Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread mike
No, not 'we', I was just talking to you. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 3:44 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 25, 2009, at 3:42 PM, mike wrote: MS has not because no that they are running 64bit or 32bit. Got it. Official M$ line is that 64-bit is useless, something that no one would

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread Chris Dunford
The OS loads either the 32 or 64-bit kernel at startup. Default is 32. At some point the default will be 64. This doesn't paint customers into a corner. Yes very nice -- typical Apple engineering. No matter how you slice and dice it, the fact remains that Vista and Win7 are fully 64-bit out

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Not sure why you're flailing on this. Mac OS 10.6, Snow Leopard, can be set to load 64-bit, every time, if desired, or left to the default, to load the 32-bit kernel. Windows users must install one or the other. This is not a huge difference. Why split hairs? I like Apple's approach; if I need

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread Chris Dunford
Mark, where exactly did I slam $now Leopard? I don't have any problem with either approach. I just think it's amusing that TP manages to find that defaulting to a 32-bit kernel in a 64-bit OS is superior engineering. If MS did that, he'd be dripping with contempt and sarcasm, and saying Why am

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Okay, Chris, I guess I am getting miffed at the cross-jabs on this one. Seems to be lame attempts at petty one-ups. I think his small point was OS X does not need to be re-installed to go between 32- and 64-bit. A small thing, but a better design. M$ often charges for these differences. I'm

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread mike
As I said before 99% of windows or mac users don't know and/or don't care about 32 vs 64 bit. I'd wager most mac users if confronted with the choice of the two won't know which to choose or why to choose which one. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Ah, but most of us on this list know the issues (or know who to ask). This is/was a discussion of a design issue, not the merits of 32-bit vs. 64-bit. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- As I said before 99% of windows or mac users don't know and/or don't care about 32 vs 64 bit.

Re: [CGUYS] A Lifeline to Frustrated PC Users

2009-08-26 Thread b_s-wilk
I mean, if someone buys a Mac and runs their PC on it, are they a Windows user or a Mac user? YES! We can do both. We are 'ambidextrous'. We have Macs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

[CGUYS] Thunderbird Word Wrap Broken

2009-08-26 Thread Richard P.
I've just noticed that when I forward some messages in Thunderbird (version 2.0.0.23 ), that the word-wrap is broken and there's no way to get it rewrap. Anyone else notice this and is there a way to get it to word-wrap all the time. The problem emails are ones that are automatically forwarded to

Re: [CGUYS] A Lifeline to Frustrated PC Users

2009-08-26 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I think the actual term is BI Or acey ducey. :-) Stewart At 11:18 AM 8/26/2009, you wrote: I mean, if someone buys a Mac and runs their PC on it, are they a Windows user or a Mac user? YES! We can do both. We are 'ambidextrous'. We have Macs.

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread mike
But the mac design issue leads into a normal user having to choose 32 or 64 unless I read wrong? On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Ah, but most of us on this list know the issues (or know who to ask). This is/was a discussion of a design

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Mike, you already asserted that the average user would not know which to pick or how to tell which was running, so how is this now an issue for normal users? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- But the mac design issue leads into a normal user having to choose 32 or 64 unless I

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread Mark A. Metz
I'm not flailing here. I just don't understand and I'm not afraid to ask apparently ignorant questions. Keep in mind that I'm an experienced computer user, not a tech., so I don't quite understand the whole kernel level aspects of the discussed feature set. I have a Vista 64 machine that

Re: [CGUYS] A Lifeline to Frustrated PC Users

2009-08-26 Thread chad evans wyatt
Thanks to both Betty and Mark for cool and dispassionate logic. --- On Wed, 8/26/09, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: Re: [CGUYS] A Lifeline to Frustrated PC Users To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 12:18 PM I mean,

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
The most common issue is with drivers and other system functions. Most updating or replacing an operating system (not a server) just need to find out if their applications run okay in the new OS. For most, this is a handful of commercial applications, so is a short process. Those with

Re: [CGUYS] Thunderbird Word Wrap Broken

2009-08-26 Thread db
Thunderbird has a Options/ Composition word wrap setting for Plain text (72 characters is what I put there) but for HTML I don't see any options except the manual Edit/ rewrap command for a particular email... db b_s-wilk wrote: I've just noticed that when I forward some messages in

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox 3.5.2

2009-08-26 Thread JOHNMENOCA
Mine seems to work fine! In a message dated 8/26/2009 4:41:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, el...@goodshiptabasco.com writes: Is anyone else finding this latest update of Firefox to be more similar to a demolition derby than a browser. It's crashing every time it's opened on my machines.

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread Tony B
The 4gb memory limit is just a Windows licensing issue though. Unless Mac OS also has such licensing issues, this shouldn't be as big an advantage. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: A large advantage of 64-bit is getting past the 4B address limit.

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox 3.5.2

2009-08-26 Thread Tony B
Been fine for me on several machines. Try deleting everything? Cache, cookies, profiles? On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:49 PM, johnmen...@aol.com wrote: Mine seems to work fine! In a message dated 8/26/2009 4:41:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, el...@goodshiptabasco.com writes: Is  anyone else

Re: [CGUYS] Thunderbird Word Wrap Broken

2009-08-26 Thread b_s-wilk
That's yet another reason to send email as plain text and avoid HTML email like the plague. Thunderbird has a Options/ Composition word wrap setting for Plain text (72 characters is what I put there) but for HTML I don't see any options except the manual Edit/ rewrap command for a particular

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Explain what you mean by a licensing issue? Stewart At 04:18 PM 8/26/2009, you wrote: The 4gb memory limit is just a Windows licensing issue though. Unless Mac OS also has such licensing issues, this shouldn't be as big an advantage. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread Tony B
The 32 bit Windows versions have always limited people to addressing 4gb of memory. Not so with e.g. 32 bit Windows Server 2008, which I think comes with as much as like 80gb ram. In fact, I asked about this on the list a while back. How can I ensure that PAE is turned on so I know my WinXP is

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox 3.5.2

2009-08-26 Thread Ed Y
I had a similar issue after I upgraded where I got an error message stating that Firefox was already open, and I needed to close before I could open a new browser. Booted in safe mode and still had the issue. I ended having to uninstall (delete files option), delete the registry keys under

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Tony B wrote: The 4gb memory limit is just a Windows licensing issue though. Unless Mac OS also has such licensing issues, this shouldn't be as big an advantage. Right. The 32-bits specified is the size of a virtual memory address. Physical memory can actually be larger,

Re: [CGUYS] Sudden Mac OS X V4 Inefficiency

2009-08-26 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 25, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Arnold Kee wrote: Are there gremlins out to get me? Yes! all of a sudden, it now acts really slowly and fails to connect with my wireless network consistently Have you cleared the browser's cache files? A corrupt cache happens suddenly and will slow things

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:55 PM, Tony B wrote: In fact, I asked about this on the list a while back. How can I ensure that PAE is turned on so I know my WinXP is using all 6gb of my ram. It was only much later I discovered the consumer versions of Windows don't include PAE, and so are limited to 4gb

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:49 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: And Windows has been 64-bit for several years now. The problem has been in driver support and app compatibility, no surprise there. Precisely. Apple knows that some drivers won't work right with the 64 kernel, but it doesn't know if you have

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Mark A. Metz wrote: I have a Vista 64 machine that runs Photoshop CS4 at 64 bit. It runs Photoshop 7 at 32 bit. It even runs older apps at 16 bit, I think. So even though the OS is 64 bit, and I realize that means I can run 64 bit apps., it doesn't limit my

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox 3.5.2

2009-08-26 Thread b_s-wilk
I had a similar issue after I upgraded where I got an error message stating that Firefox was already open, and I needed to close before I could open a new browser. Booted in safe mode and still had the issue. I ended having to uninstall (delete files option), delete the registry keys under

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:30 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) wrote: Not sure why you're flailing on this. Mac OS 10.6, Snow Leopard, can be set to load 64-bit, every time, if desired, or left to the default, to load the 32-bit kernel. Windows users must install one or the other. This is not a huge

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread Jeff Wright
Sure is a huge difference. Reinstalling Windows is not quick and will probably mess up many installed apps. Not something that is done lightly. Definitely not something you would want to switch back and forth. You can dual boot with 32-bit and 64-bit versions. I know people who do it now.

Re: [CGUYS] Mac Transition to 64-Bit

2009-08-26 Thread t.piwowar
On Aug 26, 2009, at 10:41 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: You can dual boot with 32-bit and 64-bit versions. I know people who do it now. Now you are being silly just to prove a point. Most people do not dual boot and may who try find themselves in a world of pain.

Re: [CGUYS] Firefox 3.5.2

2009-08-26 Thread Paula Minor
Is anyone else finding this latest update of Firefox to be more similar to a demolition derby than a browser. It's crashing every time it's opened on my machines. Vista Home and XP machines. My son said he's been having a lot of problems since upgrading it on his pc and his search of