Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 15, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: As you know, he has been asked repeatedly for this information. I asked him at least three times in the last Zune thread to provide reasons why Zune is vastly inferior and got no response beyond the usual. This is a question that won't be

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Eric S. Sande
I think Sarah Palin joined the List under an assumed name. Well, I have to agree that Sarah Palin lost my vote for the Republican ticket, the official one. It would be good to see what you object to specifically with Zune, not that I generally care about mass market crap, anyway. ?

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:01 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Wow. http://rantsandstuff.com/2009/06/01/nitpicking-the-zune-hd/ It’s the little things like this that make me wonder what else did they not pay that much attention to? They

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread mike
Well we know from sales figures the Zune isn't mass market so you must be referring to Tom. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com wrote: I think Sarah Palin joined the List under an assumed name. Well, I have to agree that Sarah Palin lost my vote for the

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
I think Sarah Palin joined the List under an assumed name. The Zune Panel has noted your opinion. Thank you for participating in this public forum. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Chris Dunford
As you know, he has been asked repeatedly for this information. I asked him at least three times in the last Zune thread to provide reasons why Zune is vastly inferior and got no response beyond the usual. This is a question that won't be answered with any logic. I think Sarah Palin

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread David K Watson
Screen size: Remember size is roughly the square of the diagonal. Taking second digit rounding into account that could be as much as 18% difference. That is a worst case number, but it agrees pretty closely with the computation in pixels: 480x320 vs. 480x272 (17.6% more for the Touch). Yes, I

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 16, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: It would be good to see what you object to specifically with Zune, not that I generally care about mass market crap, anyway. Someone else said it, but I will repeat it once again because it is so brilliantly succinct... M$ is skating to

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread mike
This has got to be an act, Tom can't be this obtuse and still feed himself. All the world's a stage and all the men and women are merely players. Play on Tom. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 16, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: It would be good

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Eric S. Sande
Why are you wasting your time defending such mediocrity? I don't waste time defending mediocrity. You all ready know my views on what is trash and what is not. These devices are seriously compromised in delivering high quality audio. And I include the Ipod. We might as well be talking about

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread mike
Are there any portable players with sound you do like? I'm not trying to be a smartass, just trying to educate myself. I know you follow this particular area a lot more then I do. I've never been much of a audiophile, I've listened to a LOT of music at work over the last few decades, always on

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Eric S. Sande
AH OK so you are a snob audiophile that would rather listen to a high end Macinstosh than a high end Apple. No. Not exactly. If it sounds good it is good. I don't have McIntosh gear, that isn't in my price range. But I'm pretty experienced and I can tell if what I'm hearing is a pony versus

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
AH OK so you are a snob audiophile that would rather listen to a high end Macinstosh than a high end Apple. I like. Stewart At 02:22 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: Why are you wasting your time defending such mediocrity? I don't waste time defending mediocrity. You all ready know my views on

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
Battery life: I said *advertised* battery life and I'm sticking with that. The HD numbers you quote comes from something MS reportedly sent to engadget. However, MS's own store as of a few minutes ago says 24 hours audio, 4 hours video:

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 16, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: But I'm pretty experienced and I can tell if what I'm hearing is a pony versus a pile of pony crap. Are you denigrating MP3 or iPods? Have you listened to an Apple lossless file on an iPod? Apple's lossless compression makes iTunes an

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Eric S. Sande
Are there any portable players with sound you do like? Sure, it's possible. Actually the Ipod isn't bad but it doesn't have a digital output that will feed a portable DAC and amp. Very good systems can be built around an Ipod but the Ipod's onboard DAC and amp are shite. As long as you see

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Eric S. Sandeesa...@erols.com wrote: They are what they are.  No one with any serious interest in music takes them as anything more than that. Precisely. As an avid listener of good music, and and all genres are welcomed if the offerings are of high caliber,

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Eric S. Sande
Are you denigrating MP3 or iPods? Have you listened to an Apple lossless file on an iPod? See my subsequent post. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: Any portables out there you do like?  Any suggestions for someone wanting to see if they can hear the difference? No portables, even those played via a docking system with some attached speakers, will sound anything like real

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread mike
A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:38 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: Anecdotally, a lot of youngsters these days have never seriously listened to music on a REAL

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 4:15 PM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 16, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: But I'm pretty experienced and I can tell if what I'm hearing is a pony versus a pile of pony crap. Are you denigrating MP3 or iPods? Have you listened to an Apple lossless file

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread mike
I don't think it's quality that is so much the point with HD radio as much as more content. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:28 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Eric S. Sandeesa...@erols.com wrote: As to HD radio over earbuds, you would never hear

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's quality that is so much the point with HD radio as much as more content. Perhaps so, but radio stations most certainly use the quality thing to convince listeners that they should invest in HD radio receivers.

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Jeff Wright
Perhaps so, but radio stations most certainly use the quality thing to convince listeners that they should invest in HD radio receivers. Whadda ya think HD is an abbreviation for? Certainly nothing to do with content. The HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, not high definition.

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Eric S. Sande
Well, okay, but compared to what? I guess that wasn't a good answer because it comes down to expectation. If all someone has ever heard is recorded music, it is logical to conclude that that is their standard. I am not willing to open the worm can here. But I will say that for those who have

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Again HUH? HD stands for Hybrid Digital in radio language it has all to do with programming. Offering different audio streams of different content on a hybrid digital channel. The HD they are talking about for the Ipod/Zune has to do with Video output which has a totally different

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
HUH? A decent lower level receiver with a decent set of speakers (I am not talking audio[phile quality) will not set you back much more than what you are spending on your ipods/accessories. Secondly they last a lot longer. Current amp/receiver set up I am using is at least 10 years old.

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: The HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, not high definition. True. Still, stations tout the audio quality when talking up HD radio even though an awful lot of their HD programming is talk stuff where great sound is

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Actually I think the biggest purveyors of HD radio are Public Radio Stations. Stewart At 08:49 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: The HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, not high definition. True. Still, stations tout the

Re: [CGUYS] Zune HD TV Interface Makes It a Media Center For Your Pocket

2009-08-16 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Actually I think the biggest purveyors of HD radio are Public Radio Stations. The two major markets I know the best seem to list most of the stations as having an HD Radio transmitter according to