Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread mike
Not sure what your point is..no one knows what size the image sensor it has, let alone as you say the quality...but you are still dismissing it? Maybe wait till we actually know the quality? I would also rather have a great quality 2mp cam then a so so 5mp cam, but as yet, it is all speculation.

Re: [CGUYS] Plain English, please...

2009-10-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
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Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread chad evans wyatt
Amen --- On Sun, 10/18/09, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: From: phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 11:46 PM On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 3:02 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:33 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is..no one knows what size the image sensor it has, let alone as you say the quality...but you are still dismissing it? Not dismissing it. I do, however, dismiss the megapixel wars as if that is the sole

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread mike
Of course, megapixel count is only one measure and in my opinion not a very important one. On Oct 19, 2009 6:41 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:33 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is..no o... Not dismissing it. I do,

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread tjpa
On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:38 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Not dismissing it. I do, however, dismiss the megapixel wars as if that is the sole criteria by which to judge the capability of cameras. The optics and CCD in a phone are going to be terrible. To make it not terrible would require a

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread mike
Are you talking about Apple or Verizon? I seem to recall Apple touting a camera in their phone...as well as one in the new ipod nanos. It's called marketing, all companies do it, some better then others, but I don't recall you blasting Apple when they touted their camera. You mentioned all the

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:40 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: The optics and CCD in a phone are going to be terrible. To make it not terrible would require a much larger phone and nobody is going to do that. Totally true. The purpose of having a camera in a phone is not to take good

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread mike
Well..we carry around little devices that carry our music that can't compete at all with larger more cumbersome devices. I don't think all ipod users are rubes just because they bought one. We carry around laptops that can't compete with desktop units, are all laptop buyers rubes? Or are they

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread tjpa
On Oct 19, 2009, at 12:13 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Ignorant rubes? Probably. However, ignorant rubes are the meat that makers of consumer gear tend to crave the most. Just look at the stats for the number of people who buy stuff from spammers. Here is a post from a totally hopeless

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread tjpa
On Oct 19, 2009, at 12:13 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Could be. But, never underestimate the propensity for the masses to make poor decisions. As I'm constantly reminded on this List. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Web Cam, Microphone recommendations

2009-10-19 Thread Richard P.
Actually, I was thinking more in line of a webcam that would attach to the monitor. Also looking for a decent mic for recording podcasts. Richard P. On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 7:55 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 18, 2009, at 6:30 PM, Richard P. wrote: Can anyone make some recommendations

Re: [CGUYS] Web Cam, Microphone recommendations

2009-10-19 Thread mike
You can check out podcasts you like and find out what they use. I'm pretty sure guys like Adam Curry keep lists of what they use online. If you not I'm sure you could email the podcasters and find out. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Richard P. richs...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I was

Re: [CGUYS] Web Cam, Microphone recommendations

2009-10-19 Thread tjpa
On Oct 19, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Richard P. wrote: Actually, I was thinking more in line of a webcam that would attach to the monitor. Also looking for a decent mic for recording podcasts. Go to Radio Shack with a $20 bill.

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread mike
Still nothing, Tom? People on the list might be buying android phones and might want to know what you do about them. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:01 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: You mentioned all the things that are missing from android, like what?

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread tjpa
On Oct 19, 2009, at 2:19 PM, mike wrote: Still nothing, Tom? People on the list might be buying android phones and might want to know what you do about them. Good luck fan boi. Buying one would be a neat trick as even the date they will go on sale has not been announced.

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Well..we carry around little devices that carry our music that can't compete at all with larger more cumbersome devices.  I don't think all ipod users are rubes just because they bought one. I think that you either misunderstood

Re: [CGUYS] Web Cam, Microphone recommendations

2009-10-19 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:55 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Go to Radio Shack with a $20 bill. This is about right. What passes for generally acceptable video or audio quality in the computer world can likely be obtained with $20 components. Being a bit facetious here, but not by much.

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread mike
Figured as much, more from Tom the judge of stuff he hasn't seen. BTW, what is your point in saying stuff you clearly can't back up? On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 19, 2009, at 2:19 PM, mike wrote: Still nothing, Tom? People on the list might be buying

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread chad evans wyatt
Steve, you are entirely right, and it is quite depressing to me how very many cameras have been sold on the basis of augmented megapixels.  The sensor is key, and its size truly determines quality of image.  Those of us who formerly were dedicated to excellence in the film era have wandered in

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread mike
Perhaps I did misunderstand. Point of fact I've never met anyone who thought a phone cam was just as good as a regular camera. The people I have met just believe that at the time, a phone cam is just fine. Same as those with laptops, just fine. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:56 AM,

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread mike
Good recommendation on the website! On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:03 PM, chad evans wyatt cewyattph...@yahoo.comwrote: Steve, you are entirely right, and it is quite depressing to me how very many cameras have been sold on the basis of augmented megapixels. The sensor is key, and its size truly

Re: [CGUYS] android takes on iphone

2009-10-19 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 3:13 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I did misunderstand. Point of fact I've never met anyone who thought a phone cam was just as good as a regular camera. The people I have met just believe that at the time, a phone cam is just fine. Same as those with

Re: [CGUYS] Linux Mint

2009-10-19 Thread Mark A. Metz
This message seemed to have been eaten by Thunderbird on my MBP so I'll try again. Thanks for the info. on another distro to try. My hacker machines are an eMachines M6805 and a Powerbook G4. I downloaded and installed Linux Mint 'Gloria' Main (32-bit) and my first impression is it's like the

Re: [CGUYS] Linux on PPC (was Linux Mint)

2009-10-19 Thread Stephen Brownfield
My hacker machine is a Powerbook G3. I currently am running Fedora 10 on it. Let me know if you have any other recommendations of Linux to run on it. Steve Mark A. Metz wrote: This message seemed to have been eaten by Thunderbird on my MBP so I'll try again. Thanks for the info. on

Re: [CGUYS] Web Cam, Microphone recommendations

2009-10-19 Thread b_s-wilk
Agreed. However, if you have a DV camcorder to use as a web cam, you'll look more fabulous than with the cheapo web cam. Don't run out and buy one just for the web. The cheaper camera might be better because it has terrible resolution, thus will use less bandwidth. You have to RTFM for the