Re: [CGUYS] pentium d 945
I checked all fans, used a shop vac to blow the case out etc. Idle, the two programs report the cpu at 48c. Once I start transcoding, it jumps to 70, CPU activity of course jumps to 95% plus. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: It's certainly possible. Especially if the CPU fan isn't working, or is dirty, or the thermal paste needs replacing, or if the room temp is high. I suppose the giveaway would be if the temp gradually rises after turning on the machine. i.e., if it comes on at 65c, it's likely just a temp sensor calibration problem. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 6:56 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: I've been googling (no bing for me) for a little bit but I haven't been able to find a good number. While transcoding video on CPU in the subject line, everest and cpuz reports that the temp is up over 70c. Is that possible? I'm worried, should I be real worried as in not use the CPU for such tasks? I've read these CPU's run hot...but that hot? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] pentium d 945
I found that page in my searching also..this was one of those pages that was very useful...or not. It seems pretty vague. You could be ok, or you might not be. The temp listed for my class of CPU seems to be near what I'm hitting so...we'll see I suppose. You wouldn't think reporting the temp of a cpu would be so hard to pin down since that is such an important factor in the health of the computer. Thanks, I might just open it up and stick a big fan on it while I transcode. On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:37 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2009, at 6:56 PM, mike wrote: I've been googling (no bing for me) for a little bit but I haven't been able to find a good number. While transcoding video on CPU in the subject line, everest and cpuz reports that the temp is up over 70c. Is that possible? I'm worried, should I be real worried as in not use the CPU for such tasks? I've read these CPU's run hot...but that hot? http://www.heatsink-guide.com/content.php?content=maxtemp.shtml While not listing the D 495 specifically, this page suggests that 70C is not too hot. Note that this page lists case temps, which are lower than reported temps. This gives you even more margin. You can often bring down temps significantly by opening the case and pointing a big fan at the thing. Also consider how much of this you are going to be doing. If just a little then don't bother to fix. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] pentium d 945
This Intel PDF should have the answer. They certainly don't make it easy to find. http://download.intel.com/design/PentiumXE/datashts/31030607.pdf 945D page: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27520processor=945spec-codes=SL9QB,SL 9QQ -Original Message- I found that page in my searching also..this was one of those pages that was very useful...or not. It seems pretty vague. You could be ok, or you might not be. The temp listed for my class of CPU seems to be near what I'm hitting so...we'll see I suppose. You wouldn't think reporting the temp of a cpu would be so hard to pin down since that is such an important factor in the health of the computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:43 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: The cheapo Win7 releases at Best Buy seem to be 50 and 100 for upgrades. I heard it was from Vista only. The Apple upgrade is from any version and not for a crippled version of the OS. Since most people would be upgrading from XP and don't want crippleware, what does a real upgrade cost? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New MS ads not so ineffective after all?
On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:59 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I also have noted in those MS ads that the buyers are making their decisions solely predicated upon two factors: The cheaper cost and the advice of Best Buy salespersons. Would anyone on this list rely upon those two criteria when making their computer purchasing decisions? Most likely not because we are probably a lot more savvy that the folks depicted in those ads. I think we all know to whom those ads are targeted. I would not use a term like savvy to describe our WFBs. Their loyalties are more like to a political party. They never see anything wrong with anything M$ shoves out. All their software -- even Vista -- is double plus good. They love the Zune and those crummy WINCE phones. I was recently derided by them for listing some sour OS releases from Apple. In their world there is never such a thing. Everything M$ does and sells is only to be praised. That is hardly the definition of savvy. If one of them told me the time of day, I would check my watch. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
Apple is going to let you upgrade from puma to snow leopard for 29 bux? Not bad. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:57 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:43 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: The cheapo Win7 releases at Best Buy seem to be 50 and 100 for upgrades. I heard it was from Vista only. The Apple upgrade is from any version and not for a crippled version of the OS. Since most people would be upgrading from XP and don't want crippleware, what does a real upgrade cost? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New MS ads not so ineffective after all?
Where do you meet these people? On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:05 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2009, at 10:59 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I also have noted in those MS ads that the buyers are making their decisions solely predicated upon two factors: The cheaper cost and the advice of Best Buy salespersons. Would anyone on this list rely upon those two criteria when making their computer purchasing decisions? Most likely not because we are probably a lot more savvy that the folks depicted in those ads. I think we all know to whom those ads are targeted. I would not use a term like savvy to describe our WFBs. Their loyalties are more like to a political party. They never see anything wrong with anything M$ shoves out. All their software -- even Vista -- is double plus good. They love the Zune and those crummy WINCE phones. I was recently derided by them for listing some sour OS releases from Apple. In their world there is never such a thing. Everything M$ does and sells is only to be praised. That is hardly the definition of savvy. If one of them told me the time of day, I would check my watch. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] pentium d 945
I can't get either cpuz or Everest to show mu cpu temps. What am I doing wrong? I know I've got apps here somewhere that will do it, but it's still early for me. I swear I used to have something that showed cpu temp in my Google Sidebar.? Oh, okay - Speedfan shows 51c 49c now, and says that's hot. But it shows my GPU at 70c and says that's hot too. I'll render a project later and check again, but I can easily imagine pushing these babies up 20 degrees if they were actually being used. Oh and btw - I have one side of my case open and a small 5 desk fan pointed at my junk. Room temp 75f. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New MS ads not so ineffective after all?
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:11 AM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: Where do you meet these people? I don't know where Tom meets these people, but I meet them all the time. However, my experiences with folks who are completely wedded to Windows seems to be different from what Tom is saying. The folks I meet and speak with about computers are almost exclusively Windows users, but generally not computer experts by any measure. They are mainly business owners, people who work in small businesses where Windows is the OS of either choice or perceived necessity, or just individuals who use their own computers for personal use. Most of these folks have numerous computer related issues that they fairly often have to address. First off, they will try to fix the problems themselves, usually failing in those endeavors. Then they have to call in the Geek Squad and be prepared to spend a couple or three hundred bucks. I will usually hear them complain about how their computer just suddenly started running very slowly or freezes up all the time or how this or that no longer works. However, as much as they might complain about their balky machines, they think that they have no choice but to keep using Windows and keep putting up with the problems they encounter. Are these problems of their own making? Maybe so, but I have no way of knowing and neither do they. Do Mac users have some similar problems? Sure they do, but apparently not nearly to the same extent. Why does that seem to be so? I dunno for sure, but it may often have something to do with the prevalence of viruses, spyware, bots and other assorted afflictions that plague Windows. Maybe the Mac internal hardware is better as well. I also think that the cheap initial cost of Windows machines is attractive to computer neophytes, and these inexperienced and often unthinking new users are prone to doing stupid things that get them into trouble. I somehow have the suspicion that an awful lot of folks who buy Macs are typically a bit more computer smart and experienced, maybe even more mature in their thinking processes even if they are relatively young in age. I'll probably get clobbered now, but hey, that's what I think. Yes, I know that many Windows users HAVE TO use Windows based machines because of work requirements, but those are not the individuals I am talking about here. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New MS ads not so ineffective after all?
This is called battered spouse syndrome. It needs intervention and possibly arrest of the guilty party. On Jun 10, 2009, at 1:07 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: However, as much as they might complain about their balky machines, they think that they have no choice but to keep using Windows and keep putting up with the problems they encounter. Are these problems of their own making? Maybe so, but I have no way of knowing and neither do they. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
How much more beyond that to include Exchange support? In Snow Leopard, you'll have to pay a hefty $0 extra to get it. Microsoft might actually have something to be happy about in this regard, because Snow Leopard's Exchange support requires the most recent version of Exchange, so this will provide one more incentive for businesses to upgrade their exchange servers. From:John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:43 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Snow Leopard vs Leopard looks to be more of an SE type of upgrade, much like Win7 vs. Vista. Accordingly Apple will charge $29 for the upgrade. How many zeros will we need to add to that to get M$'s Win7 price? The cheapo Win7 releases at Best Buy seem to be 50 and 100 for upgrades. I heard it was from Vista only. http://lifehacker.com/5283189/best-buys-upgrade-pricing-for-windows-7-free-50-100-depending-on-your-situation -- * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New MS ads not so ineffective after all?
I think they refer to you as target audience. On Jun 10, 2009, at 11:11 AM, mike wrote: Where do you meet these people? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New MS ads not so ineffective after all?
Yes, savvy buyers will get Macs, but there is also a very large group of people who know little about computers. These are graphic artists. They typically point to their computer and call them the hard drive. (I have never been able to understand the consistency with which they use the term hard drive but they all seem to say the same thing.) They get absolutely paralyzed when things go wrong. That's why they get Macs. Things rarely go wrong. On Jun 10, 2009, at 1:07 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I somehow have the suspicion that an awful lot of folks who buy Macs are typically a bit more computer smart and experienced, maybe even more mature in their thinking processes even if they are relatively young in age. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New MS ads not so ineffective after all?
I too meet them, Steve. My company is large and has a large IT group. They install all of the patches and probably over 95+% of all software installs. Each OS installation is configured from a company-standard image. None of the managers and few of the technical staff are able to do anything except call the IT group. I don't meet many people who are curious about any of this; it seems to be day and night: a few of us can and almost everyone else cannot do much more than run application software that resides on their C drive. These folks think they can have a similar experience on a Windows computer at home, but, of course, there is no one at home who knows how to administer it. The people I meet in the IT support group appear to be the largest group of Mac OS and Linux users on their home computers (especially since dual-boot has matured). Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:11 AM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: Where do you meet these people? I don't know where Tom meets these people, but I meet them all the time. However, my experiences with folks who are completely wedded to Windows seems to be different from what Tom is saying. The folks I meet and speak with about computers are almost exclusively Windows users, but generally not computer experts by any measure. They are mainly business owners, people who work in small businesses where Windows is the OS of either choice or perceived necessity, or just individuals who use their own computers for personal use. Most of these folks have numerous computer related issues that they fairly often have to address. First off, they will try to fix the problems themselves, usually failing in those endeavors. Then they have to call in the Geek Squad and be prepared to spend a couple or three hundred bucks. I will usually hear them complain about how their computer just suddenly started running very slowly or freezes up all the time or how this or that no longer works. However, as much as they might complain about their balky machines, they think that they have no choice but to keep using Windows and keep putting up with the problems they encounter. Are these problems of their own making? Maybe so, but I have no way of knowing and neither do they. Do Mac users have some similar problems? Sure they do, but apparently not nearly to the same extent. Why does that seem to be so? I dunno for sure, but it may often have something to do with the prevalence of viruses, spyware, bots and other assorted afflictions that plague Windows. Maybe the Mac internal hardware is better as well. I also think that the cheap initial cost of Windows machines is attractive to computer neophytes, and these inexperienced and often unthinking new users are prone to doing stupid things that get them into trouble. I somehow have the suspicion that an awful lot of folks who buy Macs are typically a bit more computer smart and experienced, maybe even more mature in their thinking processes even if they are relatively young in age. I'll probably get clobbered now, but hey, that's what I think. Yes, I know that many Windows users HAVE TO use Windows based machines because of work requirements, but those are not the individuals I am talking about here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
Exchange is just one more proof of un-savvyness. Big, bulky, expensive, and fragile. The only reason to buy it is to keep upper management terrified of what will happen if IT is not around to constantly tend it. (I guess that is a perverse form of savvy.) On Jun 10, 2009, at 1:19 PM, David K Watson wrote: Microsoft might actually have something to be happy about in this regard, because Snow Leopard's Exchange support requires the most recent version of Exchange, so this will provide one more incentive for businesses to upgrade their exchange servers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
Apple is going to let you upgrade from puma to snow leopard for 29 bux? Not bad. Snow Leopard 10.6 requires an Intel Mac. $29 upgrade is from Leopard, 10.5. Apple sez: 'For Tiger® users with an Intel-based Mac, the Mac Box Set includes Mac OS X Snow Leopard, iLife® ’09 and iWork® ’09 and will be available for a suggested price of $169 (US) and a Family Pack is available for a suggested price of $229 (US).' http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/06/08macosx.html iLife + iWork + Snow Leopard = $99 + $99 + $129 = $327 without discount [$169 with discount]. How much will Windows 7 Pro alone cost when it's out of beta? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
Well, the people who are most likely to upgrade their OS are the ones who have recently bought a new one. A significant proportion of XP users in this group are ones who had to buy a Vista license in order to run XP, so the XP - Win7 upgrade cost should not apply to them. As for the rest of the XP users who want to upgrade to Windows 7, MS can't make the cost of the direct upgrade so expensive that people will consider the option of combining an upgrade to Vista with a Vista - Win7 upgrade. I have no idea what any of those prices are, though I'd expect that the cost of the intermediate upgrade to Vista will fall like a meteor once Windows 7 is released. From:t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:43 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: The cheapo Win7 releases at Best Buy seem to be 50 and 100 for upgrades. I heard it was from Vista only. The Apple upgrade is from any version and not for a crippled version of the OS. Since most people would be upgrading from XP and don't want crippleware, what does a real upgrade cost? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Miraculous Healing of Mouse
Hello Everyone ... Thanks so much for all your good advice on what to do about my dead mouse. Having tried all the fixes, including Tom's suggestion for Ultimate Boot Disk to no avail, I decided to bite the bullet and reformat. I downloaded a backup program, Acronis, and put it on the machine this morning, then rebooted, in addordance with instructions and went to get more coffee. When I returned, lo and behold, there he was, his little belly glowing red like a beacon in the night. Praise the Lord; the mouse is reborn! I'm going ahead with the backup just in case this happens again but wanted to let you know -- and also ask if anybody has any idea of what this might be -- could there be a short-circuit somewhere? And if so, should I be worried about that?? The good news from this experience is I've learned to navigate the computer ad the internet without a mouse (no small feat, it seems to me) which has given me a lot of time to practice patience. Again, many thanks, as always, for your help! Gail Miller * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Miraculous Healing of Mouse
Very odd. If the mouse did mot work under UBD it should not have worked after a reformat. Windows is so unscientific. Maybe you should have smeared chicken blood on the case? On Jun 10, 2009, at 4:40 PM, Gail.Miller wrote: Thanks so much for all your good advice on what to do about my dead mouse. Having tried all the fixes, including Tom's suggestion for Ultimate Boot Disk to no avail, I decided to bite the bullet and reformat. I downloaded a backup program, Acronis, and put it on the machine this morning, then rebooted, in addordance with instructions and went to get more coffee. When I returned, lo and behold, there he was, his little belly glowing red like a beacon in the night. Praise the Lord; the mouse is reborn! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:19 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: How much more beyond that to include Exchange support? In Snow Leopard, you'll have to pay a hefty $0 extra to get it. Microsoft might actually have something to be happy about in this regard, because Snow Leopard's Exchange support requires the most recent version of Exchange, so this will provide one more incentive for businesses to upgrade their exchange servers. I think that the Best Buy.com deals are are the extra good chaser deals. If M$ had more sense they would shoot for around $100/$150 to get volume of sales. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:25 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Apple is going to let you upgrade from puma to snow leopard for 29 bux? Not bad. Snow Leopard 10.6 requires an Intel Mac. $29 upgrade is from Leopard, 10.5. Apple sez: 'For Tiger® users with an Intel-based Mac, the Mac Box Set includes Mac OS X Snow Leopard, iLife® ’09 and iWork® ’09 and will be available for a suggested price of $169 (US) and a Family Pack is available for a suggested price of $229 (US).' http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/06/08macosx.html iLife + iWork + Snow Leopard = $99 + $99 + $129 = $327 without discount [$169 with discount]. How much will Windows 7 Pro alone cost when it's out of beta? Just rumors on pricing for Win7 so far. They seem way high especially after the Apple announcement. I skipped Leopard on the Mac and the $169 package looks pretty good. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Miraculous Healing of Mouse
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:20 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Very odd. If the mouse did mot work under UBD it should not have worked after a reformat. Windows is so unscientific. Maybe you should have smeared chicken blood on the case? I rub mine with Apple slices. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New MS ads not so ineffective after all?
Steve, I just wanted to say that I think your comments have been spot on! Steve B phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I'll probably get clobbered now, but hey, that's what I think. Yes, I know that many Windows users HAVE TO use Windows based machines because of work requirements, but those are not the individuals I am talking about here. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New MS ads not so ineffective after all?
I would not use a term like savvy to describe our WFBs. Their loyalties are more like to a political party. They never see anything wrong with anything M$ shoves out. All their software -- even Vista -- is double plus good. They love the Zune and those crummy WINCE phones. I was recently derided by them for listing some sour OS releases from Apple. In their world there is never such a thing. Everything M$ does and sells is only to be praised. That is hardly the definition of savvy. If one of them told me the time of day, I would check my watch. Don't be ridiculous, Tom. You'd never stoop to ask me the time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New MS ads not so ineffective after all?
I'll probably get clobbered now, but hey, that's what I think. Yes, I know that many Windows users HAVE TO use Windows based machines because of work requirements, but those are not the individuals I am talking about here. The smug arrogance and asshattery displayed regularly by a substantial number of Mac owners says more about them as a group than anything Windows owners could ever possibly do. I know not all of them are like that, I personally know several Mac owners who are quite normal and tolerable in that regard, it's just a computer to them (their lives are fulfilled in more substantial ways), but I would be ashamed to be associated with the Kool-Aid guzzlers if I were in that position. A good excommunication would be in order. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
Exchange is just one more proof of un-savvyness. Big, bulky, expensive, and fragile. The only reason to buy it is to keep upper management terrified of what will happen if IT is not around to constantly tend it. (I guess that is a perverse form of savvy.) Funny, my Mac users are jealous of the Windows users who have all of their information integrated in Exchange, especially the group scheduling component in the calendar. They never want to use Entourage. They insist on running Outlook 2001 in classic mode to get similar functionality. Of course, businesses could always buy one of the many hosted Exchange solutions and not have to worry about the upkeep at all. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Why Apple wins. every. time.
A story those who don't know what a real MFB looks like (not like me)... http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009/06/08/why-apple-wins-every-time/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Obama holds out for iPhone 3G S
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/obama-makes-a-grave-mistake/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
On Jun 10, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: They insist on running Outlook 2001 in classic mode to get similar functionality. (Psst, hey Jeff. It's 2009, going on 2010. You can't fake being savvy if you don't know that.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
(Psst, hey Jeff. It's 2009, going on 2010. You can't fake being savvy if you don't know that.) I don't think my Mac users are even trying to fake being savvy any more. We call that learned helplessness. What can I say? They just insist on being troglodytes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will
I'll be honest, I have not been really been following this thread. Today, however, I noticed that if a person typed an incorrect web site address or forgot the .com .org etc at the end Bing was used to help them find the correct site. I do not find this in and of itself bad. However, if these are considered hits on Bing it is at best misleading. It seems in most of the cases I witnessed it was a typo not a true search and Bing would not have been the search engine chosen if it was. Is this what was meant by the title of this thread? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Miraculous Healing of Mouse
At 08:07 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: Date:Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:40:38 -0400 From:Gail.Miller gail.mil...@comcast.net Thanks so much for all your good advice on what to do about my dead mouse. Having tried all the fixes, including Tom's suggestion for Ultimate Boot Disk to no avail, I decided to bite the bullet and reformat. I downloaded a backup program, Acronis, and put it on the machine this morning, then rebooted, in addordance with instructions and went to get more coffee. When I returned, lo and behold, there he was, his little belly glowing red like a beacon in the night. Praise the Lord; the mouse is reborn! It's evident that you have a female mouse not a Male one.. G Of course you know the difference, don't you? rich * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
On Jun 10, 2009, at 8:15 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: I don't think my Mac users are even trying to fake being savvy any more. We call that learned helplessness. What can I say? They just insist on being troglodytes. You have worn them down, just like you try (and fail) to do here. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will
On Jun 10, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: I'll be honest, I have not been really been following this thread. Today, however, I noticed that if a person typed an incorrect web site address or forgot the .com .org etc at the end Bing was used to help them find the correct site. I do not find this in and of itself bad. However, if these are considered hits on Bing it is at best misleading. It seems in most of the cases I witnessed it was a typo not a true search and Bing would not have been the search engine chosen if it was. Is this what was meant by the title of this thread? I have read that this is considered to be a bad thing as it opens users to cross-site scripting attacks. http://www.darkreading.com/security/app-security/showArticle.jhtml? articleID=211201335 I see M$ would rather goose Bing's numbers than keep its customers safe. A typical, dangerous M$ dirty trick. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Forced to Bing Against Their Will
I think the difference here is live.com is gone for searching...people might not realize they are by default being pushed to bing instead of live now. As far what Tom is talking about, he can blame MS as he always does, but it's more of an ISP problem. Even if MS begs them to do this, they have to agree. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:34 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 10, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Stephen Brownfield wrote: I'll be honest, I have not been really been following this thread. Today, however, I noticed that if a person typed an incorrect web site address or forgot the .com .org etc at the end Bing was used to help them find the correct site. I do not find this in and of itself bad. However, if these are considered hits on Bing it is at best misleading. It seems in most of the cases I witnessed it was a typo not a true search and Bing would not have been the search engine chosen if it was. Is this what was meant by the title of this thread? I have read that this is considered to be a bad thing as it opens users to cross-site scripting attacks. http://www.darkreading.com/security/app-security/showArticle.jhtml ?articleID=211201335 I see M$ would rather goose Bing's numbers than keep its customers safe. A typical, dangerous M$ dirty trick. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
Seems most users are comparing the cost of going from XP to 7 and then into snow leopard from 10.5. XP came out 8 years ago...even if 7 users pay 500 dollars it is less then Mac users have paid since 10.1 came out. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:25 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Apple is going to let you upgrade from puma to snow leopard for 29 bux? Not bad. Snow Leopard 10.6 requires an Intel Mac. $29 upgrade is from Leopard, 10.5. Apple sez: 'For Tiger® users with an Intel-based Mac, the Mac Box Set includes Mac OS X Snow Leopard, iLife® ’09 and iWork® ’09 and will be available for a suggested price of $169 (US) and a Family Pack is available for a suggested price of $229 (US).' http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/06/08macosx.html iLife + iWork + Snow Leopard = $99 + $99 + $129 = $327 without discount [$169 with discount]. How much will Windows 7 Pro alone cost when it's out of beta? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Why Apple wins. every. time.
Right, netbooks aren't computers but iPHONES are not phones but computers... If I live to be 100, I'll still not get tom-logic. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:27 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Jun 10, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Tony B wrote: It's apparently a story about expensive cell phones. Who cares? (Psst, Tony, those are computers, not phones and its 2009, not 2001. If you want to be considered savvy you've got to get with it.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Why Apple wins. every. time.
Right, netbooks aren't computers but iPHONES are not phones but computers... If I live to be 100, I'll still not get tom-logic. Geeze, this is so simple. Netbooks aren't real computers because they have small screens and cramped keyboards. iPhones ARE real computers because they...oh...wait... (fingers tapping...got it) Geeze, this is so simple. Netbooks aren't real computers because they have small screens and cramped keyboards and they run Windows. iPhones ARE real computers because they have teeny screens and no keyboards, but they're made by Apple. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Does it Right
You missed a step. If someone has not yet purchased an Intel based Mac they have to now buy an Intel based Mac so it would be even more costly. Stewart At 09:43 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: Seems most users are comparing the cost of going from XP to 7 and then into snow leopard from 10.5. XP came out 8 years ago...even if 7 users pay 500 dollars it is less then Mac users have paid since 10.1 came out. On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:25 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Apple is going to let you upgrade from puma to snow leopard for 29 bux? Not bad. Snow Leopard 10.6 requires an Intel Mac. $29 upgrade is from Leopard, 10.5. Apple sez: 'For Tiger® users with an Intel-based Mac, the Mac Box Set includes Mac OS X Snow Leopard, iLife® 09 and iWork® 09 and will be available for a suggested price of $169 (US) and a Family Pack is available for a suggested price of $229 (US).' http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/06/08macosx.html iLife + iWork + Snow Leopard = $99 + $99 + $129 = $327 without discount [$169 with discount]. How much will Windows 7 Pro alone cost when it's out of beta? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Miraculous Healing of Mouse
- Original Message - From: Rich Schinnell richnrockvi...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:13 PM Subject: [CGUYS] Miraculous Healing of Mouse At 08:07 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote: Date:Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:40:38 -0400 From:Gail.Miller gail.mil...@comcast.net Thanks so much for all your good advice on what to do about my dead mouse. Having tried all the fixes, including Tom's suggestion for Ultimate Boot Disk to no avail, I decided to bite the bullet and reformat. I downloaded a backup program, Acronis, and put it on the machine this morning, then rebooted, in addordance with instructions and went to get more coffee. When I returned, lo and behold, there he was, his little belly glowing red like a beacon in the night. Praise the Lord; the mouse is reborn! It's evident that you have a female mouse not a Male one.. G Of course you know the difference, don't you? rich ummm, no, and I'm almost afraid to ask -- but I will. What's the difference between a male and female mouse? TIA...Gail * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
