Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
Once again, you and I are the government, so are you confessing? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 9, 2009, at 4:59 PM, mike wrote: Government is nothing but a bunch of crooks. And while some

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
Yeah, you pretty much got it. If we are going to allow you to legally run a protection racket we are going to bring it into reality when it comes to profit. If this is beyond understanding let me put it another way. Any future kids you have you have to pay insurance for in case they might

Re: [CGUYS] Back to dial up

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
This all leads me to a question. My mother bought into the ATT plan with the little USB thing. She could get wireless internet like a cell phone. She went to Mexico recently (was basically just over the border) and was cut off from ATT because of the charges she'd incurred. She used the

Re: [CGUYS] Keyboard problem

2009-09-10 Thread Jordan
This is the thin, low profile, full width, aluminum, $50 keyboard, which I love. I cover it when I'm not using it, nothing was spilled on it and the keys that failed are all in a row and failed the same day. Doesn't that suggest that the failure is electronic rather than a physical problem

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-10 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Steve at Verizonstevet...@verizon.net wrote: So you are in favor of nationalizing, not just the health insurance companies, but also life insurance and automobile insurance? Your logic would apply to them as well. What logic are you ascribing to me? All I

Re: [CGUYS] first guinea pig?

2009-09-10 Thread Tourbus Rider Stuart Carlow
I too installed it (on a PC) last night, and now it doesn't recognize my iPod touch.? What's supposed to happen is that when I connect the Touch to the PC, iTunes is supposed to start up and sync the two.? It used to work with 8.0.? Will be contacting tech support when they open their desk at

[CGUYS] US broadband: could be worse

2009-09-10 Thread Chris Dunford
We shouldn't complain about U.S. broadband. Check this article about broadband in South Africa. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1212214/Company-enlists-Winston-homing-pigeon-carry-data-transfer--faster-broadband.html Or: http://tinyurl.com/nszden It's not mentioned in the

Re: [CGUYS] US broadband: could be worse

2009-09-10 Thread Tony B
This might actually work for us too, since video files are still too large to transfer via the internet. I wonder how many 3.5 drives a pigeon could carry? Or, how many pigeons would we need to reliably transfer say, 1tb of data via flash drives. I imagine some would get lost/killed, so there

Re: [CGUYS] US broadband: could be worse

2009-09-10 Thread chad evans wyatt
1tb is the province of pedicabs, very reliable. --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] US broadband: could be worse To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:47 AM This might actually work for us

Re: [CGUYS] US broadband: could be worse

2009-09-10 Thread Chris Dunford
-Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Tony B Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:47 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] US broadband: could be worse This might actually work for us

Re: [CGUYS] US broadband: could be worse

2009-09-10 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Then it would be a flock? So you flock the stuff? Stewart At 11:59 AM 9/10/2009, you wrote: Yes, that's true. You'd need a RAIB (a Redundant Array of Independent Birds). Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82

Re: [CGUYS] Keyboard problem

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
In that case I'd say yes. It's probably an electronic failure. Is it still under warrantee? After this discussion of keyboards I got to looking and thinking. I hate the flat keys Apple is now using. I prefer the indented type. No pun intended. But the touch and feel lets me know where my

Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS [and the moon]

2009-09-10 Thread Constance Warner
One postscript on the GPS issue: don't get too used to relying on your GPS unit. The satellites on which GPS depends are aging and will need replacement very soon. No money has been appropriated for any replacement satellites, and you can't send the space shuttle up to fix them. So,

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
And here's a bit of personal observation. When someone does something wrong and are called on it they sit quiet. When they think they've done nothing wrong they tend to get up and shout and argue. So for me at least, I guess that tells you what I think about those during the speech who

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-10 Thread Jennifer Hiebert
I may misunderstand you, but are you looking for the Gmail recent mode? See http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=47948 --Using POP on multiple clients or mobile devices Jennifer Hiebert On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:42 AM, db wrote: Yes... there is something going on...

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Allen Firstenberg
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: You might also remind your senators and your congressman that China and--surprisingly--India both have space programs and, among other goals, are aiming for the moon. I don't necessarily want the U.S. to do a land

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Chris Dunford
Huh? I thought NASA's moon program is, unfortunately, still alive and sorta on schedule. We're abandoning our plans for a space station after our commitments are done and putting all our eggs into Ares/Orion. As of this moment, it still is alive. However, a White House panel of experts has

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Tony B
Yes, but sending a robot out has nowhere near the PR potential as a live person. And it's been done already. Besides, as a species, we can't actually say we walked there unless one of our feet hits the dirt. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Huh?  I thought

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Chris Dunford
Yes, but sending a robot out has nowhere near the PR potential as a live person. And it's been done already. Besides, as a species, we can't actually say we walked there unless one of our feet hits the dirt. So, like I said, no real purpose. :)

Re: [CGUYS] Back to dial up

2009-09-10 Thread Richard P.
I think part of the problem is that there is an assumption that the problem is always at the customers end, and not the providers, even after going through the checklist. I had an issue with Outlook Express not running with a limited user last year. After working with Compaq's customer support

[CGUYS] The Good Enough Revolution: When Cheap and Simple Is Just Fine

2009-09-10 Thread b_s-wilk
...Oddly, though, there was no point-and-shoot analogue in video cameras...Home videocams were almost without exception expensive, complicated devices loaded with features like image stabilization, night-vision mode, and onboard color correction...even with tools like Apple's iMovie, it was a

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread b_s-wilk
Huh? I thought NASA's moon program is, unfortunately, still alive and sorta on schedule. We're abandoning our plans for a space station after our commitments are done and putting all our eggs into Ares/Orion. As of this moment, it still is alive. However, a White House panel of experts has

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
By the way, I really liked James Cameron's idea. The whole capsule being a moon car. It lands, the wheels pop out and off you go. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Allen

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
Why unfortunately? The moon is a good place to get back to. What about that helium 3? Plus they've been talking about making fuel and building things from what they mine on the moon. Not saying it's going to happen tomorrow, but still, it's in the thinking. Jeff Miles

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
I also forget to mention, a weapons platform on the moon wouldn't provide for much of a surprise attack. FIRE! And then 3 days later I hate hearing this idea of why are we sending people to space. Do you really think a robot could have fixed the Hubble the couple times it's needed to

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
At least no real purpose for you in the next few years. Unless of course we name a toilet after you instead of John Stewart. Then you'd probably want to go visit that. I can't imagine where we'd be today if everyone thought like this back in the 1400's. Who needs a new world or another

Re: [CGUYS] Gmail question...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:26 PM, MrMike6by9 wrote: I guess I don't get it. I sent a msg to myself and it immediately appeared in my inbox with the from as me. And, of course, I have an outbound copy of that msg in my sent folder. Have you read through the email headers to see how it was routed?

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Chris Dunford
Do you really think a robot could have fixed the Hubble the couple times it's needed to be fixed? I really doubt it. We could have replaced Hubble for far less than we've spent on the shuttle program. Do you really think we could gather the information needed on how space effects humans

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 10 Sep 2009 - Special issue (#2009-870)

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Morris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnc0CeUT-Lc There is an old saying, and judging by the posts on here it is 100% accurate: You can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into. Too many people are partisan without ever really thinking about things. What I am looking

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Chris Dunford
I can't imagine where we'd be today if everyone thought like this back in the 1400's. Who needs a new world or another route to Asia? There isn't even a remote comparison between exploring Earth and sending a few people to the moon, sorry.

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
There's a direct comparison. What part of moving on don't you understand? I've already mentioned helium 3, which I've heard could power the us for hundreds of years at less then the cost of what we spend on oil today. What other motivation do you need? I mean besides human growth and

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
Do you mean the couple of flights by the space shuttle to repair Hubble, or the entire program? We have had around 160+ space shuttle flights. We know pretty much everything we need to know? Why didn't we stop with Aristotle? Hell, we knew everything we needed to know by then. What's a

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Chris Dunford
We know pretty much everything we need to know? Why didn't we stop with Aristotle? Hell, we knew everything we needed to know by then. What's a microchip? Who knows, who cares. Oh, please. That sentence was in response to your claim that we need to learn about the effects of space on humans.

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
Well if that was your original question, no we don't. We haven't been there long enough. We know a few things, but we're not even finished learning about us on Earth. If you think we are you could open one hell of a medical center. You'd be rich. By the way, they are testing and making

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: So you are in favor of nationalizing, not just the health insurance companies, but also life insurance and automobile insurance? Your logic would apply to them as well. Or if not nationalize, make them provide the same coverage to

Re: [CGUYS] Do Typographers Despise M$?

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 12:20 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Did M$ PAY Carter for his design? They neglected to pay for some of the early fonts that they used. They hired him to design a set of fonts for screen display. After he completed two M$ got a case of the cheaps and sent him packing. M$ staff

Re: [CGUYS] drobo - back up and storage

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:11 PM, Business Her Way wrote: Are any of you using any of these storage/back up units? And if yes, how is it working for you? You did not state the application, but for 99 out of 100 it is trouble. Almost nobody benefits from a RAID and a non-expert user can

Re: [CGUYS] Back to dial up

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 10, 2009, at 12:43 AM, Eric S. Sande wrote: If my 81 year old mother has a DSL issue, is she calling India? India does not have to be bad. One product I use, Quark XPress, used to have US support and it was famously terrible. New owners moved much of the company overseas and tech

Re: [CGUYS] Keyboard problem

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:31 AM, Jordan wrote: The nice Apple keyboard that I use on the iMac has a problem. The cde and 3 keys have stopped working. Is there anything I can tinker with that might fix this? It's a couple years old, but does anyone think Apple will do anything for me on this?

Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS [and the moon]

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Constance Warner wrote: One postscript on the GPS issue: don't get too used to relying on your GPS unit. The satellites on which GPS depends are aging and will need replacement very soon. No money has been appropriated for any replacement satellites, and you

Re: [CGUYS] Twitter vulnerable - unless you're using IE8

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 7, 2009, at 7:43 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Security researcher Brian Mastenbrook uncovered a cross-site scripting vulnerability in Ruby on Rails and quickly had injected Javascript code running in Twitter. An advisory from the Ruby developers has already been issued, along with

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: The only thing I'm not seeing here is a point. Precisely the point. You don't see much through your ideological haze and trying to provoke thought is quite impossible. *

Re: [CGUYS] Guys and GPS [and the moon]

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Constance Warner wrote: I wonder what will be the predominant language of space exploration: English, or Chinese? Chinese, definitely. The American Century ended prematurely. * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] the moon

2009-09-10 Thread b_s-wilk
Wow, when did Spirit and Opportunity learn to work on their own? I wonder if the people who get paid to drive them know this. If they are working on there own, what do you think they're thinking? There's a rock, let's flip it over. Or maybe, damn it's dusty today. Or maybe, Hey Opportunity,

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:06 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: You can't compete with the govt. Choice with the state is a bug, not a feature. This has no basis in fact. You just keep chanting that wingnut mantra. Keep your eyes shut real tight while you do.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:15 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: Nah, it's pretty much socialism when the Stupid Party does it too. Socialism is simply opposition to the untrammeled workings of the economic market. Most of the world embraces socialism. Socialism is a good and virtuous thing. Anyone who

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 2:19 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: What the hell came of creating the database/intranet of health care? Who was against it? What happened to the waste cutting? Where did it go? The company still exists, so.? People were rightly nervous over such an operation being run by M$.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 6, 2009, at 2:04 PM, mike wrote: Brilliant! Socialism is great till you run out of everyone elses money. But one doesn't. That is just a bogeyman invented by wing nuts who are bad at math. * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 7, 2009, at 4:58 PM, Marcio wrote: Hmmm I am considering this...going Gmail. But will I find all that Eudore offers? As time goes on I find that software does get smarter and better as developers understand tasks better (except for M$ Office). New software may do things

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 2:28 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: You obviously don't pay any attention. Flying 20 years ago was as affordable as it is today. Very true,except that today we have more information about fares. You only get less for your $ today. Today they can abuse their customers with

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Jordan wrote: _Oh, and by the way, these wingers who are against government involvement in health care because it's not in the constitution? I guess they are against Medicare too. Good luck with that. I recall Trent Lott lecturing us while people were dying from

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: How about if they break even? That would be a hoot. What does that mean? You could try to make sense from time to time. That would really be a hoot. Profit and break even are not useful concepts for thinking about how governments work. Any

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 12:33 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: By expanding Medicare and returning to private nonprofits instead of taking customers' premiums for shareholders, the costs of both Medicare and private health care will go down, as it has in many other countries with similar plans. Medicare

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread Steve at Verizon
If you are referring to the deregulation of the airline industry, the wingnuts who did it were Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Congress. See the 1978 Airline Deregulation Act. t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 2:28 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: You obviously don't pay any attention. Flying 20 years

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread Steve at Verizon
No one could compete with Freddy and Fanny because they had the implied (turns out real) backing of the US Treasury and they could borrow at rates lower than other financial institutions. That's how they made those gobs of money (before the fun ran out). And Franklin Raines made his 90 mil

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread Steve at Verizon
Profit, no, but break even has a certain appeal. An 11.4 Trillion National Debt represents government living wayy beyond its means. t.piwowar wrote: On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:41 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: How about if they break even? That would be a hoot. What does that mean? You could try

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: I'm an ignorant ass because I don't agree with you and don't see why you keep refusing to understand the word option? Same thing happens with these folks when the topic is computers. They simply refuse to acknowledge key facts and will argue

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 7:45 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: Every year we work longer and longer to pay the guvmint our tax burden and every year we become less free as more laws are passed that restrict our freedom just a little bit more than last year. False. What planet do you live on?

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 5:59 PM, mike wrote: I heard someone saying on the radio or television, I don't recall where, that we should require when any new law goes on the books they should have to remove one also. Probably Fox. Most of the utterly stupid commentary comes from there. Only an

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive care unit

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:23 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: As for letting the free market work for insurance companies, I'm all for that. Let's stop requiring insurance for damn near everything. Let's make it an option. Do you want to buy a house? You don't have to buy fire insurance. You want to drive

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: It is called universal or one payer healthcare. Nothing socialistic about it. Nope. It is socialism through and through. It is the right thing to do. * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive care unit

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: For you to say that the health care in Cuba is better than the United States may be the dumbest statement I have ever heard. Given the choice...you mean to tell me that you would fly to Cuba to have open heart surgery instead of having it done by

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:44 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: No one could compete with Freddy and Fanny because they had the implied (turns out real) backing of the US Treasury and they could borrow at rates lower than other financial institutions. That's how they made those gobs of money (before

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive care unit

2009-09-10 Thread C Ballinger
Hello kettle? I love that line! g cb _ On Sep 11, 2009, at 1:26, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:26 PM, Jeff Morris wrote: For you to say that the health care in Cuba is better than the United States may be the dumbest statement I have ever heard.

Re: [CGUYS] Intensive Care Unit...

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:50 AM, Steve at Verizon wrote: If you are referring to the deregulation of the airline industry, the wingnuts who did it were Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Congress. See the 1978 Airline Deregulation Act. Are we talking policy or are you starting a Jimmy Carter fan

Re: [CGUYS] Eudora

2009-09-10 Thread One Man
What's wrong with familiarity?  why should users be required to learn yet more s/w when they're already comfortable with what they're familiar?  Yes, call me a curmudgeon. --- On Thu, 9/10/09, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: From: t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora To: