Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:10 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:41 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: It may seem counterintuitive, but the reason you have home owner's insurance is to benefit the mortgage carriers, not you; your car insurance is to keep others' insurance from going

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Miles
We ain't govmuent then whats be we? I don't work in a labor camp. I'm not forced into an army. Hell I'm not even made to feed the chickens. Damn, how did this govment I'm not a part of get so out of control? By the way, next time you feel we aren't all the government, lets see what

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Miles
And that's why you're against health care reform and/or the public option, you have the blinders on? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:41 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: If you encounter someone

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Miles
Yes and no. Why are the both on the stock exchange as two separate entities? But that's not what I really asked. What the hell came of creating the database/intranet of health care? Who was against it? What happened to the waste cutting? Where did it go? The company still exists, so.?

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Miles
You obviously don't pay any attention. Flying 20 years ago was as affordable as it is today. You only get less for your $ today. I search flight prices on a weekly, if not daily schedule. Prices go up and down depending on when you search. But they haven't changed much in the last 20

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Miles
Where are you getting this nonsense? What part of option won't flow through your head? I'd recommend using a hammer, but then you'd have to use your insurance. That is if you have insurance. Option means optional. Wham, wham, wham. Bang your head against the wall a few more times and it

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Miles
Ok, how about socialized health care if we call it the Republican Healthcare Initiative? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 8, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: I find it funny that when

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Wright
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Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Wright
Where are you getting this nonsense? What part of option won't flow through your head? I'd recommend using a hammer, but then you'd have to use your insurance. That is if you have insurance. Option means optional. Wham, wham, wham. Bang your head against the wall a few more times

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jordan
t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 6, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: That food, which uses a mixed but largely free market system, is so cheap and plentiful that even the poor can easily afford it, is lost on the socialized medicine proponents. Did you see the Time cover story about cheap food?

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
One side of it is that Doctors did not need to purchase it and did not. Professionals are notorious (I mean Doctors etc.) in keeping up with the latest technology. With all the doctors I get to see with my wife We have only seen one clinic (Othopods) who used tablets and kept all their

[CGUYS] Keyboard problem

2009-09-09 Thread Jordan
The nice Apple keyboard that I use on the iMac has a problem. The cde and 3 keys have stopped working. Is there anything I can tinker with that might fix this? It's a couple years old, but does anyone think Apple will do anything for me on this? Thanks

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
IT IS NEITHER! It is called universal or one payer healthcare. Nothing socialistic about it. Stewart At 01:42 AM 9/9/2009, you wrote: Ok, how about socialized health care if we call it the Republican Healthcare Initiative? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Wright
IT IS NEITHER! It is called universal or one payer healthcare. Nothing socialistic about it. Then that word does not mean what you think it means. I'm out of this discussion at this point. It has devolved into the usual partisan nonsense. If leftists have any sense, they'll read and

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread b_s-wilk
As one with family from Cuba and some friends remaining, I can assure you that Jeff W. has no idea about Cuba, considering his comments. It's their health care insurance system and outcomes that are better than ours, not the high tech gadgets and expensive doctors. The Cuban government,

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread b_s-wilk
Actually, you will find the banks that survived were the ones who were more diversified in their holdings. The one that went tits up were the old investment houses that only recently started banking businesses. And why does the federal government have Medicaid administered by the states? You

Re: [CGUYS] Do Typographers Despise M$?

2009-09-09 Thread b_s-wilk
On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:16 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Futura is more attractive than Verdana. The real problem here is that IKEA switched to a M$ font. M$ a company that is not renown for really good design. Actually Verdana is one of two fonts that M$ had designed by Mathew Carter, who is

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread b_s-wilk
There's no free market. Never has been. Get over it. Deal with the economy as it exists, not in some utopian, fear-inspired fantasy. Good health, quality education, a stable economy with manufacturing, and a clean environment are as important to our security as diplomacy and our military.

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The problem in some areas is that they think people look act and think monolithic or homogeneous. I am not one who could really be called a liberal (Well if compared to a John Bircher maybe) I do not vote straight party tickets and normally do not vote Democratic (I vote based on Candidate)

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:33 PM, b_s-wilkb1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: You have the corporate talking points well-memorized. Medicare has an overhead of 2-4%. For-profit companies have overhead of 15-30% or more with the top crooks being paid huge salaries/bonuses with the money made from not

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread b_s-wilk
One side of it is that Doctors did not need to purchase it and did not. Professionals are notorious (I mean Doctors etc.) in keeping up with the latest technology. With all the doctors I get to see with my wife We have only seen one clinic (Othopods) who used tablets and kept all their

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Good for her. I applaud professionals like that and if I were close I would use her. Stewart At 12:23 PM 9/9/2009, you wrote: My country doctor runs her practice like a clinic. When I first started going there many years ago, she charged $5 for those without insurance. I think it's $35 or

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
When I worked for the Vet Company as hardware support, we were often chided for what we charged for support and equipment by those who had no support contracts. It was explained to us this way. You are giving them a service., They have no compunction charging you for a service when you go

Re: [CGUYS] Thunderbird Word Wrap Broken

2009-09-09 Thread Richard P.
This works great, thanks Betty. Richard P. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:21 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I've just noticed that when I forward some messages in Thunderbird (version 2.0.0.23 ), that the word-wrap is broken and there's no way to get it rewrap. Anyone else notice this and

Re: [CGUYS] Keyboard problem

2009-09-09 Thread chrper...@aol.com
I don't know if Apple will help you with this, but there's plenty you can try yourself. You can pry off the keys pretty easily and see how much dirt / hair / smutz / is under each of them. Use something gentle to pry with. The keys should simply lift off easily, and then press back on. Not

[CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread db
Gmail won't let you email a message to yourself for reasons of testing or forwarding / transferring from the webmail to a computer running a client that receives Gmail etc. Apparently it decides you already have that email so doesn't send it. Is there any way to defeat that ... turn that

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread Bill
Well, I may not understand your problem, but I just sent an email from my gmail account to my gmail account and it came through with no problem. I frequently do this for web links/info that I want to be available on different computers. I also have a group that I email to from my gmail account

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread Tony B
Pretty tricky, eh? For testing, I use a different account e.g. Yahoogmail works fine. Not something that has to be done often, fortunately. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:38 PM, dbdb...@att.net wrote: Gmail won't let you email a message to yourself for reasons of testing or forwarding / transferring

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread Bill
So, you can't send gmail to gmail with the same account? I have no trouble doing that. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Pretty tricky, eh? For testing, I use a different account e.g. Yahoogmail works fine. Not something that has to be done often, fortunately.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Miles
That would be nice, but far from a requirement. We buy goods and services because we want them. How many things do you own that actually make you money? And be honest here. Do most things you own supply you with a check at the end of the month you can take to the bank? I realize anything

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Miles
I'm an ignorant ass because I don't agree with you and don't see why you keep refusing to understand the word option? If that's the case I guess I'm an ignorant ass most of the time. It's worked for me for 47 years, why quit now? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Miles
Now here I totally agree with you. But we, the government, is mostly the problem. We make new laws on knee jerk reactions. We rarely take old laws off the books. Corporations constantly want more and more for their work force $, and we seem to feel it's our responsibility to give it to

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread db
No I can't I can send it but I think what it does is it doesn't bother to send it externally or whatever so my external non-web based client can't poll for it and pick it up. What the problem is exactly is if I pick up my email from my PDA client email (SnapperMail) ... which is set to not

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Miles
So we have things in place that could lower all our costs but we aren't using them. To me this sounds like a very good reason for government/us to get involved. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 9,

Re: [CGUYS] Keyboard problem

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Miles
Have you tried popping off the keys to see what the problem might be? In the past I've found that keyboard malfunctions have been physical problems and not computer/circuit board problems. Notice the pattern? Did you spill something on your computer? I haven't checked recently, and don't

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread Richard P.
The same for me. If I start a C-Guys email, it won't show up until someone replies to the message. Makes me doubt whether it ever went out... It would be nice to be able to get rid of this feature Richard P. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:38 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Gmail won't let you email a

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread mike
I heard someone saying on the radio or television, I don't recall where, that we should require when any new law goes on the books they should have to remove one also. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: Now here I totally agree with you. But we, the

[CGUYS] first guinea pig?

2009-09-09 Thread mike
iTunes 9? Anyone? Anyone? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ **

Re: [CGUYS] first guinea pig?

2009-09-09 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:09 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: iTunes 9? Anyone? Anyone? It wasn't offered when I checked for updates. Snow Leopard is running fine jumped from Tiger. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o)

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:44 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: No I can't I can send it but I think what it does is it doesn't bother to send it externally or whatever so my external non-web based client can't poll for it and pick it up. What the problem is exactly is if I pick up my email from my

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread Tony B
This feature was bought home for me when I noticed a problem with mail being forwarded from a webhost. It's been over a year so I don't remember the details. But I kept sending myself emails and they wouldn't show up. Tech support would log in and said they showed up fine for them. Eventually I

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread db
What exactly is the feature? How does it work? Maybe if we understood that we could find a solution... It seems to recognize its own user's email and alter its behavior. Thinks its helping you but its not... db Richard P. wrote: The same for me. If I start a C-Guys email, it won't show up

Re: [CGUYS] Keyboard problem

2009-09-09 Thread Jordan
This is the thin, low profile, full width, aluminum, $50 keyboard, which I love. The keys that failed are all in a row and failed the same day, suggesting to me that the failure is electronic rather than a physical problem with individual keys. There has not been any foreign material near this

Re: [CGUYS] Back to dial up

2009-09-09 Thread Eric S. Sande
Did they do a line test? Allegedly. But as I was all ready aware, the problem wasn't with the line per se. I had clean dial tone and could establish a dial up connection at 48-50 kbps, meaning that the line wasn't compromised. I all ready knew it wasn't the router, since I have a second

Re: [CGUYS] first guinea pig?

2009-09-09 Thread mike
It's downloadable from the site...no takers? On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:18 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:09 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: iTunes 9? Anyone? Anyone? It wasn't offered when I checked for updates. Snow Leopard is running

Re: [CGUYS] Keyboard problem

2009-09-09 Thread Michael S. Altus
How To Clean Your Computer Keyboard www.helpwithpcs.com/maintenance/cleaning-keyboard.htm Also, a simple Google search (keyboard dishwasher) confirms, to my surprise, that cleaning a keyboard in a dishwasher can actually be done, but drying time could take a week. Michael Michael S. Altus,

[CGUYS] drobo - back up and storage

2009-09-09 Thread Business Her Way
Are any of you using any of these storage/back up units? And if yes, how is it working for you? http://www.drobo.com/ /gayley * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread katan
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:57:52 -0400, Jeff Wright wrote: I'm out of this discussion at this point. It has devolved into the usual partisan nonsense. Sa-weet! Anybody else care to drop it so's we can get more on topic, like Steve Job's health? Oh wait . . . -- R:\katan

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread db
POP Gmail accounts in Tbird But it's on the Gmail server that the phenomenon is happening. my forwarded gmails never get sent to Tbird from Gmail because as far as the server is concerned it is sending to itself and it decides that makes no sense and doesn't bother or something...

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Did you ever read on how he got his transplant? It is an interesting story and shows you the disparity we have at present in the Medical Insurance system. Stewart At 06:27 PM 9/9/2009, you wrote: Sa-weet! Anybody else care to drop it so's we can get more on topic, like Steve Job's health?

Re: [CGUYS] drobo - back up and storage

2009-09-09 Thread Tony B
We often have discussions about them on my professional video editing lists. Some people love them. Most can do without them. It's definitely overkill for the average home user. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Business Her Wayg...@mothergeek.com wrote: Are any of you using any of these

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Miles
Exactly. Insurance companies are nothing but a bunch of crooks. And while some people want to defend these crooks when they have no vested interest is totally beyond me. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread mike
Government is nothing but a bunch of crooks. And while some people want to defend these crooks when they do have a vested interest is totally beyond me. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: Exactly. Insurance companies are nothing but a bunch of crooks.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-09 Thread katan
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:35:59 -0500, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Did you ever read on how he got his transplant? It is an interesting story and shows you the disparity we have at present in the Medical Insurance system. At 06:27 PM 9/9/2009, you wrote: Sa-weet! Anybody else care to drop it

Re: [CGUYS] drobo - back up and storage

2009-09-09 Thread mike
There is a free software package that you can place on your own pc to build your own drobo, it also uses any size disks. Here is the problem...I can't recall the name. It's not freenas or opennas. Any help? On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: We often have

Re: [CGUYS] first guinea pig?

2009-09-09 Thread MrMike6by9
Date:    Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:09:54 -0700 From:    mike xha...@gmail.com Subject: first guinea pig? iTunes 9?  Anyone?  Anyone? I've installed it but haven't really done anything with it yet except to update a single iPhone app. Yesterday, I did an in-place upgrade from 10.4.11 to 10.6 using

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread MrMike6by9
From:    Richard P. richs...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Gmail question... The same for me. If I start a C-Guys email, it won't show up until someone replies to the message. Makes me doubt whether it ever went out... It would be nice to be able to get rid of this feature Richard P. On Wed,

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:30 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: POP Gmail accounts in Tbird But it's on the Gmail server that the phenomenon is happening. my forwarded gmails never get sent to Tbird from Gmail because as far as the server is concerned it is sending to itself and it decides that

Re: [CGUYS] first guinea pig?

2009-09-09 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
Loaded the PC version and it looks good. The Home Sharing looks like the best new feature- lets you share iTunes songs among the machines on the network. Still slow on my old PC but it is a six year old. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:36 PM, MrMike6by9 mrmike6...@gmail.com wrote: Date:Wed, 9

Re: [CGUYS] first guinea pig?

2009-09-09 Thread katan
On Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:09:54 -0700, Mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: iTunes 9? Anyone? Anyone? You inspired me. I just downloaded and installed it. Not exactly a power user, but no real problems. I didn't even have to restart my computer. :-0 The Browser has a few more options. You can leave it

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:59 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Government is nothing but a bunch of crooks. And while some people want to defend these crooks when they do have a vested interest is totally beyond me. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] first guinea pig?

2009-09-09 Thread mike
I'm not sure I get this feature, I already see songs on other computers with itunes and can play them. What about home sharing is different? On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:37 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: Loaded the PC version and it looks good. The Home Sharing looks like the

Re: [CGUYS] Keyboard problem

2009-09-09 Thread b_s-wilk
Have you tried popping off the keys to see what the problem might be? In the past I've found that keyboard malfunctions have been physical problems and not computer/circuit board problems. Notice the pattern? Did you spill something on your computer? Both the white and the black Apple

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread Steve at Verizon
John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:59 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Government is nothing but a bunch of crooks. And while some people want to defend these crooks when they do have a vested interest is totally beyond me. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jeff Miles

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote:        Exactly. Insurance companies are nothing but a bunch of crooks. And while some people want to defend these crooks when they have no vested interest is totally beyond me. Of course, an awful lot of those opposed to

Re: [CGUYS] drobo - back up and storage

2009-09-09 Thread Tony B
I doubt if it's either, only because a NAS means network attached storage. But who knows. NAS may still be overkill for average home users. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:23 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: There is a free software package that you can place on your own pc to build your own drobo, it

Re: [CGUYS] Back to dial up

2009-09-09 Thread b_s-wilk
Did they do a line test? Allegedly. But as I was all ready aware, the problem wasn't with the line per se. I had clean dial tone and could establish a dial up connection at 48-50 kbps, meaning that the line wasn't compromised. I all ready knew it wasn't the router, since I have a second

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread Steve at Verizon
So you are in favor of nationalizing, not just the health insurance companies, but also life insurance and automobile insurance? Your logic would apply to them as well. Or if not nationalize, make them provide the same coverage to everybody for the same cost. For life insurance you should pay

Re: [CGUYS] Back to dial up

2009-09-09 Thread Eric S. Sande
I've had excellent results with local--more or less--Verizon CSRs. They've been very helpful and generous with credits and offers. It pays to be persistent, as my friend was. I expect no less. Hence my surprise. My customers would not be happy with outsourced tech support, in fact they'd

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread Paula Minor
Now that you are all talking about this, I realized I've had problems with it too. I can send an email from my gmail acct to my gmail account all from Apple Mail with no problem. But if I send that message out and happen to check my mail on my laptop instead of the desk computer, I can

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-09 Thread db
Yes... there is something going on... intentionally by design I think. And it keeps me from doing things I occasionally want to / need to do. If I knew what it was... that might be the first part of a fix/ workaround. db Paula Minor wrote: Now that you are all talking about this, I realized