Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?

2009-08-23 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting db db...@att.net: Can anyone tell me what probably occurred and what are the best procedures for securing iChat/ AIM that won't also block the LogMeIn remote login that I use to give him lessons? I don't have an actual answer for you (sorry), but this might be worth a trip to an

Re: [CGUYS] iMac problem

2009-08-23 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:50 PM, Jordan wrote: My 2 year old intel iMac won't boot. I got a grey kernel crash screen yesterday, but it restarted and ran fine in the evening so I didn't take any time to investigate. This evening it started strangely, displayed properly, but would not run Eye TV.

Re: [CGUYS] [Fwd: PCMag Analysis: Apple, ATT and Google Voice]

2009-08-23 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 22, 2009, at 8:23 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Their argument sounds oddly plaintive: Apple spent a lot of time and effort developing their phone interface, so they don't like that Google replac[es] the iPhone's core mobile telephone functionality and Apple user interface with its own user

Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?

2009-08-23 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 22, 2009, at 11:44 PM, db wrote: Currently he has no use whatsoever for iChat (he's just learning to mouse about, read emails etc... he hasn't even sent an email yet...) and I'd like to make sure his computer and iChat are secure and impervious to more of the same.

Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?

2009-08-23 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 23, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Reid Katan wrote: How else would he have iChat and AIM accounts going? iChat uses the AIM network. So no surprise there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 22, 2009, at 4:40 PM, mike wrote: Everything is the fault of those damn neomircrosofticons eh? How you manage to bring your made up boogey men into everything is amazing. On Aug 22, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: You first feign outrage over Google Voice and then almost

Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?

2009-08-23 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com: On Aug 23, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Reid Katan wrote: How else would he have iChat and AIM accounts going? iChat uses the AIM network. So no surprise there. What I was wondering is, basically, do Macs come with iChat/AIM accounts set up? That seems like something

Re: [CGUYS] iMac problem

2009-08-23 Thread Jordan
TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:50 PM, Jordan wrote: My 2 year old intel iMac won't boot. I got a grey kernel crash screen yesterday, but it restarted and ran fine in the evening so I didn't take any time to investigate. This evening it started strangely, displayed properly, but would

[CGUYS] Apple Answers the FCC’s Questions

2009-08-23 Thread Alvin Auerbach
Begin forwarded message: From: lists...@listserv.aol.com Date: August 23, 2009 8:07:35 AM EDT To: Alvin Auerbach alvin.auerb...@verizon.net Subject: Rejected posting to COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Your message cannot be distributed to the COMPUTERGUYS-L list because it exceeds the

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread Jeff Wright
Fortunately there were many other posts that were thoughtful about this very interesting situation. TomLogik(t) Not thoughtful = Objective reality. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread mike
I wish you would. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 7:10 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Arguing with you guys is like trying to have a conversation with a coffee table. Fortunately there were many other posts that were thoughtful about this very interesting situation. Hang it up.

Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?

2009-08-23 Thread db
It's a new computer and the most he might have done was accidentally clicked on the iChat icon on the Dock (he says he didn't..) ... which could have launched the program. Somehow it got launched. (I think maybe iChat gets automatically launched if you access the camera or microphone).

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread b_s-wilk
So if you are using Google voice across the data plan as you describe does that essentially free you from the expensive daytime minutes restriction? Can you get a cell phone with a data plan AND WITHOUT a talk plan? Dan Yes, it's called T-Mobile's SideKick--also Blackberry, other PDAs,

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread Jeff Wright
Time for a REAL reality check. Apple has rejected many apps that it later accepted. They're not lying. They're being cautious. Apple developers prefer to delay a questionable app until it will work nicely with other apps and the OS. Google Voice does neither. They'll work it out like they've

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread Mike
So you know google is lying...how do you know that? Sent from my iPod On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:06 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Time for a REAL reality check. Apple has rejected many apps that it later accepted. They're not lying. They're being cautious. Apple developers prefer to

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 23, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Mike wrote: So you know google is lying...how do you know that? The issue is not Google or Apple lying. It is you trying to insert misinformation into the account of what transpired. GV was not rejected by Apple. It was not approved. The two are not the same.

Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?

2009-08-23 Thread Jordan
db wrote: It's a new computer and the most he might have done was accidentally clicked on the iChat icon on the Dock (he says he didn't..) ... which could have launched the program. Somehow it got launched. (I think maybe iChat gets automatically launched if you access the camera or

Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?

2009-08-23 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Reid Katan wrote: What I was wondering is, basically, do Macs come with iChat/AIM accounts set up? That seems like something he would have to enable. I've had my iBook for about a year so far (bought refurbed with OSX. 4 from Geeks.com) and no one has tried to

Re: [CGUYS] iMac problem

2009-08-23 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Jordan wrote: I think I had tried that at one point last night, but in any case, it didn't start it just now when I did it. That suggests that it is probably not a hard drive problem. I don't know if I dreamed it up or read it somewhere but I just held down

[CGUYS] Logmein

2009-08-23 Thread Jordan
db or anyone else, how did the logmein work for you, and are there any other programs like that, that work for the Mac? Thanks * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

[CGUYS] REJECTED [Was: Apple Answers the FCC’s Questi ons]

2009-08-23 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 23, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Alvin Auerbach wrote: Your message cannot be distributed to the COMPUTERGUYS-L list because it exceeds the maximum message size of 225 lines. The size of your message was 350 lines. Congratulations on being the first to be so rejected. This limit has

Re: [CGUYS] Logmein

2009-08-23 Thread db
LogMeIn is easy as cake... a great tool. Web based it takes all the tech out of setting up VNC / remote desktop login etc. The Free version does most of all you want. No SFTP or printing to the controlling computer that you get with Pro. A PC controlling a Mac won't have the command key

Re: [CGUYS] REJECTED [Was: Apple Answers the FCC's Q uesti ons]

2009-08-23 Thread Eric S. Sande
Congratulations on being the first to be so rejected. Clearly I should speak longer. I thought I was too wordy by far, now that you say there's a limit I can aspire to exceeding it. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Logmein

2009-08-23 Thread Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.
I have been using LogMeIn forever- love it so much better than the alternatives. But, there is only one choice if you have the PalmPre and want to run/check out a Desktop (Mac or PC). Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.

Re: [CGUYS] Logmein

2009-08-23 Thread Tony B
I use the free version of Logmein a lot on my PCs. It's main claim to fame is it's ability to work on any system with a working browser; no fancy configurations required. db or anyone else, how did the logmein work for you, and are there any other programs like that, that work for the Mac?

Re: [CGUYS] Logmein

2009-08-23 Thread Jeff Wright
LogMeIn is easy as cake... a great tool. Web based it takes all the tech out of setting up VNC / remote desktop login etc. The Free version does most of all you want. No SFTP or printing to the controlling computer that you get with Pro. I use LogMeIn Free for supporting all of our

Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?

2009-08-23 Thread db
Does that mean that that's only way the login.oscar.aol.com account that I found on his machine could have gotten installed in iChat preferences next to the Bonjour acct? I tend to agree with your experience but in this case my uncle can't type, has trouble clicking on the right button

Re: [CGUYS] Logmein

2009-08-23 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 23, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Jordan wrote: db or anyone else, how did the logmein work for you, and are there any other programs like that, that work for the Mac? Screen sharing is part of OS X.5 (Leopard). Works over the local network or with a VPN or MobileMe.

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread mike
So again, you are saying the FCC is involved for zero reason? On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 23, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Mike wrote: So you know google is lying...how do you know that? The issue is not Google or Apple lying. It is you trying to insert

Re: [CGUYS] Logmein

2009-08-23 Thread Tony B
Windows comes with Remote Assistance. But it requires someone at the other end to answer. And port forwarding I think. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 4:10 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 23, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Jordan wrote: db or anyone else, how did the logmein work for you, and are there

Re: [CGUYS] Mysterious iChat / AIM messages transcripts appearing on iMac desktop ?

2009-08-23 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 1:07 PM -0700 8/23/09, db wrote: [snip] Can I chase down oscar.aol.com on my own by other means to see if it is someone he knows? The oscar is not a person's name; it is the name of the normal, everyday AIM server. It was set up automatically. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread b_s-wilk
Time for a REAL reality check. Apple has rejected many apps that it later accepted. They're not lying. They're being cautious. Apple developers prefer to delay a questionable app until it will work nicely with other apps and the OS. Google Voice does neither. They'll work it out like they've

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread mike
And yet still things leak. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:18 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I still have a cousin who works for Apple as an engineer. They're as secretive about their projects as the NSA. * ** List

[CGUYS] Asking for prepaid cell phone recommendation

2009-08-23 Thread Robert Carroll
So far I have resisted getting a cell phone for myself. Wife daughters insist on having one, so that I am paying about $150/month for same. Don't want to add on to my plan since it requires another 2-year contract, plus wifey will be constantly calling me for help, for chitchat, and for no

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread Eric S. Sande
They're as secretive about their projects as the NSA. How do you know? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] Logmein

2009-08-23 Thread Jordan
db wrote: LogMeIn is easy as cake... a great tool. Web based it takes all the tech out of setting up VNC / remote desktop login etc. The Free version does most of all you want. No SFTP or printing to the controlling computer that you get with Pro. A PC controlling a Mac won't have the

Re: [CGUYS] Asking for prepaid cell phone recommendation

2009-08-23 Thread Eric S. Sande
Since you asked I'll give you my take on it. Get the cheapest possible cell phone with a pay as you go plan. Even then you won't use it. It will be another inconveniece in your life. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] iMac problem

2009-08-23 Thread Jordan
OK, thanks for the confirmation! I've been kind of busy since this morning and was afraid to shut it down or let it go to sleep. TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 23, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Jordan wrote: I think I had tried that at one point last night, but in any case, it didn't start it just now when I

Re: [CGUYS] Asking for prepaid cell phone recommendation

2009-08-23 Thread Art Clemons
So far I have resisted getting a cell phone for myself. Wife daughters insist on having one, so that I am paying about $150/month for same. Don't want to add on to my plan since it requires another 2-year contract, plus wifey will be constantly calling me for help, for chitchat, and for

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread Wayne Dernoncourt
TPiwowar On Aug 23, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Mike wrote: So you know google is lying...how do you know that? The issue is not Google or Apple lying. It is you trying to insert misinformation into the account of what transpired. GV was not rejected by Apple. It was not approved. The two are not

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread Jeff Wright
I have at least as much experience with Apple products as your so-called tech site. There are NO real inside connections with Apple, except where Apple allows. As soon as there are leaks, the leaker[s] is/are fired. Industrial espionage is serious business. I still have a cousin who works for

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread mike
The MFB set seems to completely ignore this would have never made any news or into the FCC's radar pattern if Apple had actually not rejected the app. There is no story, no reason to inquire. On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: I have at least as much

Re: [CGUYS] Asking for prepaid cell phone recommendation

2009-08-23 Thread Sue Cubic
At 05:57 PM 8/23/2009 -0400, you wrote: So far I have resisted getting a cell phone for myself. Wife daughters insist on having one, so that I am paying about $150/month for same. Don't want to add on to my plan since it requires another 2-year contract, plus wifey will be constantly

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread b_s-wilk
And yet still things leak. The leakers have been fired. One of the things that Apple does is to spread a lot of false rumors. When one of those rumors gets out, they know exactly who is responsible and fire them. There's a huge difference between leaks and rumors. The leak about the large

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread Eric S. Sande
One of the things that Apple does is to spread a lot of false rumors. Deliberately? I'd question the ethics of a company that did this. I will say rhat any company can have proprietary information. But that isn't the issue. I'll TELL you what I'm doing and planning, I have to. Any

Re: [CGUYS] Logmein

2009-08-23 Thread db
Don't study ... just try it out. It will take 5 mins to set up and a few more to get used to it. Just set up an account at LogMeIn and download the software from there and install it on the two machines and then log on. db Jordan wrote: db wrote: LogMeIn is easy as cake... a great tool.

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread b_s-wilk
Eric S. Sande escribió: They're as secretive about their projects as the NSA. How do you know? Friends at both NSA and Apple. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] WSJ.com | Why ATT Killed Google Voice

2009-08-23 Thread b_s-wilk
One of the things that Apple does is to spread a lot of false rumors. Deliberately? I'd question the ethics of a company that did this. Internally only. Plenty of other companies do the same including ones where I've worked. When a company has a unique product or a special formula,