Re: [CGUYS] The Cloud stole her data...
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Does she have local backups? Oh, yes. She has all that deleted data. She is just quite annoyed about having to restore it on her Classmates site and does not understand why or how Classmates decided which of her images to retain and which to delete. I'll have to ask her if she ever contacted them for an explanation. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
What is a WFB? R On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 16:28 -0700, mike wrote: Um..yeah. Once again he's talking without looking. Technically a 'wfb' if you can find one, can run the magic mouse. Drivers are out there. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: As to the mouse click thing I'm on the fence. I've gone through more mice then I can remember. Is electronic stuff more reliable then physical stuff? You know, little springs and clips and etc.? They all die sooner or later. I'm guessing the Magic Mouse is mostly electronic based. I have used one. It really is a quantum leap in usability. WFBs can continue to cling to their keyboards. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
Windows Fan Bois Thank you, Mark Snyder IdM/Provisioning Identity Access Management 703.883-8365 -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:03 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse What is a WFB? R On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 16:28 -0700, mike wrote: Um..yeah. Once again he's talking without looking. Technically a 'wfb' if you can find one, can run the magic mouse. Drivers are out there. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: As to the mouse click thing I'm on the fence. I've gone through more mice then I can remember. Is electronic stuff more reliable then physical stuff? You know, little springs and clips and etc.? They all die sooner or later. I'm guessing the Magic Mouse is mostly electronic based. I have used one. It really is a quantum leap in usability. WFBs can continue to cling to their keyboards. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
Quoting Rob robfl...@ix.netcom.com: What is a WFB? Anybody that doesn't agree with Tom. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!
On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro (after activating the Windows firewall). So far, things are better - loading web pages and documents. FF still seems a little sluggish at times, with IE being somewhat faster. Don't you have a router which provides you with a firewall? Hardware firewalls are safer and more efficient. You only need a software firewall if you are on a local network that has untrusted computers on it (e.g. teenagers with PCs sharing your network with you). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The Cloud stole her data...
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:36 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, yes. She has all that deleted data. She is just quite annoyed about having to restore it on her Classmates site and does not understand why or how Classmates decided which of her images to retain and which to delete. I'll have to ask her if she ever contacted them for an explanation. Have you checked the service agreement? Some sites have free and pay plans with different limits. I just let my Flickr Pro account expire since Yahoo is now a vassal of M$. So I have now lost access to all but my most recent uploads. The photos are still on Flickr and accessible via direct link, but invisible to me when I log in. They claim they will not delete them and access will be restored if I pay up. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The Cloud stole her data...
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:02 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Have you checked the service agreement? Some sites have free and pay plans with different limits. I dunno if she has taken a look at the service agreement or not. It may be one of those essentially indecipherable legalistic documents that requires the aid of a lawyer to interpret. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files?
Anyone know of a PDF redaction utility that works? E.g., one chooses (selects) a rectangle to redact, and the execute command replaces all pixels in the rectangle with white, in all layers, and deletes any accompanying text data (i.e., that which provides text searchability / copyability)? Does this capability exist somewhere in Adobe Acrobat? (basic? Professional?). If so, where does one find it? Third party application/utility? It should be equally able to redact text and graphics/pictures. One that really does the job, even if the process is more complicated than I have presumed in the above query? TIA Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] How do I renew my domain?
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:32 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 18, 2009, at 7:50 AM, Marcio wrote: Thanks to both of you, each one in his own way and sorry for the misunderstandings. But to this date I have this Google Blogg with a domain that is good until Feb 13 and I am not sure if the domain will be renewed automatically, if Google will send me a notice to renew, or whatever. Again, you are not registered with Google. You are registered with GoDaddy. I am unaware that Google even offers that service. Be careful not to miss your renewal date as GoDaddy will charge you a big fee to get your registration back. Google does offer the service - in partnership with GoDaddy (or at least they do with the Google Apps service - and I assume they do with their blogging service too). They do say that the registration is with GoDaddy, although people who are unfamiliar with the domain registration process may not catch that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not was: The Cloud stole her data...
This is a very misleading subject line, as we have no evidence or indication that this data was stored in a cloud. Thus we also have no evidence it was a failure of cloud storage that caused information loss. I just worry a couple of the luddites on the list will actually reference this event in the future. Remember that poor lady that lost her entire classmates.com account to a cloud?. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not was: The Cloud stole her data...
It is in realty loosing your data to a data aggregator. Classmates.com gets data in from every classmate that registers and then aggregates that date for everyone to see. They are a for profit company wanting you to register and pay them money for all this stuff to be seen. The cloud is more accurately something like drop box, carbonite etc type places where you are storing your personnel data off site with a cloud (Remote) storage vendor. Classmates has always been a for profit entity that wants you to register and use them tor each classmates from schools. I wonder what would happen if all of the sudden Face book started charging for storage of all those neat and nifty photos? Stewart At 11:10 AM 12/9/2009, you wrote: This is a very misleading subject line, as we have no evidence or indication that this data was stored in a cloud. Thus we also have no evidence it was a failure of cloud storage that caused information loss. I just worry a couple of the luddites on the list will actually reference this event in the future. Remember that poor lady that lost her entire classmates.com account to a cloud?. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files?
I have not found one, per se. What I do is redact using Adobe and then print (not save as) to PDF, which then makes the PDF as redacted. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Fred Holmes Sent: 12/09/2009 10:52 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files? Anyone know of a PDF redaction utility that works? E.g., one chooses (selects) a rectangle to redact, and the execute command replaces all pixels in the rectangle with white, in all layers, and deletes any accompanying text data (i.e., that which provides text searchability / copyability)? Does this capability exist somewhere in Adobe Acrobat? (basic? Professional?). If so, where does one find it? Third party application/utility? It should be equally able to redact text and graphics/pictures. One that really does the job, even if the process is more complicated than I have presumed in the above query? TIA Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:06 PM, mike wrote: http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2009/11/14588/ Looks good. Oh joy! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files?
On Dec 9, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: Anyone know of a PDF redaction utility that works? E.g., one chooses (selects) a rectangle to redact, and the execute command replaces all pixels in the rectangle with white, in all layers, and deletes any accompanying text data (i.e., that which provides text searchability / copyability)? Does this capability exist somewhere in Adobe Acrobat? (basic? Professional?). If so, where does one find it? Third party application/utility? Adobe Acrobat CS4. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files?
On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: I have not found one, per se. What I do is redact using Adobe and then print (not save as) to PDF, which then makes the PDF as redacted. Details here... http://blogs.adobe.com/acrolaw/2006/10/acrobat_8_new_f_1.html Acrobat 8 Professional now make many of the dangers and workarounds moot, so this is a welcome tool for the legal market. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] The reason for all the agita (Was: Re: [CGUYS] Speaking of 2.5 drives. . .)
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:06:37 -0500, Tony B wrote: If you don't use add-ons, what's the point of using Firefox? You may Umm. Because? -- R:\katan - SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not was: The Cloud stole her data...
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: This is a very misleading subject line, as we have no evidence or indication that this data was stored in a cloud. Thus we also have no evidence it was a failure of cloud storage that caused information loss. I just worry a couple of the luddites on the list will actually reference this event in the future. Remember that poor lady that lost her entire classmates.com account to a cloud?. First off, it was never said that any entire Classmates.com account was lost. It was only noted that some data that was deposited at and accessed by users of Classmates.com disappeared. What do you mean by the phrase evidence or indication that this data was stored in a cloud? Do you think either I or she was lying about this situation? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!
Some like to run outgoing firewalls to be...extra careful. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:05 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro (after activating the Windows firewall). So far, things are better - loading web pages and documents. FF still seems a little sluggish at times, with IE being somewhat faster. Don't you have a router which provides you with a firewall? Hardware firewalls are safer and more efficient. You only need a software firewall if you are on a local network that has untrusted computers on it (e.g. teenagers with PCs sharing your network with you). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
That is more accurate since Tom has called known mac users 'WFBs'. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting Rob robfl...@ix.netcom.com: What is a WFB? Anybody that doesn't agree with Tom. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files?
My method takes much less time than that one. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of tjpa Sent: 12/09/2009 12:39 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files? On Dec 9, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. wrote: I have not found one, per se. What I do is redact using Adobe and then print (not save as) to PDF, which then makes the PDF as redacted. Details here... http://blogs.adobe.com/acrolaw/2006/10/acrobat_8_new_f_1.html Acrobat 8 Professional now make many of the dangers and workarounds moot, so this is a welcome tool for the legal market. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] AT$T says it's customers need to be educated, stops short of opening re-education camps.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9CFS57G0show_article=1 We need to educate the customer ... We've got to get them to understand what represents a megabyte of data, de la Vega said. We're improving all our systems to let consumers get real-time information on their data usage. That's a quote from AT$T, for some reason I'm willing to be it's iphone customers are the only ones that DO know what a megabyte is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!
Now try uninstalling FF and reinstall it and see if there is yet more improvement. db Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro (after activating the Windows firewall). So far, things are better - loading web pages and documents. FF still seems a little sluggish at times, with IE being somewhat faster. Thanks Randall On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 12:05 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: Yes, Uninstall Zone Alarm Pro completely. I think you are going to find that was the problem. Ever so often anybody's updates can and will break things and security software has deeper hooks into your machine than any other besides the OS itself. If it solves the problem, contact ZA support and let them tell you how to fix it. You might have to go back to the previous version and don't do updates until they fix the problem. db * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!
NAT SPI router's firewall's are not so very difficult to defeat and they functionally offer 0 protection the first time someone logs a laptop on to your router. (which of course no one thinks of at the moment they are logging on...) Good Security is provided by layers of protection so that you don't have a single failure point. Unfortunately software ... like everything else in life ... screws up so now and then. So you have to deal with it / fix it. As is apparently the case with this Zone Alarm / Firefox? issue... db mike wrote: Some like to run outgoing firewalls to be...extra careful. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:05 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro (after activating the Windows firewall). So far, things are better - loading web pages and documents. FF still seems a little sluggish at times, with IE being somewhat faster. Don't you have a router which provides you with a firewall? Hardware firewalls are safer and more efficient. You only need a software firewall if you are on a local network that has untrusted computers on it (e.g. teenagers with PCs sharing your network with you). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not
No. You have misinterpreted my point completely. I am unfamiliar with what was lost because as soon as I saw it was a question about classmates.com I knew I know nothing about them so I stopped reading. Would that more people on this list did the same! Anyway, after the thread got bumped for a few days I just thought I would comment on the subject header, and point out that we really don't know if classmates.com *uses* cloud storage. Thus the topic header is very inaccurate and maybe very misleading. Note that I started a new thread about the header; this topic is not actually about that situation at all; rather, it's more about accurate subject: lines. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:46 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean by the phrase evidence or indication that this data was stored in a cloud? Do you think either I or she was lying about this situation? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!
On Dec 9, 2009, at 2:25 PM, db wrote: Good Security is provided by layers of protection so that you don't have a single failure point. I'm so, so glad to be using a Mac. I actually have time to do productive work on my computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, after the thread got bumped for a few days I just thought I would comment on the subject header, and point out that we really don't know if classmates.com *uses* cloud storage. Okay. However, Classmates.com, being accessible by users only by way of the internet is, in fact, in and of the cloud, is it not? I stand ready to be corrected. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not
In that it is a remote server administrated by someone other than you yes. Stewart At 01:50 PM 12/9/2009, you wrote: Okay. However, Classmates.com, being accessible by users only by way of the internet is, in fact, in and of the cloud, is it not? I stand ready to be corrected. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not
No, it most certainly is not. Thanks for helping to clarify. Word definitions change, but generally the cloud refers to a bunch of computers connected via network where your data is kept. It also implies that there's no way of finding a specific copy of your data on one hard drive; you really don't know where it is. Thus, your POP or IMAP email account at your ISP is probably not in the cloud, as it exists on one hard drive somewhere. The Gmail you access via the web interface probably is in a cloud, but we can only surmise that because we think Google uses cloud storage. But for many things we have to use the words maybe and probably because we really don't know. Like the classmates.com example. Who the heck knows if they use cloud storage? On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:50 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Okay. However, Classmates.com, being accessible by users only by way of the internet is, in fact, in and of the cloud, is it not? I stand ready to be corrected. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not
No, data on a remote server is definitely *not* in a cloud. I mean, my website is on a remote server which is on a shared host so I don't administer the server. But if I FTP a file to it, I haven't put the file in a cloud. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: In that it is a remote server administrated by someone other than you yes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files?
From this morning's Washington Post article: officials said that the manual was posted online in a redacted form on a federal procurement Web site, but that the digital redactions were inadequate. They allowed computer users to recover blacked-out passages by copying and pasting them into a new document or an e-mail. http://tinyurl.com/ygyna96 Richard P. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. acker...@astrecg.com wrote: I have not found one, per se. What I do is redact using Adobe and then print (not save as) to PDF, which then makes the PDF as redacted. Eschew Obfuscation This is a reply from: Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A. Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization 703.548.1343 voice 703.783.1340 fax From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we are YOUR adjuvancy -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Fred Holmes Sent: 12/09/2009 10:52 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] Redacting PDF document files? Anyone know of a PDF redaction utility that works? E.g., one chooses (selects) a rectangle to redact, and the execute command replaces all pixels in the rectangle with white, in all layers, and deletes any accompanying text data (i.e., that which provides text searchability / copyability)? Does this capability exist somewhere in Adobe Acrobat? (basic? Professional?). If so, where does one find it? Third party application/utility? It should be equally able to redact text and graphics/pictures. One that really does the job, even if the process is more complicated than I have presumed in the above query? TIA Fred Holmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not
Seems a distinction without a difference. Or at very list the splitting of very fine hairs. How is it your website is not in the cloud but gmail is? What is the difference? I can download an app that basically allows me to FTP files to my gmail account...when I run this app does that mean it is no longer in the cloud? I'd say being in the cloud is anything you don't have physical access to. If you can't go and get that hard drive...it's the cloud regardless of if you can FTP to it or not. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: No, data on a remote server is definitely *not* in a cloud. I mean, my website is on a remote server which is on a shared host so I don't administer the server. But if I FTP a file to it, I haven't put the file in a cloud. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: In that it is a remote server administrated by someone other than you yes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Waking from sleep
I am seeing a relatively new Windows 7 ad that touts how quickly a computer can awaken from sleep mode under the new OS. In the ad, this awakening issue appears to be such a big deal that Toshiba, along with MS I suppose, flies a user all the way fprm the United States to Japan just to show her that her computer, under W7, will quickly jump back to life after sleeping. I do not use Windows, and my computer is ready to work about two seconds after waking from sleep. I know nothing of waking from sleep mode under versions of Windows prior to the latest release. Was there some issue or problem that was so great as to offset the time and expense involved in this ad in pointing out how fast W7 can awaken itself? I do not recall ever reading or hearing anything about issues of recovering from sleep mode under Windows, but I guess there was. Perhaps someone can enlighten me. At my place of work, I have often asked folks there who use the Windows computers in the store why they do not either put the computers to sleep when not being used and/or have the drives spin down when no activity is required. I have never really gotten an answer, but perhaps that merely indicates issues that I was never made aware of. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not
First, remember I pointed out I'm not completely sure if gmail via the web is cloud-stored or not. Certainly if you use POP with gmail it's not cloud. But now I think we're all on the same page. Your revised definition below is in line with my own. I could drive to my host and physically take the hard drive with my website on it. Thus, not in the cloud. A Mozy backup doesn't exist on a single drive, thus it *is* cloud storage. I'd say being in the cloud is anything you don't have physical access to. If you can't go and get that hard drive...it's the cloud regardless of if you can FTP to it or not. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
Sounds like more MS bad advertising ideas...make a problem that wasn't really a problem seem like it's been fixed. Who knows, the only time I've seen this issue is either when malware etc is on the machine or in network situations where the admin has written bad scripts that run on login. Otherwise, my machine is ready before my monitor wakes up from sleep. I know this because one of my monitors wakes up faster then the other. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:55 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: I am seeing a relatively new Windows 7 ad that touts how quickly a computer can awaken from sleep mode under the new OS. In the ad, this awakening issue appears to be such a big deal that Toshiba, along with MS I suppose, flies a user all the way fprm the United States to Japan just to show her that her computer, under W7, will quickly jump back to life after sleeping. I do not use Windows, and my computer is ready to work about two seconds after waking from sleep. I know nothing of waking from sleep mode under versions of Windows prior to the latest release. Was there some issue or problem that was so great as to offset the time and expense involved in this ad in pointing out how fast W7 can awaken itself? I do not recall ever reading or hearing anything about issues of recovering from sleep mode under Windows, but I guess there was. Perhaps someone can enlighten me. At my place of work, I have often asked folks there who use the Windows computers in the store why they do not either put the computers to sleep when not being used and/or have the drives spin down when no activity is required. I have never really gotten an answer, but perhaps that merely indicates issues that I was never made aware of. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not
So your host will let you walk into their server room and physically remove the HD? On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: First, remember I pointed out I'm not completely sure if gmail via the web is cloud-stored or not. Certainly if you use POP with gmail it's not cloud. But now I think we're all on the same page. Your revised definition below is in line with my own. I could drive to my host and physically take the hard drive with my website on it. Thus, not in the cloud. A Mozy backup doesn't exist on a single drive, thus it *is* cloud storage. I'd say being in the cloud is anything you don't have physical access to. If you can't go and get that hard drive...it's the cloud regardless of if you can FTP to it or not. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not
The cloud means you really don't know where it is. If your data is anywhere nebulous it is in the cloud. If you can't tell me where the drive is physically located- it is in the cloud. There is very little I could tell where the server is and I mostly don't care where it is. It doesn't matter who controls your access to the data- google, Classmates, Yahoo!, Mozy, Amazon just that you don't have direct control of the servers. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:35 PM, mike wrote: Sounds like more MS bad advertising ideas...make a problem that wasn't really a problem seem like it's been fixed. Some companies will say absolutely anything to get the rubes to part with their dollars. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not
I suppose, if I paid them enough. It's certainly *possible*, if somewhat unlikely. Unlike driving over to Carbonite and trying to take a hard drive with your backup on it. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:36 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: So your host will let you walk into their server room and physically remove the HD? On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: First, remember I pointed out I'm not completely sure if gmail via the web is cloud-stored or not. Certainly if you use POP with gmail it's not cloud. But now I think we're all on the same page. Your revised definition below is in line with my own. I could drive to my host and physically take the hard drive with my website on it. Thus, not in the cloud. A Mozy backup doesn't exist on a single drive, thus it *is* cloud storage. I'd say being in the cloud is anything you don't have physical access to. If you can't go and get that hard drive...it's the cloud regardless of if you can FTP to it or not. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
Yeah this one is really odd. The ad campaign with the guy talking about running 7 on his laptop and his home computer and his kids laptop and they all share the media together without any problems is far better. This one, is just weird. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:47 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:35 PM, mike wrote: Sounds like more MS bad advertising ideas...make a problem that wasn't really a problem seem like it's been fixed. Some companies will say absolutely anything to get the rubes to part with their dollars. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 4:40 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: The cloud means you really don't know where it is. If your data is anywhere nebulous it is in the cloud. If you can't tell me where the drive is physically located- it is in the cloud. There is very little I could tell where the server is and I mostly don't care where it is. It doesn't matter who controls your access to the data- google, Classmates, Yahoo!, Mozy, Amazon just that you don't have direct control of the servers. For whatever it is worth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives
How can FireWire be superior to eSata? I thought eSata made your external essentially the same as one installed inside the case. - Original Message From: Reid Katan ka...@his.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 1:12:35 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives Quoting b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es: FireWire is far superior to USB and eSATA, but if you don't know about it or don't have FW peripherals or video cameras, you won't demand the best and will be stuck with the usual L.C.D. if Apple decides to discontinue FW in the future. The one advantage I've noticed for FireWire is that, on my iBook, it spun down the drive after a certain time of inactivity. I never noticed that (with the same drive) on my Windows machines with USB. I don't know if it's an OS or FW/USB thing or what, but it sure would be nice to have them spin down if I'm not using them for a while. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Paul Meyer wrote: How can FireWire be superior to eSata? I thought eSata made your external essentially the same as one installed inside the case. SATA, eSATA, PATA, USB all depend on the constant attention of the CPU for their operation. With SCSI and FireWire the CPU issues a command and it is carried out without further intervention by the CPU. Just one more example of the Apple way vs the PC way. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] A Tale of Two Hard Drives: Apple's Secret Wea pon?
I bought Cyberpower a number of years ago and am gratified to hear they are still in business. I once bought a Mac mini and though it is a nice little machine, I did resent the hard sell to sign up for Apple support plan (I don't consider that an anectdote because it undoubtedly reflects a company policy - imho). I need to choose a settop and thought about a mini, but then checked out System76 for a linux machine. The used to have a mini competitor (same form factor) and I was disappointed to see it removed from the product line-up. They did have a small form factor box that was obviously a set-top (Meerkat Ion, the Meerkat is even cheaper). It comes installed with Ubuntu and it is a really sweet machined. Souped up with 4GB and as 320G hd it came in at the starting price for a mini and has a broad array of ports for media.(HDMI, AVI, DVI, 6 usb, esata) It has worked great for general uses (haven't tried development, and am not interested in gaming - bought an PS2 cheap for the kids to that purpose). Firefox works so much better under Ubuntu than Windows. I am stoked. The only things I miss from the mini are the remote (though I bought a streamzap which I have yet to install though a wireless kbd-mouse I might prefer) and then theres the issue of iTunes and my downloaded tv shows. I am going to try to see how intunes on XP under VMWARE works as a solution. If it is does, absolutely no regrets. It is going to be my recommendation for the next grandma machine someone solicits. - Original Message From: mike xha...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Sun, November 29, 2009 7:18:54 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] A Tale of Two Hard Drives: Apple's Secret Wea pon? The cyberpower I mentioned does audio also thru the port. Something also to keep in mind, as of now and any time in the future, you can't play 1080p content from any mac unless you've ripped it from another source. Friend of mine just built a small rig for behind his new 1080p monitor in the living room, blu ray reader/burner, HDMI out, full surround sound. All for around 600 bux. As I said it depends on the job and the customer, to believe any one brand/machine is right for everyone is asinine. On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Check the HDMI output of the computer. My system at home has HDMI but it is video only. No Audio. So I use a DVI-HDMI cable. If the system puts out HDMI to include Audio the video device would either have to have built in speakers, or a splitter with audio cables. Most computers (Laptops) are putting out Video only on an HDMI output as it is smaller, and more easily mounted onto a laptop board than a DVI port. Stewart At 05:36 PM 11/29/2009, you wrote: Yeah, I thought about this when I sent the email, I was properly corrected. There is the point though that HDMI carries surround sound audio, so you could drive a big screen tv with this single cord as well as surround sound. So if you are one that is into say watching movies this connector would be much handier. Does the macbook pro output digital surround sound? I think it does. So two cables, and adapter will do it on the macbook. Single cable no adapter if you have HDMI. Six of one, half dozen... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Android feedback
Recently got a G1 and returned it for a Cliq (much more usable with navigation keys and a better keyboard). How are people feeling about their android phones? I really am glad I have an alternative to the touch screen and the apps have been really cool so far. Is that what iPhone people feel? - Original Message From: mike xha...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 11:27:48 PM Subject: [CGUYS] a twofer update http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/03/mactracker_gets_apple_images/ Apple's App Store police have again exhibited a brush with common sense, and allowed another iPhone app to display previously forbidden images of Cupertino hardware. Check out the pics in the link...Apple wasn't going to allow images of it's own products in an app celebrating...it's own products. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/03/ms_google_bribes_nixed/ The title says it all, our furor over so called ethics must have swayed them...will Tom now say MS is the bastion of ethical goodness, or are they still just neomicrosoftians? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Android feedback
I've had no regrets with my android phone, got the hero, no keyboard and it's great. I've not been wanting for apps in the least, everything I've gone looking for, I've found. There are a couple things missing like a good sync app for it, but the phone will mount as a drive and any music and pics you load on the internal card show up in the music app or photo app automatically. So I give up a clean sync with the bloated itunes, but in return I get unlimited storage with being able to add SDHC cards. 16 gigs is a lot of room really...till I start downloading podcasts etc, then it seems to fill up. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Paul Meyer paulj...@yahoo.com wrote: Recently got a G1 and returned it for a Cliq (much more usable with navigation keys and a better keyboard). How are people feeling about their android phones? I really am glad I have an alternative to the touch screen and the apps have been really cool so far. Is that what iPhone people feel? - Original Message From: mike xha...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 11:27:48 PM Subject: [CGUYS] a twofer update http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/03/mactracker_gets_apple_images/ Apple's App Store police have again exhibited a brush with common sense, and allowed another iPhone app to display previously forbidden images of Cupertino hardware. Check out the pics in the link...Apple wasn't going to allow images of it's own products in an app celebrating...it's own products. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/03/ms_google_bribes_nixed/ The title says it all, our furor over so called ethics must have swayed them...will Tom now say MS is the bastion of ethical goodness, or are they still just neomicrosoftians? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives
One more example of Tom, being...Tom. It also depends on the quality of the controller, you can get cheap esata controllers that are slower, or good ones that blaze. Has nothing to do with apple or pc. Different interfaces for different jobs. Note that Apple and PC's both use USB, SATA..FW. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:26 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Paul Meyer wrote: How can FireWire be superior to eSata? I thought eSata made your external essentially the same as one installed inside the case. SATA, eSATA, PATA, USB all depend on the constant attention of the CPU for their operation. With SCSI and FireWire the CPU issues a command and it is carried out without further intervention by the CPU. Just one more example of the Apple way vs the PC way. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!
No, don't have a router and am only user on this computer. So no need for any firewall? On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro (after activating the Windows firewall). So far, things are better - loading web pages and documents. FF still seems a little sluggish at times, with IE being somewhat faster. Don't you have a router which provides you with a firewall? Hardware firewalls are safer and more efficient. You only need a software firewall if you are on a local network that has untrusted computers on it (e.g. teenagers with PCs sharing your network with you). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
Tom, Pardon the ignorant question, is there a direct channel from the controller to the hard drive? Otherwise, you bottlenecks somewhere in the pipe? -PJM - Original Message From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 9:32:20 AM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what? On Nov 17, 2009, at 7:49 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for answering my questions. Your usage of eSata is a good example of when high rates of data transfer can be of note. My sole point was that, for the most part in daily computer use, it isn't really going to matter or be noticeable. It also demonstrated that WFBs have a tenuous grasp on technology. Why am I not surprised? The transfer rate for the latest FireWire and eSATA versions don't matter much because both are high enough to not be creating the data-transfer bottleneck. That is why faster versions of these standards have been proposed BUT NOT IMPLEMENTED. It would be a waste of effort to do so. If anybody bothered to look at the charts on tomshardware that I linked to they would have seen both FireWire and eSATA drives in mixed order at the top of the charts. This amply demonstrates that FireWire vs eSATA does not matter. Other parts of the data channel are what is limiting the data rate. One example. Both FireWire and SCSI control the data flow in hardware. ATA and eSATA have the CPU managing the data transfer. So FireWire and SCSI can maintain a high data rate irrespective of what is happening in the CPU and ATA and eSATA can't. That may account for the inconsistent eSATA results that were observed. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Implementation Note On RAID
Not that I'm encouraging anyone to use RAID -- I think it is an obsolete technology -- but if you insist, you should know this... Detailed info from Western Digital on the difference between their consumer/desktop hard drives and enterprise drives commonly used in RAID applications... Question: What is the difference between Desktop edition and RAID (Enterprise) edition hard drives? Answer: Western Digital manufactures desktop edition hard drives and RAID Edition hard drives. Each type of hard drive is designed to work specifically in either a desktop computer environment or a demanding enterprise environment. If you install and use a desktop edition hard drive connected to a RAID controller, the drive may not work correctly unless jointly qualified by an enterprise OEM. This is caused by the normal error recovery procedure that a desktop edition hard drive uses. When an error is found on a desktop edition hard drive, the drive will enter into a deep recovery cycle to attempt to repair the error, recover the data from the problematic area, and then reallocate a dedicated area to replace the problematic area. This process can take up to 2 minutes depending on the severity of the issue. Most RAID controllers allow a very short amount of time for a hard drive to recover from an error. If a hard drive takes too long to complete this process, the drive will be dropped from the RAID array. Most RAID controllers allow from 7 to 15 seconds for error recovery before dropping a hard drive from an array. Western Digital does not recommend installing desktop edition hard drives in an enterprise environment (on a RAID controller). Western Digital RAID edition hard drives have a feature called TLER (Time Limited Error Recovery) which stops the hard drive from entering into a deep recovery cycle. The hard drive will only spend 7 seconds to attempt to recover. This means that the hard drive will not be dropped from a RAID array. Though TLER is designed for RAID environments, it is fully compatible and will not be detrimental when used in non-RAID environments. http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/harddrives/index.html#d19nov2009 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:51 PM, mike wrote: Note that Apple and PC's both use USB, SATA..FW. Yes, even Apple can't resist the industry's race to the bottom. That does not mean that those of us who can tell the difference have to like it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!
On Dec 9, 2009, at 8:02 PM, Ranbo wrote: No, don't have a router and am only user on this computer. So no need for any firewall? You probably do have a router. The box between your computer and the outside is probably a router. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Borrowing the Z OS from M$ and the design from Apple gets us what?
On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Paul Meyer wrote: Pardon the ignorant question, is there a direct channel from the controller to the hard drive? Otherwise, you bottlenecks somewhere in the pipe? That would be an incorrect assumption. The FireWire controller usually talks to a SATA or PATA interface on the drive, but it is the FireWire controller that runs the show. The computer can't see past the FireWire controller. This demonstrates very well how one goes wrong by just looking at transfer rates. SATA or PATA are plenty fast, but it is the CPU that slows the data transfer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Implementation Note On RAID
Another post from a month ago that just arrived in my in box. Crap! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation - help!
In my opinion it is a bad idea to be without a software firewall on your computer. The possibilities of a successful exploit and the cost of recovery are too great. Fly without that net if you want... but don't complain if you hit the ground hard... db db Ranbo wrote: No, don't have a router and am only user on this computer. So no need for any firewall? On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled Zone Alarm Pro (after activating the Windows firewall). So far, things are better - loading web pages and documents. FF still seems a little sluggish at times, with IE being somewhat faster. Don't you have a router which provides you with a firewall? Hardware firewalls are safer and more efficient. You only need a software firewall if you are on a local network that has untrusted computers on it (e.g. teenagers with PCs sharing your network with you). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Android feedback
OK ...I just went through this. I looked at the Droid and brethren but settled on the Motorola Surf a3100 windows mobile 6.1 with a slick overlay with all those carousel features, etc. The app supply seems endless. It won my heart cuz it has not only quad 2g but triband 3g (850,1900,2100) which gets me Europe!! So far this thing is thrilling ...big screen 240x320 compared to my trusty old RazrV3 ...wasn't ready to throw down buck'n'a'half for a 32gb card so threw a 16gb microSDhc6 and it rocks ...has wifi,bt,gps ...selling globally $5-600 but got it offa ebay for $138 ...watch out, mine has full English rom but some sold there and elsewhere (amazon) have Chinese rom and I have NOT seen any flash files for it, so beware!! It's barely longer than the V3 and about same width and not thick ...has many input choices including transcriber which allows you to write cursively onscreen and it makes text ...swell!! -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Android feedback I've had no regrets with my android phone, got the hero, no keyboard and it's great. I've not been wanting for apps in the least, everything I've gone looking for, I've found. There are a couple things missing like a good sync app for it, but the phone will mount as a drive and any music and pics you load on the internal card show up in the music app or photo app automatically. So I give up a clean sync with the bloated itunes, but in return I get unlimited storage with being able to add SDHC cards. 16 gigs is a lot of room really...till I start downloading podcasts etc, then it seems to fill up. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Paul Meyer paulj...@yahoo.com wrote: Recently got a G1 and returned it for a Cliq (much more usable with navigation keys and a better keyboard). How are people feeling about their android phones? I really am glad I have an alternative to the touch screen and the apps have been really cool so far. Is that what iPhone people feel? - Original Message From: mike xha...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 11:27:48 PM Subject: [CGUYS] a twofer update http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/03/mactracker_gets_apple_images/ Apple's App Store police have again exhibited a brush with common sense, and allowed another iPhone app to display previously forbidden images of Cupertino hardware. Check out the pics in the link...Apple wasn't going to allow images of it's own products in an app celebrating...it's own products. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/03/ms_google_bribes_nixed/ The title says it all, our furor over so called ethics must have swayed them...will Tom now say MS is the bastion of ethical goodness, or are they still just neomicrosoftians? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] [portable] ntebook hard drives
Those of us who can tell the difference, use them for what they are intended. Other just complain as you do and act as if it matters. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:14 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 9, 2009, at 7:51 PM, mike wrote: Note that Apple and PC's both use USB, SATA..FW. Yes, even Apple can't resist the industry's race to the bottom. That does not mean that those of us who can tell the difference have to like it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
7 may wake quickly from sleep but I hear that in practical use it is even slower than Vista to boot... which because of battery life is what you will be facing regularly with a laptop. db mike wrote: Yeah this one is really odd. The ad campaign with the guy talking about running 7 on his laptop and his home computer and his kids laptop and they all share the media together without any problems is far better. This one, is just weird. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:47 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 9, 2009, at 4:35 PM, mike wrote: Sounds like more MS bad advertising ideas...make a problem that wasn't really a problem seem like it's been fixed. Some companies will say absolutely anything to get the rubes to part with their dollars. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Android feedback
so far so good with software for it ...speed is fantastic ...motorola overlay makes it great as the homescreen has a carousel that access everything ...I'm hooked!! I have had windowsCE devices for years (ipaq 3635, mobilepro770) and a palmIIIc which made me realize palm OS is a joke ...I love this fone and for the money it's worth every penny... we'll see if 6.5 comes out for it On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:05 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Well I'm glad you like windows mobile..you are probably one in a million. I used 6.1 on a HTC excaliber, the hardware was great, the software was meh at best. One of the issues was MS developed a smart phone edition and a PDA edition of WM, my phone could never decide which apps it would allow me install. I was never able to install much of anything on the thing. The price is killer...check out XDA developers to see if you can find a 6.5 ROM for it. Might be something to look at. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:44 PM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: OK ...I just went through this. I looked at the Droid and brethren but settled on the Motorola Surf a3100 windows mobile 6.1 with a slick overlay with all those carousel features, etc. The app supply seems endless. It won my heart cuz it has not only quad 2g but triband 3g (850,1900,2100) which gets me Europe!! So far this thing is thrilling ...big screen 240x320 compared to my trusty old RazrV3 ...wasn't ready to throw down buck'n'a'half for a 32gb card so threw a 16gb microSDhc6 and it rocks ...has wifi,bt,gps ...selling globally $5-600 but got it offa ebay for $138 ...watch out, mine has full English rom but some sold there and elsewhere (amazon) have Chinese rom and I have NOT seen any flash files for it, so beware!! It's barely longer than the V3 and about same width and not thick ...has many input choices including transcriber which allows you to write cursively onscreen and it makes text ...swell!! -- This is the end Beautiful friend This is the end My only friend, the end --TheDoors * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Android feedback
so far all is good, except vendor failed to give the 2gb microSDhc card which came with software, but on a website I found the installer it had and put it on ...included motonav but I am having trouble getting destinator maps recognized on it even using the patcher...gps works fine with google/bing but I want the full talking gps ...I will prevail !! On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:05 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Well I'm glad you like windows mobile..you are probably one in a million. I used 6.1 on a HTC excaliber, the hardware was great, the software was meh at best. One of the issues was MS developed a smart phone edition and a PDA edition of WM, my phone could never decide which apps it would allow me install. I was never able to install much of anything on the thing. The price is killer...check out XDA developers to see if you can find a 6.5 ROM for it. Might be something to look at. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:44 PM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: OK ...I just went through this. I looked at the Droid and brethren but settled on the Motorola Surf a3100 windows mobile 6.1 with a slick overlay with all those carousel features, etc. The app supply seems endless. It won my heart cuz it has not only quad 2g but triband 3g (850,1900,2100) which gets me Europe!! So far this thing is thrilling ...big screen 240x320 compared to my trusty old RazrV3 ...wasn't ready to throw down buck'n'a'half for a 32gb card so threw a 16gb microSDhc6 and it rocks ...has wifi,bt,gps ...selling globally $5-600 but got it offa ebay for $138 ...watch out, mine has full English rom but some sold there and elsewhere (amazon) have Chinese rom and I have NOT seen any flash files for it, so beware!! It's barely longer than the V3 and about same width and not thick ...has many input choices including transcriber which allows you to write cursively onscreen and it makes text ...swell!! -- This is the end Beautiful friend This is the end My only friend, the end --TheDoors * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Maybe, maybe not
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: Word definitions change, but generally the cloud refers to a bunch of computers connected via network where your data is kept. It also implies that there's no way of finding a specific copy of your data on one hard drive; you really don't know where it is. While I agree that definitions may change, I'm not entirely sure where you get this particular definition from or why it is particularly cloudlike. My understanding of both the usage and origin of the term stems from old system diagrams (usually done on powerpoint) where one would see lines connecting local workstations, local servers, etc, and one line going out to this big cloud labeled The Internet (with capital letters). If you were making the point that there was a remote server, you'd put that server on the other side of the Internet cloud. Originally this was radical and novel... now its commonplace enough that we omit the thought that theres something or something specific out there - we don't really care where or how its stored. It could be on a single server or not. The important part is that its out there and we don't care how or where. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Android feedback
The android is a both and phone including a full keypad. The Eris is a touch only. Those that have the Droid like it so far. Stewart At 06:44 PM 12/9/2009, you wrote: Recently got a G1 and returned it for a Cliq (much more usable with navigation keys and a better keyboard). How are people feeling about their android phones? I really am glad I have an alternative to the touch screen and the apps have been really cool so far. Is that what iPhone people feel? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Consternation over Computer Constipation (including Mac's) - help!
Yes, Apple's OS is solidly more productive in almost every way except its Finder/ Dock multitasking interface. It was revolutionary in the 80's... in the 21st century it's mediocre when compared to Windows/ Linux's windows functionality/ taskbar design. Work efficiency on an Apple decreases with direct proportion to the number of windows and projects you are working on simultaneously: * What's with having to scroll or expand your directory windows most of the time you do simple drill down lookups etc and inability to specifically direct exactly where you want a new folder created? * What's the usefulness of the Apple menu bar that morphs with each application and leaves apps running and consuming memory and file locking in place when you are done with the program but unknowingly only close the app window. You have to be an experienced user to avoid the complications unnecessarily and clumsily caused by the archaic menu bar design. * What's with having to stand on one foot and pat your tummy every time you want to find out what windows you have launched and where the heck they got off to? (Metaphor: Do we have to look in the glove box of our car in order to see what speed we are traveling, how much gas we have or even to see down the road?) Window's stupidly is now going out of its way to hide things too but at least with the OS you can turn those hiding behaviors off. * What's with the taskbar icons frequently getting knocked off the taskbar and going poof? * What's with not being able to access the bottom of your windows because the taskbar thinks you are talking to it. * What's with unmounting drives by throwing them into the trash? Who is going to figure that out if they don't know it already and/ or you can't figure out how to right click on the mounted icon in order to access context menus where ejects listed? * What's with taking decades to acknowledge that one button mice are primitive in usefulness and why hide the buttons now... is there some advantage in keeping their existence hidden and known only to those who know already? * What's with adding so much cool functionality to mouse pads that no one who doesn't know already what the various number of fingers and swipes and touch locations will do can even use or touch the mouse pads without unknowingly sending the computer's interface convulsively to who knows where and why? Should we have to read the manual before sitting down to use a Mac that has a mouse pad? * What's with cludging on all the new user interface and mousing tools as work-a-rounds to these above known issues that could just be solved by fixing Apple's menu and taskbar... the dashboard tools where most all computer users look for such functionalities. The essential Windows/ Linux windowing/taskbar design is elegantly efficient in its intuitive and straight forward use and operation. If you can't beat 'em, I say join 'em. As the inventors of so much GREAT digital technology, Apple has a TON to be prideful about but I think its (Steve Job's?) pridefullness really has unnecessarily gotten in the way in the above described ways. New invention is wonderful ... stubbornly cludging add-on work-a-round fixes while hanging on to outmoded designs in areas of basic necessity is not. I work with or on Macs all the time and I'd love to switch to a Mac as my personal workstation for all the well known reasons but I refuse to significantly slow down my complex IT work day to do so... If Apple comes out with a desktop interface alternative to Aqua or even a Dock alternative, someone please let me know... db tjpa wrote: On Dec 9, 2009, at 2:25 PM, db wrote: Good Security is provided by layers of protection so that you don't have a single failure point. I'm so, so glad to be using a Mac. I actually have time to do productive work on my computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
I'm not sure who you heard this from but it is not true. But then, Vista isn't slow to boot, so clearly this source is suspect. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: 7 may wake quickly from sleep but I hear that in practical use it is even slower than Vista to boot... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Waking from sleep
Part of the problem is how MS approaches touting the features. Part of it is haters who see 'windows 7 boots faster than vista' as not that 7 is faster but that vista is crap. Shockingly they don't look at Apple's advertising the same way, some will never satisfy, better to just ignore them, nod and smile when they start popping off. Computers aren't tools to use to get a job done to them, they are the alpha and omega, it is part of how they define themselves. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure who you heard this from but it is not true. But then, Vista isn't slow to boot, so clearly this source is suspect. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:07 PM, db db...@att.net wrote: 7 may wake quickly from sleep but I hear that in practical use it is even slower than Vista to boot... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
