Re: [CGUYS] passive gas heaters [Was: DSL answering machines/

2009-02-27 Thread Tom Piwowar
We have two propane heaters--no electricity, no natural gas lines. Glow-Warm 18,000 BTU, Comfort Glow 15,000 BTU. Can be vented or unvented. Ours are unvented since they're so small and low-power. Doesn't unvented fill the house with noxious fumes? I have read that even cooking with gas has

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-02-27 Thread Tom Piwowar
The telcos NEVER made money from residential dialtone, and it remains heavily regulated. We have no choice but to provide it but it remains a cost of doing business. So are you are saying that without regulation to redistribute wealth, many (most?) residential customers would have no telephone

Re: [CGUYS] passive gas heaters

2009-02-27 Thread Tony B
No. Even if there's a malfunction, the pilot lights are cleverly designed so that if the oxygen levels in the room lower, they go out. But normally gas burns pretty much completely, only leaving a bit of moisture in the air. It's said that after many, many years you can detect a darkening in a

Re: [CGUYS] passive gas heaters

2009-02-27 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I am not sure where Betty lives, but if a Tornado or Hurricane comes through this area, we can all end up going a week or maybe less without power. During the summer it is just stifling. If I could afford Solar I would do it, it just makes sense down here. But I do have a gas water heater

Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux

2009-02-27 Thread rleesimon
twice! -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 9:00 AM To: rleesimon Subject: RE: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux wow, TomTom, you must be pissedpissed Should I sue for use of my name?

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-02-27 Thread b_s-wilk
The telcos NEVER made money from residential dialtone, and it remains heavily regulated. We have no choice but to provide it but it remains a cost of doing business. Broadband is a different story but even in that arena franchise agreements have to be negotiated with entities as small as

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-02-27 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
When ATT was ATT they made money on the long distance portion of your Bill. That was always the money end. They also make money on Business users. Our church pays twice as much as a residential customer because we are a business. Yet we use it a lot less than a residential phone. Plus

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-02-27 Thread Tom Piwowar
The stick would only be used on companies that take the incentives without producing desired results. The telcos did that recently, but there was no stick. We got stuck with a charge on our monthly phone bills for something that never happened.

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-02-27 Thread Tom Piwowar
I'd always go for the carrot [incentives] first before considering the stick [regulations or punishment]. Then why do folks get so upset when someone proposes paying rewards to students who get good grades? Often the problem with rewards is that people expend huge resources finding ways to

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-02-27 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Many small farmers do not like dealing with subsidies as they find they take too much paperwork, and often do not pay enough for what it is worth. Most small businesses and people are like this. How many rebate forms have you filled out the past 12 months? My wife is a stay at home empty

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-02-27 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Yes it has, but I still see rebates of 10-15$. I just finished sending out a rebate of $15 for a motherboard. Stewart At 01:30 PM 2/27/2009, you wrote: I'm curious, what size rebate do you have in mind? A $25 rebate would seem enough to justify the paperwork even if you're busy, money is

Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux

2009-02-27 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Last I knew DRDOS was owned by Novell. Stewart At 03:07 PM 2/27/2009, you wrote: It recall that Microsoft licensed QDOS in 1981 from a Seattle company to pitch Microsoft to IBM as the best provider of the PC operating system. Gates renamed it MS-DOS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86-DOS QDOS

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-02-27 Thread John Emmerling
Well, $15 will buy you at least 2 decent meals where I live. This gives me an idea (I'm serious about this). If anybody knows a young person who wants an idea for a service project of some sort, perhaps volunteering to help working folks apply for rebates would qualify. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-02-27 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Don't laugh it would make great money for the seniors and much appreciated work for the youngsters. Stewart At 03:41 PM 2/27/2009, you wrote: Well, $15 will buy you at least 2 decent meals where I live. This gives me an idea (I'm serious about this). If anybody knows a young person who

Re: [CGUYS] D.S.L. phone service

2009-02-27 Thread rleesimon
Why not get a voip line like what I have and use that for the bulk of your talk and if you want keep the pots for emergencies at the lowest possible rate ...I got phonepower.com ...when I got it they had a deal 10%off whatever your 1st bill was ...so I signed up for a year which sold for $200 and

Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux

2009-02-27 Thread Chris Dunford
Digital Research was created in the 70's to market CP/M, and should hold the first patent for that convention... if they had the foresight to patient such a benign aspect of their creation! The article doesn't say specifically, but I strongly suspect that the patents are not on 8.3

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-02-27 Thread Tom Piwowar
Now, are there third party solar backups for FIOS? Or DC powered backups coupled with generators? FIOS will only need a few milliamperes. You could put the 2 cats on a treadmill hooked to a small generator. * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux

2009-02-27 Thread Tom Piwowar
The article doesn't say specifically, but I strongly suspect that the patents are not on 8.3 filenames per se. I suspect that the patents have to do with the mechanisms by which an OS with long filenames supports legacy software that only understands 8.3 names. Why would any rational system

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-02-27 Thread Eric S. Sande
So are you are saying that without regulation to redistribute wealth, many (most?) residential customers would have no telephone service? No, I'm saying that it's a cost of doing business. State tariffs normally cap rate of return, set prices and define, strictly, performance standards. If I

Re: [CGUYS] passive gas heaters [Was: DSL answering machines/

2009-02-27 Thread b_s-wilk
We have two propane heaters--no electricity, no natural gas lines. Glow-Warm 18,000 BTU, Comfort Glow 15,000 BTU. Can be vented or unvented. Ours are unvented since they're so small and low-power. Doesn't unvented fill the house with noxious fumes? I have read that even cooking with gas has

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-02-27 Thread Eric S. Sande
BTW, if telcos never made money from residential service, how did they pay my dividends for so many years, including 2008? Residential service is a drop in the revenue bucket (one that is getting smaller by the day, by the way). A maintenance or installation truck roll costs virtually the same

Re: [CGUYS] passive gas heaters [Was: DSL answering machines/

2009-02-27 Thread Richard P.
Years ago a friend put one of the ventless heaters in a small trailer she was renting. When she got home on a cold winter day, everything was soaked inside from the water vapor. Obviously, it wasn't a good fit for that type of installation. Richard P. On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 7:00 PM, b_s-wilk

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-02-27 Thread Eric S. Sande
Whether individual households use this service or not isn't important. The benefits to nonusers from businesses, schools and communities being more connected, resourceful and efficient will affect them positively even if they don't use broadband themselves. Well, that has not been my

Re: [CGUYS] MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux

2009-02-27 Thread Chris Dunford
Why would any rational system designer think they still need to support 8.3? A) Relevance to the MS lawsuit, please? B) Not so very long ago you mentioned that you couldn't use (or knew people who couldn't use) Vista because it did not support certain legacy apps that you (or they) need. But