during the big boom loan times. grow up and think about it. this is typical garbage that belongs in the national enquirer. At 09:27 AM 2/1/2009, you wrote: Stewart Marshall (popoz...@earthlink.net) has sent you a news article. (Email address has not been verified.) Personal message: Another nail in the coffin of US Banks. Stewart AP Investigation: Banks sought foreign workers - Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090201/ap_on_bi_ge/bailout_foreign_workers Yahoo! News http://news.yahoo.com/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:COMPUTERGUYS- l...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of mike I can't help but wonder why Obama can't be taken at his word. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck Context is everything. This is seven-year-old academic discussion of the civil rights movement and the law. It was one of a series. This one was titled The Court and Civil Rights. Others included Slavery and the Constitution and The Right to Vote. His role in these discussions is as a law professor (which is what he was at the time, at the University of Chicago law school). What it is, is his assertion that the courts are not equipped to effect redistribution and, if this is what the civil rights movement wanted, then it went about it in the wrong way. What it emphatically is NOT is his prescription for what the government -should- be doing. He simply says that, if the civil rights movement wanted to pursue social and economic justice, the court system was not the best place to do that, because it can't. It is bound by the Constitution. He is saying that the civil rights movement was too litigation-centered and could not achieve all its goals that way. He says so quite explicitly: [T]he civil rights movements became so court-focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing, and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change. Where does he say that the Warren court -should- have acted to redistribute wealth? Nowhere, is where. Incidentally, the YouTube clip is creatively sliced and diced. It's not quite as creative as Bernie Goldberg's now-infamous butchery of the Brokaw interview, but it's not good. You should listen to the whole show: http://apps.wbez.org/blog/?p=639 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 31 Jan 2009 - Special issue (#2009-118)
Could you recommend an anti-virus/firewall/security package for my new computer that does not take up a huge amount of memory but is effective? I always recommend AVG. You can use it for free. http://free.avg.com/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
I'm sure that there is a way to defeat this, probably by using a full featured pdf editor, but it may be what the author(s) wanted. Yes, but that would be an illegal violation of the DMCA and we don't do illegal here. If the document is locked for copying you must bring that up with the document owner, not circumvent their settings. If I asked if there is a way to hack TurboTax to give me a large, undeserved tax refund, would you tell me how? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
I have no complaint with a progressive tax system. The difference is that in the past we collected less income tax from the poor and now we don't collect any income tax from the poor but give our income tax money to them. Now we have beaten to death the point that they pay other taxes, and you seem to approve of giving out income tax money to the working poor to compensate for the other taxes they pay. You approve, and I would prefer that those other taxes be lowered for the poor instead. In fact, part of the Republican proposal for a stimulus package would include a payroll tax holiday. From minority house leader Boehner “We've been offering suggestions. If you want a quick answer to the question what would I do, I'd have a payroll tax holiday for a year or two. That would put taxes in the hands of everybody who has a job whether they pay income taxes or not. And, of course, businesses pay the payroll tax too, so it would be both a business tax cut and individual tax cut immediately. The longstanding debate is HOW progressive should the tax rates be. Obama wants to increase progressivity. If you allow the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy to expire, but reinstate the middle class tax cuts, then you have done just that. And your progressive tax rates enabled by the 16th Amendment which established the Federal Income Tax that started at 1% and rose all the way up to 7% for the very rich. Chris Dunford wrote: By taking from the rich to give to the poor via the tax code. I'd like to hear your Clintonian parsing of the difference between this and wealth redistribution. And I'd like to hear where this is any different from what we've been doing since 1913, when progressive tax rates were introduced. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
what is the easiest way to get a quote from a pdf into a microsoft cut and paste format. Select the text with the Select Text tool. Then Copy and paste it. If that doesn't work, check Document Properties (Security) to see if it is locked. You may need to get a password to unlock the document. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer dropped dead overnight
Yes, but switches don't go bad often. Not nearly as often as power supplies. And many times there's a positive indication the switch is working e.g. a surge sound when pressed; an led on the mobo lighting up, etc. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Barbara Conn bc...@cpcug.org wrote: If not a fuse, might the switch need to be replaced? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
In Foxit Reader (free) I just select the cursor icon (next to the hand icon) and copy away. Failing that, you can always just print it out and ocr it. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:52 AM, gerald ger...@slawecki.com wrote: what is the easiest way to get a quote from a pdf into a microsoft cut and paste format. i want about half a page from a 250 page document. i do this fairly often. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
If you remember, in 2006, Iraq was at its worst. Highest US and Iraqi casualties, general concensus (at least on the left) that Iraq was in a civil war. Harry Reid stated that the war was lost. The left was vehement about giving up on this mess and leaving the Iraqis to just fight it out among themselves. They were horrified of the Bush proposal to escalate the war with a surge and the counter-insurgency policy of Gen. Betrayus. Obama tried to stop the surge with the Act cited. And at that time, he was with the left on wanting a date certain to withdraw, the idea being that it would put pressure on the Iraqi government to take charge of their own affairs. In any case, Obama has benefited greatly from the success of the surge and his withdrawal dates are no longer date certain, but objectives. Chris Dunford wrote: OK, I stand corrected. I'll rephrase that. Obama changed his position to the Bush approach four months BEFORE the election, when he wanted to distance himself from the quick withdrawal and move toward the center. I don't see where there is this big change of position. The Act that you referenced specified a timetable that was consistent with the best recommendation available at the time (from the bipartisan Iraq Study Group) and took into account Bush's statement in January, 2007, that Iraq would be responsible for all internal security by November, 2007. It was somewhat shorter than the current timetable, but it's now two years later. Things change. Obama has been saying basically the same thing for years, which is that we should begin a phased and orderly withdrawal, support Iraqi efforts, maintain any necessary deployments in Iraq, but concentrate on Afghanistan. So what's the big change in position? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Marx's slogan: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. The cons and neocons seem to believe that invoking the name of Marx somehow washes away the possibility of any sensible thought. Just stamp Marxist on anthing and everything they don't like and they think the matter is settled. It is highly unlikely that 100% of what Marx said or wrote is evil. Take the quote above. What's wrong with it? About the worst one can say about it is that it is unrealisticly hopeful about the soul of mankind. What would Jesus say? Was Jesus a Marxist? Why don't our cons start stamping ideals with the term Christian before they rail against them? (With apologies to all non-Christians. Being inclusive would have made the above argument harder to follow.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
it is a document of public record the FannieMae 10Q(quarterly report). i presume it is made with Adobe software as the feds have long been a big supporter and user of the pdf format and usually do not allow funny programs into house. i cannot imagine they would lock it. however, when i try to do cut and paste in foxpro, the cut and paste are sort of beiged out. i tried to open the document in photoshop and security wanted the master password so i guess the document is locked. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
You need to drop the platitudes and snark and make a logical argument. If what labor produces does not belong to labor, to whom does it belong? Here we are back at the lessons of kindergarden. Red faced, with nostrils flaring, nobody but nobody is going to touch your toys. Ok, let's break it down logically. What are the factors of production and who supplied them? Your body was supplied by God. If you reject God, then your parents and their parents, ad infinitum. The knowledge to use your body productively came from school, mostly supplied by government. The safe environment surrounding your body, mostly supplied by government. You paid for your shirt and house, but civilization made it possible for you to buy them. The social system in which you could exercise and benefit from your work, supplied by civilization. The money you so greedily want to hold on to, supplied by government. The force to keep somebody bigger than you from taking away all your money, supplied by government. You know, now that I think about it logiclly, you are holding on to way too much of the profits. Looks to me like your share will be well under 5 percent. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
If I can lawfully pay for it, and you can lawfully provide it, what should prevent us from making a deal? Morals? (Silly me.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
Is this true? Is there a shortage of forums for political discussions these days? I wouldn't know, as I rarely indulge. Perhaps we need a new forum - PGUYS (Political Guys). It is all in clearly labeled threads. If you want to filter it out this is the right place to ask. Tell us what email client your are using and you'll get plenty of help with that. I doubt it will last much longer and it will probably be years before we go nuts again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
Linkage? On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:10 PM, gerald ger...@slawecki.com wrote: it is a document of public record the FannieMae 10Q(quarterly report). i presume it is made with Adobe software as the feds have long been a big supporter and user of the pdf format and usually do not allow funny programs into house. i cannot imagine they would lock it. however, when i try to do cut and paste in foxpro, the cut and paste are sort of beiged out. i tried to open the document in photoshop and security wanted the master password so i guess the document is locked. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
God in heaven people. If nobody can bring this thread back around to something remotely related to computers, then can we just kill it already? I'm getting tired of hitting my Delete key. Add a filter on Resodding in the subject line. I doubt that many lawn care services will be sending you spam this time of year so you'll only miss out on this thread. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yahoo! News Story - AP Investigation: Banks sought foreign workers - Yahoo! News
Special skills? Read closely some of the positions they recruited for. for positions that included senior vice presidents, corporate lawyers, junior investment analysts and human resources specialists. Many of those jobs do not require special language skills, or can be filled with temp employees that have those skills. Not full time employment. This was not garbage. It highlighted that they were trying to lower their expenses at the detriment of their employees. Last sentences Jennifer Scott of Yreka, Calif., a retired technical systems manager at Bank of America in Concord, Calif., said in 2004 she oversaw foreign employees from a contractor firm that also sent overnight work to employees in India. It had nothing to do with a shortage, but they didn't want to pay the U.S. rate, she said, adding that the quality of the work was weak. It's all about numbers crunching. The simple fact that they requested that many exemptions but probably did not receive them is telling. Stewart At 10:19 AM 2/1/2009, you wrote: The actual number is likely a fraction of the 21,800 foreign workers the banks sought to hire because that's a request of 4000 a year. they may have had a special skill(speak farsi?). that ended in 2006. there were a shortage of skilled bank employees during the big boom loan times. grow up and think about it. this is typical garbage that belongs in the national enquirer. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software?
I've also had good experience with VLC; and it plays region free. If you're more tech savvy you can try mplayer or one of its spin-offs that has a GUI added. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ John Settle wrote: Steve at Verizon wrote: Question says it. Looking for good user friendly interface for watching DVDs on a laptop. No need for copying, editing,HD, support, just play. Not thrilled with WMP. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * VLC by all means. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
You taking odds? :) On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I doubt it will last much longer and it will probably be years before we go nuts again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
I just downloaded a doc from the Fannie Mae web sit called q12008.pdf and was able to cut and paste freely. The pdf download add-on for Firefox would not open it in Firefox but Preview on Mac OS X had no problem. gerald wrote: it is a document of public record the FannieMae 10Q(quarterly report). i presume it is made with Adobe software as the feds have long been a big supporter and user of the pdf format and usually do not allow funny programs into house. i cannot imagine they would lock it. however, when i try to do cut and paste in foxpro, the cut and paste are sort of beiged out. i tried to open the document in photoshop and security wanted the master password so i guess the document is locked. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yahoo! News Story - AP Investigation: Banks sought foreign workers - Yahoo! News
At 02:39 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote: Special skills? Read closely some of the positions they recruited for. for positions that included senior vice presidents, corporate lawyers, junior investment analysts and human resources specialists. Many of those jobs do not require special language skills, or can be filled with temp employees that have those skills. Not full time employment. can any and all those jobs, including every one of those mentioned at a company be filled with skills readily found in us citizens? This was not garbage. It highlighted that they were trying to lower their expenses at the detriment of their employees. Last sentences Jennifer Scott of Yreka, Calif., a retired technical systems manager at Bank of America in Concord, Calif., said in 2004 she oversaw foreign employees from a contractor firm that also sent overnight work to employees in India. almost every major company in the usa use to send whatever computer work that would go overseas overseas. why should bac pay 3x the price just to hire american? It had nothing to do with a shortage, but they didn't want to pay the U.S. rate, she said, adding that the quality of the work was weak. It's all about numbers crunching. The simple fact that they requested that many exemptions but probably did not receive them is telling. drive a ford recently? has way less than 50% american labor in it. do not know what % of a MAC is american. probably 75%, because 50% of a mac is marketing. Stewart At 10:19 AM 2/1/2009, you wrote: The actual number is likely a fraction of the 21,800 foreign workers the banks sought to hire because that's a request of 4000 a year. they may have had a special skill(speak farsi?). that ended in 2006. there were a shortage of skilled bank employees during the big boom loan times. grow up and think about it. this is typical garbage that belongs in the national enquirer. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
At 01:23 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote: I have no complaint with a progressive tax system. The difference is that in the past we collected less income tax from the poor and now we don't collect any income tax from the poor but give our income tax money to them. until recently, i owned a small business in baltimore. i employed a lot of unskilled labor. there was a program to keep people off of welfare. part of their salary was made up with reverse tax money. worked well. they cancelled the program, and the employees went onto full time welfare. these people were not worth $10 an hr, and i could not afford to pay them $10 an hour. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Very silly you indeed. My answer was to Stewart regarding European distaste for impatience. How is wanting to be able to receive what you can lawfully pay for on a mutually agreed schedule immoral? On Feb 1, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: If I can lawfully pay for it, and you can lawfully provide it, what should prevent us from making a deal? Morals? (Silly me.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
On Feb 1, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: You need to drop the platitudes and snark and make a logical argument. If what labor produces does not belong to labor, to whom does it belong? Here we are back at the lessons of kindergarden. Red faced, with nostrils flaring, nobody but nobody is going to touch your toys. I have no problem with freely lending my toys or sharing them. This discussion is not about such, it is about government taking my toys and giving them to someone else who is not ethically entitled to them. Ok, let's break it down logically. What are the factors of production and who supplied them? Your body was supplied by God. If you reject God, then your parents and their parents, ad infinitum. The knowledge to use your body productively came from school, mostly supplied by government. Nonsense - mostly from life experience and parental guidance. A narrow range of academic knowledge came from school, and my parents, and now me, paid and have no problem paying property taxes to support same. The safe environment surrounding your body, mostly supplied by government. No, mostly supplied by nature, with government acting to prevent predation. You paid for your shirt and house, but civilization made it possible for you to buy them. But government is one part of civilization, not the whole part, nor even the most essential part. The social system in which you could exercise and benefit from your work, supplied by civilization. See Above, and I agree that prevention of predation is a key role of government. The money you so greedily want to hold on to, supplied by government. No, the convenient medium of exchange not precisely the same thing. The force to keep somebody bigger than you from taking away all your money, supplied by government. See Above. You know, now that I think about it logiclly, you are holding on to way too much of the profits. Profits? If only we were only taxed on profits - all I earn after all I spend to maintain myself and family, taxes would be low indeed. Looks to me like your share will be well under 5 percent. Please, do the math to demonstrate this. Provide copies of your tax returns that show this is what you pay. Or, you could actually attempt a logically constructed argument. Matthew * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
It implies that necessity is the highest principle, that is what is wrong with it. If all a human deserved is what they need, what is the motivation for the human animal to produce more than they need if they will be prevented by government from keeping it? Christian theology as I recall says we should freely care for the poor, not that the kings soldiers should carry off the livestock to feed the poor. You seem to dismiss the concept of charity or confuse it with the force of government. Matthew On Feb 1, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Marx's slogan: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. The cons and neocons seem to believe that invoking the name of Marx somehow washes away the possibility of any sensible thought. Just stamp Marxist on anthing and everything they don't like and they think the matter is settled. It is highly unlikely that 100% of what Marx said or wrote is evil. Take the quote above. What's wrong with it? About the worst one can say about it is that it is unrealisticly hopeful about the soul of mankind. What would Jesus say? Was Jesus a Marxist? Why don't our cons start stamping ideals with the term Christian before they rail against them? (With apologies to all non-Christians. Being inclusive would have made the above argument harder to follow.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
l...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Verizon I have no complaint with a progressive tax system. The difference is that in the past we collected less income tax from the poor and now we don't collect any income tax from the poor but give our income tax money to them. Well, I'm not sure what this has to do with Obama. Your complaint has to do with our basic fiscal system, not with Obama. He didn't create or control the system you don't like, nor is he radically changing it. Complaints that he wants to redistribute the wealth ignore that fact that we already do that, and he had nothing to do with it. You might as well accuse Bush of wanting to redistribute wealth, since this is the system that was in place during his two terms. Reagan's, too. Y'all are acting like he has some radical, wild-eyed plan to soak the rich and give it all to the poor. He doesn't. It's just tweaking. (And by the way, under Obama's plan, even the top 1% will have lower average rates than they did in the 90s--so much for soaking the rich.) It's just not all that different from what we've been doing for lo these many years, and yet somehow Obama is a Marxist. It makes no sense. Now we have beaten to death the point that they pay other taxes, you seem to approve of giving out income tax money to the working poor to compensate for the other taxes they pay. We've beaten it to death, yet you still insist on sticking the word income into these complaints? They point is, they pay federal taxes, and they're going to get some of it back. No one is getting back more than they paid, which is what the conservative media are implying. I would prefer that those other taxes be lowered for the poor instead Me too. Unfortunately, it takes time for tax rate reductions to have any effect. Rebates are essentially retroactive tax rate decreases, surely? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Not really - it was originally to make the wealthy pay a higher share of government costs, not to simply enact transfers of wealth. Big difference. Matthew On Feb 1, 2009, at 7:18 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: The purpose of our Keynesian progressive tax code is already to spread the wealth around, so what he was saying simply reflects what the progressive income tax already tries to do. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
Everything is political, one way or another. This meandering thread is interesting--fun--in that there's a lot of information and personalities being revealed. We'll get back to computers eventually, after we deal with paying for repairing our infrastructure, dealing with jobs, un-outsourcing, DMCA, health care, etc. Tony, can't you set your GMail to filter out these messages so you won't injure your Delete finger? BTW, thanks, Chad, for the pensión in Prague! Betty Yes, this is true. Welcome to the new world. Jeff M On Jan 31, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Tony B wrote: Is this true? Is there a shortage of forums for political discussions these days? I wouldn't know, as I rarely indulge. Perhaps we need a new forum - PGUYS (Political Guys). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Was this directed at me? I whole hearted agree that it appears Obama wants wealth redistribution. Matthew On Feb 1, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: By taking from the rich to give to the poor via the tax code. I'd like to hear your Clintonian parsing of the difference between this and wealth redistribution. Matthew Taylor wrote: He just said they should spread it around as I recall. On Jan 31, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: And the other part of this is the conservative media myth that Obama said that the government should redistribute wealth. In fact, he has never said any such thing... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
As I recall, I was responding to Tom. Tom keeps going on about kindergarden toy sharing and refusing to actually construct a logical argument from first principles. Tom appears to be of the opinion that what labor produces (or earns) is not theirs by right - they are only entitled to what government is willing to release back to them. Matthew On Feb 1, 2009, at 5:48 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I'll go into the rest of your argument later, but for now, what the hell does this mean? Maybe those willing to buy the product being produced? Excuse me, but frack your PLATIUDES AND SNARK remark. I won't throw the same. Jeff M On Jan 31, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Matthew Taylor wrote: You need to drop the platitudes and snark and make a logical argument. If what labor produces does not belong to labor, to whom does it belong? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
You're right, that doc is protected. If you can't talk them into sending you one that isn't, you may be forced to ocr. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:36 PM, gerald ger...@slawecki.com wrote: link http://www.fanniemae.com/ir/pdf/earnings/2008/q32008.pdf * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software?
If it's region-free, how is it legal? On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:36 PM, johnleehol...@gmail.com johnleehol...@gmail.com wrote: I've also had good experience with VLC; and it plays region free. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software?
Why would it be illegal? On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:04 PM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.comwrote: If it's region-free, how is it legal? On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:36 PM, johnleehol...@gmail.com johnleehol...@gmail.com wrote: I've also had good experience with VLC; and it plays region free. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
I just downloaded a doc from the Fannie Mae web sit called q12008.pdf and was able to cut and paste freely. The pdf download add-on for Firefox would not open it in Firefox but Preview on Mac OS X had no problem. Good point. Sometimes the browser plugins don't let you do everything you should be able to do. It is best to download the file and open it in Preview or Acrobat Reader, or even better with the full version of Acrobat. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
At 02:10 PM 2/1/2009, gerald wrote: it is a document of public record the FannieMae 10Q(quarterly report). i presume it is made with Adobe software as the feds have long been a big supporter and user of the pdf format and usually do not allow funny programs into house. i cannot imagine they would lock it. however, when i try to do cut and paste in foxpro, the cut and paste are sort of beiged out. i tried to open the document in photoshop and security wanted the master password so i guess the document is locked. Some/many .pdf files are scanned, and therefore total bitmaps. There is no text information in them at all. If you want to extract text information from the .pdf file, the only recourse is to OCR it. Some OCR programs will process a .pdf file directly. Or, as someone else has said, you could print the document and then scan/OCR the paper copy. OmniPage Pro is stated to have the capability to OCR .pdf files directly, but I've never tried to do that. I have used OminPage Pro OCR in conjunction with scanning a paper document, although not recently. Kleptomania 2.6 from http://www.structurise.com/ is a program (systray utility) for OCRing small amounts of text. But it has to learn the fonts that it will be OCRing. So if the .pdf document uses a font that isn't installed on your computer, you will not get good results. I use Kleptomania occasionally to capture (copy) error messages when the Windows copy command doesn't work. Structurise has been in business for a long time. I have Kleptomania 1.0 from 1998. All of the above only for making legal copies, of course. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
It implies that necessity is the highest principle, that is what is wrong with it. You need to explain your objection to necessity. Seems to me that the rational person will first do the necessary and then do the unnecessary as time and resources permit. Is this some con/neocon argument for standing by why others die? The other person's necessary is your unnecessary. So: Your problem is not my problem. If all a human deserved is what they need, what is the motivation for the human animal to produce more than they need if they will be prevented by government from keeping it? Why do you define need so narrowly in this context, but when it comes to your need avarice seems to have no bound? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software?
Why would it be illegal? Because the DVD is locked to work only in a certain region. To ignore the lock violates the DMCA. Hence is criminal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
MS Office Document Imaging will OCR also... db Fred Holmes wrote: At 02:10 PM 2/1/2009, gerald wrote: it is a document of public record the FannieMae 10Q(quarterly report). i presume it is made with Adobe software as the feds have long been a big supporter and user of the pdf format and usually do not allow funny programs into house. i cannot imagine they would lock it. however, when i try to do cut and paste in foxpro, the cut and paste are sort of beiged out. i tried to open the document in photoshop and security wanted the master password so i guess the document is locked. Some/many .pdf files are scanned, and therefore total bitmaps. There is no text information in them at all. If you want to extract text information from the .pdf file, the only recourse is to OCR it. Some OCR programs will process a .pdf file directly. Or, as someone else has said, you could print the document and then scan/OCR the paper copy. OmniPage Pro is stated to have the capability to OCR .pdf files directly, but I've never tried to do that. I have used OminPage Pro OCR in conjunction with scanning a paper document, although not recently. Kleptomania 2.6 from http://www.structurise.com/ is a program (systray utility) for OCRing small amounts of text. But it has to learn the fonts that it will be OCRing. So if the .pdf document uses a font that isn't installed on your computer, you will not get good results. I use Kleptomania occasionally to capture (copy) error messages when the Windows copy command doesn't work. Structurise has been in business for a long time. I have Kleptomania 1.0 from 1998. All of the above only for making legal copies, of course. Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
And everybody still seems to be ignoring the fact that tax cuts are about the least effective way to help the economy. Chris Dunford wrote: l...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Verizon I have no complaint with a progressive tax system. The difference is that in the past we collected less income tax from the poor and now we don't collect any income tax from the poor but give our income tax money to them. Well, I'm not sure what this has to do with Obama. Your complaint has to do with our basic fiscal system, not with Obama. He didn't create or control the system you don't like, nor is he radically changing it. Complaints that he wants to redistribute the wealth ignore that fact that we already do that, and he had nothing to do with it. You might as well accuse Bush of wanting to redistribute wealth, since this is the system that was in place during his two terms. Reagan's, too. Y'all are acting like he has some radical, wild-eyed plan to soak the rich and give it all to the poor. He doesn't. It's just tweaking. (And by the way, under Obama's plan, even the top 1% will have lower average rates than they did in the 90s--so much for soaking the rich.) It's just not all that different from what we've been doing for lo these many years, and yet somehow Obama is a Marxist. It makes no sense. Now we have beaten to death the point that they pay other taxes, you seem to approve of giving out income tax money to the working poor to compensate for the other taxes they pay. We've beaten it to death, yet you still insist on sticking the word income into these complaints? They point is, they pay federal taxes, and they're going to get some of it back. No one is getting back more than they paid, which is what the conservative media are implying. I would prefer that those other taxes be lowered for the poor instead Me too. Unfortunately, it takes time for tax rate reductions to have any effect. Rebates are essentially retroactive tax rate decreases, surely? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Not really - it was originally to make the wealthy pay a higher share of government costs, not to simply enact transfers of wealth. Big difference. You ignore history. The motivation can be seen most clearly by examining inheritance taxes. The goal is to extinguish dynastic succession, which is fundamentally undemocratic. Of course the cons/neocons think royalty is just fine. They even coined the misleading term death tax to obscure their true motives. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
Some/many .pdf files are scanned, and therefore total bitmaps. There is no text information in them at all. If you want to extract text information from the .pdf file, the only recourse is to OCR it. Some OCR programs will process a .pdf file directly. Adobe Acrobat includes built-in OCR capability. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] political discussion
it's an Obamarama!! -Original Message- From: Tony B [mailto:ton...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:55 PM Subject: political discussion Is this true? Is there a shortage of forums for political discussions these days? I wouldn't know, as I rarely indulge. Perhaps we need a new forum - PGUYS (Political Guys). On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: No, I'm fond of political discussion, when not out of control. This is one of the few groups I've found that allows it. At least to a certain extent. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
Abby Fine reader does this also. Stewart At 03:54 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote: Some/many .pdf files are scanned, and therefore total bitmaps. There is no text information in them at all. If you want to extract text information from the .pdf file, the only recourse is to OCR it. Some OCR programs will process a .pdf file directly. Or, as someone else has said, you could print the document and then scan/OCR the paper copy. OmniPage Pro is stated to have the capability to OCR .pdf files directly, but I've never tried to do that. I have used OminPage Pro OCR in conjunction with scanning a paper document, although not recently. Kleptomania 2.6 from http://www.structurise.com/ is a program (systray utility) for OCRing small amounts of text. But it has to learn the fonts that it will be OCRing. So if the .pdf document uses a font that isn't installed on your computer, you will not get good results. I use Kleptomania occasionally to capture (copy) error messages when the Windows copy command doesn't work. Structurise has been in business for a long time. I have Kleptomania 1.0 from 1998. All of the above only for making legal copies, of course. Fred Holmes Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] most likely an eays itunes question...
I put the soundtrack for collateral into itunes, all tags appear correct, artist is different for each track but album name is the same, COLLATERAL. Yet iTunes breaks it up so that each artist has it's own album, even when I tell it to sort by album. Any ideas on what I am doing wrong...? I've got somewhat the same problem with another album, ONE song on the album is kept on a seperate album even though all the tags appear correct. Any suggestions helpful. Mike * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Wow, someone else who's actually read Adam Smith! Jeff M On Feb 1, 2009, at 7:58 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: By taking from the rich to give to the poor via the tax code. I'd like to hear your Clintonian parsing of the difference between this and wealth redistribution. And I'd like to hear where this is any different from what we've been doing since 1913, when progressive tax rates were introduced. I should amplify on this. You speak as if there is something new or radical about what Obama said, but there is not. The ideas behind what he said go back centuries--and have been embedded in our tax code since 1913. Ain't nothing Marxist about it. It's just common sense: economies don't work very well if wealth is concentrated in the hands of a small number of very wealthy people. It isn't good for anyone, including, in the long run, the wealthy ones. Here is what Adam Smith said in 1776 in The Wealth of Nations (and, d'oh, I keep saying Keynes when I mean Smith--Keynes on the brain): The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion. Warren Buffet says the same thing, only more directly: [The wealthy] have this idea that it's their money and they deserve to keep every penny of it. What they don't factor in is all the public investment that lets us live the way we do. Take me as an example. I happen to have a talent for allocating capital. But my ability to use that talent is completely dependent on the society I was born into. If I'd been born into a tribe of hunters, this talent of mine would be pretty worthless. I can't run very fast. I'm not particularly strong. I'd probably end up as some wild animal's dinner. But I was lucky enough to be born into a time and place where society values my talent, and gave me a good education to develop that talent, and set up the laws and the financial system to let me do what I love doing-and make a lot of money doing it. The least I can do is help pay for all that. Very few economists take exception to this position, and it is the foundation of progressive taxation, which is exactly what our existing tax code implements. So, in fact, what Obama was talking about is simply what our current income tax already does. Nothing radical or Marxist. The conservative media fixated on the one statement that when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody (as if this were somehow new, or evil socialism, or different from what we've been doing since 1913), but it's just common sense and has been known for a very long time. Was the choice of wording unfortunate? Yes. If he had instead said, when the wealth is spread around, the economy works better, and it's good for everybody, it would have been unexceptionable. But this wasn't a prepared speech, it was an off-the-cuff chat with a voter. If you really listen to the whole thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRPbCSSXyp0), you'll find that there really isn't much there that can be easily disagreed with. One can certainly quibble about a few percentage points in the tax rates here and there, but the basic idea is sound, well understood, and not radical in any way. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
No problem copying and pasting with Preview. Interesting! gerald wrote: link http://www.fanniemae.com/ir/pdf/earnings/2008/q32008.pdf * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
document is protected all locked up. as suggested by above, wife opened it in mac preview and can copy it. so much for protection thanks. for info. At 04:44 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote: I just downloaded a doc from the Fannie Mae web sit called q12008.pdf and was able to cut and paste freely. The pdf download add-on for Firefox would not open it in Firefox but Preview on Mac OS X had no problem. Good point. Sometimes the browser plugins don't let you do everything you should be able to do. It is best to download the file and open it in Preview or Acrobat Reader, or even better with the full version of Acrobat. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Tom appears to be of the opinion that what labor produces (or earns) is not theirs by right - they are only entitled to what government is willing to release back to them. The first part of that is correct. It is not yours by right. That notion should have been extinguished in kindergarden. They should have taught you to share toys. Without such socialization, avarice knows no bounds. The second part is just petulant nonesense. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software?
BTW, before you get your knickers twisted, you can buy region free dvd players just about everywhere...might want to get that knee jerk DMCA thing looked at before you hurt yourself. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Why would it be illegal? Because the DVD is locked to work only in a certain region. To ignore the lock violates the DMCA. Hence is criminal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software?
Does the DMCA cover dvds I got from a friend when he was in Japan? On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Why would it be illegal? Because the DVD is locked to work only in a certain region. To ignore the lock violates the DMCA. Hence is criminal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software?
I bought in the USA an inexpensive DVD Player and surround sound for my House. When I got here I realized that it only played ZOne 1. Here in Brazil we are Zone 4. What a shock! I wrote to the company and asked them to tell me the code to make it Zone Free. They answered me saying that they could not do this becaise of the law. I went to Google and there are several sites that propose to teach you how to do it thorugh the remote control. But my model was not there. So I decided to paly around with it... looking at the instructions for other players... One day...the whole thing became black... only sound, no image. Then by chance I pressed and held one key and...sure enouch it is now multizone... It was not a great investmnet but it is playing OK my Brazilian dvds... Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Feb 1, 2009 7:39 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software? Why would it be illegal? On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:04 PM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.comwrote: If it's region-free, how is it legal? On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:36 PM, johnleehol...@gmail.com johnleehol...@gmail.com wrote: I've also had good experience with VLC; and it plays region free. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software?
Oh my!!! But if you chewck in Yahoo there are good electronic companies that sell Multizone DVDs. Not hackers. Good companies... I bought one in the USA, panasonic and he came already multizone from the reputable dealer. I don´t understand the reazon why this division of the world in six zones... So that a region could not import a dvd from another?... Look at good and you will see how many places sell the multizone. I have a feeling, wish... that they all woll me multizone in the future... Marcio -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com Sent: Feb 1, 2009 8:12 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software? Why would it be illegal? Because the DVD is locked to work only in a certain region. To ignore the lock violates the DMCA. Hence is criminal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
It's just not all that different from what we've been doing for lo these many years, and yet somehow Obama is a Marxist. It makes no sense. Of course it makes no sense. Con/neocon ideology does not constitute a consistent, rational system of thought. It is a mass of epithets. They jump from one to another and whip themselves up into an emotional froth. It is like watching a group of sports team supporters trashing the members of another team. They call the other team all sorts of names. But the epithets have little connection with reality. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
And everybody still seems to be ignoring the fact that tax cuts are about the least effective way to help the economy. One of my first posts likened tax cuts to spreading money around randomly, with no purpose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software?
BTW, before you get your knickers twisted, you can buy region free dvd players just about everywhere...might want to get that knee jerk DMCA thing looked at before you hurt yourself. Should I make a you list of all the illegal things that can be bought just about everywhere? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
If you remember, in 2006, Iraq was at its worst. Highest US and Iraqi casualties, general concensus (at least on the left) that Iraq was in a civil war. Harry Reid stated that the war was lost. The left was vehement about giving up on this mess and leaving the Iraqis to just fight it out among themselves. They were horrified of the Bush proposal to escalate the war with a surge and the counter-insurgency policy of Gen. Betrayus. Obama tried to stop the surge with the Act cited. And at that time, he was with the left on wanting a date certain to withdraw, the idea being that it would put pressure on the Iraqi government to take charge of their own affairs. Iraq did not start to calm down until we started seriously discussing a definite withdrawal date. Doing that changed the discussion. It made it clear to the Iraquis that we were not intending to occupy them forever. This changed many Iraqui's attitudes. Bush also got rid of the nutty ideologue Rumsfeld and replaced him with the rational Gates. Having someone in charge who is rational is a big plus. The radicals also overplayed their hand. The Iraquis grew madder at them than they were at the US. They figured out that working with the US they could get rid of the radicals and then the US woud leave. It took a while for rationality to take hold. If only we could be so successful with the cons/neocons. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
The only think I stamped the label Marxist on is the most famous quote of Marx. It became the banner for Communism. I have no problem with the analysis of Marxist thought and don't mind it being taught in academia. In fact, the only Marxists left reside in the halls of academe. And I most certainly WOULD stamp the label Fundamentalist Christian when railing against those who would attempt to ban the teaching of evolution. Tom Piwowar wrote: Marx's slogan: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. The cons and neocons seem to believe that invoking the name of Marx somehow washes away the possibility of any sensible thought. Just stamp Marxist on anthing and everything they don't like and they think the matter is settled. It is highly unlikely that 100% of what Marx said or wrote is evil. Take the quote above. What's wrong with it? About the worst one can say about it is that it is unrealisticly hopeful about the soul of mankind. What would Jesus say? Was Jesus a Marxist? Why don't our cons start stamping ideals with the term Christian before they rail against them? (With apologies to all non-Christians. Being inclusive would have made the above argument harder to follow.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
And everybody still seems to be ignoring the fact that tax cuts are about the least effective way to help the economy. I'm not disputing that (and Obama's tax plans were not about remedying this crisis, by the way--they were in place before it really started). I'm just pointing out that it's silly to think that he's some kind of wild-eyed, foaming-at-the-mouth Marxist. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software?
Does the DMCA cover dvds I got from a friend when he was in Japan? It doesn't if you take them back to Japan. You know what they say: America, love it or leave it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
do a simple screenshot, save as bmp and do ocr ...many free ocr apps out there allovertheplace ... -Original Message- From: gerald [mailto:ger...@slawecki.com] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 5:27 PM Subject: Re: cut and paste a pdf document is protected all locked up. as suggested by above, wife opened it in mac preview and can copy it. so much for protection thanks. for info. At 04:44 PM 2/1/2009, you wrote: I just downloaded a doc from the Fannie Mae web sit called q12008.pdf and was able to cut and paste freely. The pdf download add-on for Firefox would not open it in Firefox but Preview on Mac OS X had no problem. Good point. Sometimes the browser plugins don't let you do everything you should be able to do. It is best to download the file and open it in Preview or Acrobat Reader, or even better with the full version of Acrobat. *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Your example of the inheritance/death tax supports the guy you responded to. The money paid by the tax goes to pay for government costs and precludes the transfer of wealth. Tom Piwowar wrote: Not really - it was originally to make the wealthy pay a higher share of government costs, not to simply enact transfers of wealth. Big difference. You ignore history. The motivation can be seen most clearly by examining inheritance taxes. The goal is to extinguish dynastic succession, which is fundamentally undemocratic. Of course the cons/neocons think royalty is just fine. They even coined the misleading term death tax to obscure their true motives. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
OK, not everybody! Tom Piwowar wrote: And everybody still seems to be ignoring the fact that tax cuts are about the least effective way to help the economy. One of my first posts likened tax cuts to spreading money around randomly, with no purpose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Tom Piwowar wrote: If you remember, in 2006, Iraq was at its worst. Highest US and Iraqi casualties, general concensus (at least on the left) that Iraq was in a civil war. Harry Reid stated that the war was lost. The left was vehement about giving up on this mess and leaving the Iraqis to just fight it out among themselves. They were horrified of the Bush proposal to escalate the war with a surge and the counter-insurgency policy of Gen. Betrayus. Obama tried to stop the surge with the Act cited. And at that time, he was with the left on wanting a date certain to withdraw, the idea being that it would put pressure on the Iraqi government to take charge of their own affairs. Iraq did not start to calm down until we started seriously discussing a definite withdrawal date. Doing that changed the discussion. It made it clear to the Iraquis that we were not intending to occupy them forever. This changed many Iraqui's attitudes. Bush also got rid of the nutty ideologue Rumsfeld and replaced him with the rational Gates. Having someone in charge who is rational is a big plus. The radicals also overplayed their hand. The Iraquis grew madder at them than they were at the US. They figured out that working with the US they could get rid of the radicals and then the US woud leave. It took a while for rationality to take hold. If only we could be so successful with the cons/neocons. The American military also threw wads of hundred dollar bills at the insurgents. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
The American military also threw wads of hundred dollar bills at the insurgents. But if would, of course, be very wrong to throw wads of hundred dollar bills at Americans. That would be unwise spending. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software?
Oh my!!! But if you chewck in Yahoo there are good electronic companies that sell Multizone DVDs. Not hackers. Good companies... I bought one in the USA, panasonic and he came already multizone from the reputable dealer. That is true. I guess it is a form of civil disobedience. I don't understand the reazon why this division of the world in six zones... The media cartel wanted the ability to charge higher prices in Region 1. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] What is a good free DVD Player PC software?
Yeah Newegg sells all kinds of illegal items...amazon..all full of illegal stuff. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: BTW, before you get your knickers twisted, you can buy region free dvd players just about everywhere...might want to get that knee jerk DMCA thing looked at before you hurt yourself. Should I make a you list of all the illegal things that can be bought just about everywhere? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Changing web page host...
I have a web page in one ISO provider. I am considering moving to Google. Is there a way I can transfer my web page, as it is, to Google? Probably not. They have their own system and you have to work within that. Their system is quite good, but it is unique to Google. So depending on what your web site looks like it may be easy or not. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 9:52 AM, gerald ger...@slawecki.com wrote: what is the easiest way to get a quote from a pdf into a microsoft cut and paste format. i want about half a page from a 250 page document. i do this fairly often. I didn't see anyone mention the Snapshot Tool in Adobe Reader. Sometimes you don't really have to have the text, just something readable in your document. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=34091576500ref=mf * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The Cloud
I think you're still misunderstanding the concept. Or purposely trying to obfuscate. Implementation of cloud computing hasn't really been possible until recent broadband penetration. But you insist on talking about 'many years' as if you've been avoiding a cloud by choice all this time. FWIW, my wife has been using Yahoo mail's web interface for years (a real cloud), and she's never lost an email, nor is she likely to anytime soon. And The Cloud is growing: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Google/?p=1247 If you have access to broadband, you're doing yourself a disservice by ignoring it. More traces of GDrive popping up http://blogs.zdnet.com/Google/?p=1247 On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 2:21 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: and 24/7 accessibility. If I used the cloud for email over the many years I've been online, I would have lost thousands of messages due to dead services--ISP and otherwise. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Changing web page host...
What's an ISO provider? If you only have one page, I don't see why it would be difficult to move it anywhere. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I have a web page in one ISO provider. I am considering moving to Google. Is there a way I can transfer my web page, as it is, to Google? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
If anyone is interested in a well documented and easy read, with lots of graphs, about the recovery after 1933, go here: http://bonddad.dailykos.com/ Scroll down to The Great Depression, Pt. I - IV * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] most likely an eays itunes question...
I put the soundtrack for collateral into itunes, all tags appear correct, artist is different for each track but album name is the same, COLLATERAL. Yet iTunes breaks it up so that each artist has it's own album, even when I tell it to sort by album. Any ideas on what I am doing wrong...? I've got somewhat the same problem with another album, ONE song on the album is kept on a seperate album even though all the tags appear correct. Any suggestions helpful. Your problem with the iTunes listings is that each song is from a different album, as well as used for a movie sound track. By changing the info tags you can keep them together as a sound track. Select all of the tracks together. Get Info [Command/Control + I]. You may get a warning that you don't want to edit more than one track at the same time. Ignore it. Select the Info tab in the dialog box. You can define the Album in the Album field. Don't edit any other fields, unless you want to give them a genre like Sound Track [bottom pull-down menu], and check the box for Compilation. Click OK Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
If not labor's by right, then who's? Who is left but the government? Not voluntary associations, as they are composed of individuals who might not share as you see fit. Really Tom, what is this analogy of sharing toys about? When you share toys, it is with the understanding that 1. Some party owns the toys and 2. that party expects them to be returned, undiminished, when play time is over. How does this apply to taxation? On Feb 1, 2009, at 5:34 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Tom appears to be of the opinion that what labor produces (or earns) is not theirs by right - they are only entitled to what government is willing to release back to them. The first part of that is correct. It is not yours by right. That notion should have been extinguished in kindergarden. They should have taught you to share toys. Without such socialization, avarice knows no bounds. The second part is just petulant nonesense. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
In what way is a parent giving assets to a child undemocratic? Has any parent been denied the same opportunity, equal before the law? It makes no sense that an individual is free to give their money away, so long as they don't give it to their kin. I really do not understand the principles and assumptions that are at the root of your statements. Matthew On Feb 1, 2009, at 5:17 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Not really - it was originally to make the wealthy pay a higher share of government costs, not to simply enact transfers of wealth. Big difference. You ignore history. The motivation can be seen most clearly by examining inheritance taxes. The goal is to extinguish dynastic succession, which is fundamentally undemocratic. Of course the cons/neocons think royalty is just fine. They even coined the misleading term death tax to obscure their true motives. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Necessity is entirely subjective. What is necessary for me might not be for you. It is therefore not a useful principle for the ordering of society - it is pure ends justifying means. It was necessary has been the excuse of many an oppressive government over the years. I am all in favor of allowing the individual rational person do act as they see necessary, constrained by law. That is different from me telling you what it is necessary for you to do, and using government to force you to do it. Ethically, I believe I am compelled to help my neighbor in time of need. I reject any notion that I have the right to compel you to help your neighbor. Its a freedom thing. On Feb 1, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: It implies that necessity is the highest principle, that is what is wrong with it. You need to explain your objection to necessity. Seems to me that the rational person will first do the necessary and then do the unnecessary as time and resources permit. Is this some con/neocon argument for standing by why others die? The other person's necessary is your unnecessary. So: Your problem is not my problem. If all a human deserved is what they need, what is the motivation for the human animal to produce more than they need if they will be prevented by government from keeping it? Why do you define need so narrowly in this context, but when it comes to your need avarice seems to have no bound? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Changing web page host...
ISP... I have a complex site, many pages: http://pw2.netcom.com/~mvp1/soloproviders1.htm Marcio -Original Message- From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Sent: Feb 1, 2009 7:43 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Changing web page host... What's an ISO provider? If you only have one page, I don't see why it would be difficult to move it anywhere. On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I have a web page in one ISO provider. I am considering moving to Google. Is there a way I can transfer my web page, as it is, to Google? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] cut and paste a pdf
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009, gerald wrote: http://www.fanniemae.com/ir/pdf/earnings/2008/q32008.pdf evince (Document Viewer) in Ubuntu works ok with cut'n'paste. File - Properties reports Security: No * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
What really gets me is people always seem to think government is this nefarious bunch out to ruin our lives. In the US the government is us. Self loathing isn't new. In fact I think a small amount of it is healthy. It keeps a person focused. I voted for Obama. Not because he's black, or from Hawaii, or isn't Bush. McCain was a tempting candidate for a short time. Then he opened his mouth. Then he picked a running mate for VP. That pretty much sealed the deal. Before I get slammed, I have nothing against women, or women in power. But I'm an equal opportunity caller of an idiot. I don't care about sex, race or whatever. It there's a chance they might be representing me I'm going to point out their short comings from the start. Every time I see Palin I can't help but think of that old movie Night of the Comet with Nicholas Cage. For you who may have seen it, do you remember the teacher on stage at the school dance, giving her speech? Can you imagine Palin filling her shoes? And please don't tell me, I think not. Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] most likely an eays itunes question...
Album tags have been corrected. Even though album has the same name, it's still separating them by artist even when I sort by album. Mike On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 4:55 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I put the soundtrack for collateral into itunes, all tags appear correct, artist is different for each track but album name is the same, COLLATERAL. Yet iTunes breaks it up so that each artist has it's own album, even when I tell it to sort by album. Any ideas on what I am doing wrong...? I've got somewhat the same problem with another album, ONE song on the album is kept on a seperate album even though all the tags appear correct. Any suggestions helpful. Your problem with the iTunes listings is that each song is from a different album, as well as used for a movie sound track. By changing the info tags you can keep them together as a sound track. Select all of the tracks together. Get Info [Command/Control + I]. You may get a warning that you don't want to edit more than one track at the same time. Ignore it. Select the Info tab in the dialog box. You can define the Album in the Album field. Don't edit any other fields, unless you want to give them a genre like Sound Track [bottom pull-down menu], and check the box for Compilation. Click OK Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
